In a message dated 11/6/2005 8:39:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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Proselytizing, as Mike McConnell argued brilliantly in
Rosenberger, is just a dirty word for persuasion, and persuasion is
at the heart of the Free Speech Clause. Christian students have as
In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:17:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So let’s
understand – the next kid that tells my 7 year old that we are going to hell,
which whether Rick agrees or not is always where that conversation goes, is
going to get a basic
In a message dated 11/6/2005 12:40:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While it
may not be acceptable at school, it seems to me it is based, in some part, on
the notion of fighting words, which is recognized in Free Speech jurisprudence
(admittedly in the context
I have a black belt in the game of go. Does that count? :)SteveOn Nov 7, 2005, at 8:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:17:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So let’s understand – the next kid that tells my 7 year old that we are going to hell,
In a message dated 11/7/05 8:48:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
but it doesn't change that Free Speech Doctrine so that words suddenly rise to the level of fighting words because select, fragilely constructed individuals, act as though words are likely to provoke an
James Maule wrote:
Ed, thanks for confirming my (where did I get them?) instincts. No
decision yet.
Judge Jones indicated that he'd like to have a ruling done by the end of
the year, which for the attorneys is a bit rushed. They have to file
closing briefs in two weeks, then revisions and
Title: Message
The press is reporting an IRS letter
to a church whose pastor gave an anti-war sermon on October 31, 2004. Link
below. Does anybody know of reports of similar letters to churches that
were supporting the President's campaign?
Title: Message
Does anyone know where one can find the text of
the letter? (Better yet would be to also find the text of the sermon,
though I'm not sure whether that's available.)
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He doesnt need to be told that none
of the foregoing is tantamount to the liturgy, whereas under EAA evangelical
Protestants can have in-school prayer services that strongly resemble their Sunday
services. Catholics cant do that.
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Title: Message
This is supposed to be the text of the sermon,
although I have had trouble making the link work. I'm sending it on
anyway, because the problem may be in my e-mail program and not in the
link.
This may be off topic, but what makes the
invitees the finest people?
From: Sanford Levinson
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Subject: RE: Social Notes from All
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I was engaging in poetic license!
sandy
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Subject: RE: Social Notes from All Over
This may be off topic, but what makes the invitees the finest
What's a scare quote?
What does anything below have to do with the tough and hard theological
questions, especially those that concern the church-sacrament system?
And what does anything below have to do with the problem at the center
of the anecdote, namely, if evangelical Protestant teaching
I have been out of town so I apologize for
inserting myself into the middle of this thread.
It seems to me that Ricks analogy
is clearly wrong and perhaps the reasons it is wrong can help explain
some of the differences in perspective on the list.
I would not be offended if I was
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If we may, Tom, Let's move away from what Alito may or may not have said
about Santa Fe and focus on C.H. v. Oliva -- where we know exactly what
he said.
Suppose in a first or second grade class, children drew pictures with
descriptions to be hung on the wall of the classroom. The class was
Say that we asked, if liberal teaching undermines conservative
beliefs, then why should conservatives encourage such teaching, and the
encourage[ment] was equal access to fora that are open to many other
speakers (recall that the issue has to do with religious speech in
schools where other
Doug, could you refer to the documents of the Second Vatican Council
that say that the Church should support facilitation of the teaching or
presentation in the public schools of doctrine antithetical to the
Catholic faith on the grounds that teaching any religion is better than
teaching no
I thought that we were talking about the United States? I was.
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From: Volokh, Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:24 PM
To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: non-disruptive speech ?
Well, Catholics, as I understand
Since this is relevant to the question of whether Protestants
are so unusual in proselytizing, I thought I'd take the liberty of
asking a theological question: Don't Catholics hope that more
non-Catholics become Catholics, and in fact take active steps to do so?
If so, then I don't see
We were, but I hadn't thought that Catholic theology
distinguished the U.S. from the Third World. If it's proper for
Catholics to spread their faith in Africa, I would have thought that it
would be proper here, too. Are Catholics completely uninterested in
converting others to
1. A Catholic has lost his or her way, if not his or here senses, if he
or she believes that acceptance of Jesus or objection to abortion is
deeper than the liturgy. See The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Part Two: The Celebration of the Christian Mystery, in particular
paragraph 1068, quoting
I've been hesitant to jump in as this seems to drift a bit off topic,
but given the invitation I'll add my perspective. I am a Catholic,
and was educated in Catholic schools and have represented Catholic
organizations for many years. But, I married a protestant and go to
Sunday services and
The Church's teachings on evangelization are clear up to a point. The
Catechism, quoting Lumen gentium, I believe, calls on Catholics to The
proclamation of Christ by word and the testimony of life. See
paragraph 905. That paragraph goes to say This witness of life ... is
not the sole element
Sam, I have not said that American Catholics feel threatened. Indeed, I
think that they don't, and that may turn out to be detrimental to the
Church. So on the question whether Catholics feel threatened, in point
of fact, you and I agree. We may disagree on the consequences of not
feeling
See my interlineations below (all in upper cae).
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From: Douglas Laycock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:49 PM
To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: RE: 500 years
Of course no document of Vatican II talks specifically
In a message dated 11/7/2005 1:46:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
press is reporting an IRS letter to a church whose pastor gave an anti-war
sermon on October 31, 2004. Link below. Does anybody know of
reports of similar letters to churches that were
In a message dated 11/7/2005 3:11:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Catholics can’t do that.
If there is a weakness to the EAA, this is probably where it lies.
The Act disadvantages students forming religious clubs in ways that are
different than other types of
Well, they can't have an
outside leader under the Equal Access Act. But after Good News Club v.
Milford Central School, they can have an outside leader under the First
Amendment if other clubs are permitted to have outside leaders.
They probably still can't have after-school mass,
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