Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Marty Lederman
Ireland!, of all places. 62 percent to 38, and in 42 of 43 districts. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/world/europe/ireland-gay-marriage-referendum.html ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options,

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Baer, Judith A
We shall overcome! Judy Baer Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Marty Lederman lederman.ma...@gmail.commailto:lederman.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Ireland!, of all places. 62 percent to 38, and in 42 of 43 districts.

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Michael Worley
I'll rest easier when out-of-wedlock childbearing is widely condemned worldwide as harmful to kids; when people acknowledge there are good arguments on both side of this difficult issue, and when the re-writing of a multitude of family laws is seen for the broad consequences that they

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Michael Worley
I understand many disagree with my concern about out-of-wedlock births. This apathy over my concern worries me, because without an acknowledgement of the importance of opposite-sex marriage to our society, the concerns shared by many who oppose same-sex marriage will be incorrectly seen as

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Baer, Judith A
Hey, you know what, Michael? Not everyone thinks that having only one parent is worse than not being born at all. JB Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Michael Worley mwor...@byulaw.netmailto:mwor...@byulaw.net wrote: I understand many disagree with my concern about

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Michael Worley
I never ever said that. To think it is an important role of government to encourage two-person parenting is not to assert one-person parenting is worse than not being born at all. My comments were misconstrued. They were meant to assert marriage's role in helping kids of opposite-sex couples

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2015-05-23 Thread Levinson, Sanford V
Will the Supreme Court follow the election returns? A bit more seriously, this is a tribute to the beneficent possibilities inherent in direct democracy. (Prop. 8 is not so Inspiring, but can there be any real doubt that there would be a different result today? Or, for that matter, that a

RE: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Finkelman, Paul
Dear Michael: when children have children it is a bad thing. That is true whether they are married or merely very young and forced into marriages. But out-of-Wedlock births is a very broad category. When my adult gay friends had children, twelve years ago, they could not be legally married

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Michael Worley
Professor Finkleman: We disagree on many fundamental levels, and this is an emotional thing for us both. You raise complex and interesting questions, but I have increasingly found it is hard to change minds on this issue, and lengthy debates only tend to polarize because of different assumptions

Re: Ireland

2015-05-23 Thread Paul Finkelman
Dear Mr. Worley: Your claim that pastors can do what they want is a non-starter.  We all know they can do that now, but it is the law that creates and protects the relationships of marriage in a complex society that is important.  If the law does not validate the marriage then one spouse