RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-12 Thread b...@jmcenter.org
: Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.edu Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Saturday, March 3, 2012, 8:26 AM This morning's story in the Times confirms the unreconstructed Texans theory. It looks like

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-07 Thread Marci Hamilton
So only those practices that are mandatory are relevant? Isn't that a centrality requirement? Marci On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Alan Armstrong alanarmstrong@verizon.net wrote: I think that is not relevant. I thought the Saturday afternoon/evening mass was for those who could not

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:32 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath The common sense is what is often lacking and with a sense of fairness and toleration. Apparently for the leaders of the TAPP common sense

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
, March 02, 2012 6:03 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath Today's first semi-final: Houston Beren 58, Dallas Covenant 46 -- final is after sundown tomorrow evening. Thanks, Doug. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Ed Darrell edarr

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I agree generally with Eugene's point--which I would generalize to just about every situation--that common sense, like many other such phrases (certainly including respect, or the rule of law) is too capacious

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
of Law From: vol...@law.ucla.edu To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:17:32 -0800 Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I wonder whether religious liberty is exactly the right term here, where we're talking about access to a privately provided

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Alan Armstrong
I think that is not relevant. I thought the Saturday afternoon/evening mass was for those who could not make it to church Sunday morning. An Orange County Register columnist, Frank Mickadeit, called it the slakers' mass. Alan Law Office of Alan Leigh Armstrong Office 18652 Florida St., Suite

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
I agree with Paul here, and with the TAPPs ultimate decision which they should have reached earlier. Rick seemed to imply that I and others might not agree with it so I wanted to clarify my comments As I said originally, I was asking the big picture question. These events have many moving

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Jean Dudley
game at Nolan Catholic High School. David From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Armstrong Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 4:51 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Paul Horwitz
To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:17:32 -0800 Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I wonder whether religious liberty is exactly the right term here, where we're talking about access to a privately provided program, and one that is hardly essential

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Marci Hamilton
] On Behalf Of Douglas Laycock Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:26 AM To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath This morning's story in the Times confirms the unreconstructed Texans theory. It looks like the conservative evangelical schools

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-06 Thread Marc Stern
Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath Here is a general question to take us back to the bigger picture. What should the rule for sports associations be in the future? Schedule tournaments and finals only Mon through Sunday with attention

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Rick Duncan
/ * From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Ira Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:03 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Scarberry, Mark
...@albanylaw.edu Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:32 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath The common sense is what is often lacking and with a sense of fairness and toleration. Apparently for the leaders of the TAPP common sense means everyone

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2012 22:47:38 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I speak about religious liberty at lots of CLEs for conservative Christian lawyers and law students, and I try to tell them that religious liberty

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu
. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -Original message- From: Alan Armstrong alanarmstrong@verizon.net To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2012 19:56:56 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath My understanding

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Paul Horwitz
I agree generally with Eugene's point--which I would generalize to just about every situation--that common sense, like many other such phrases (certainly including respect, or the rule of law) is too capacious a term to resolve most disputes. In this case, one would have to both understand

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Marci Hamilton
to reform --Dick Gaughan (from the song, Thomas Muir of Huntershill) --- On Fri, 3/2/12, Richard D. Friedman rdfrd...@umich.edu wrote: From: Richard D. Friedman rdfrd...@umich.edu Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Rick Duncan
Gaughan (from the song, Thomas Muir of Huntershill) --- On Sat, 3/3/12, Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.edu wrote: From: Douglas Laycock dlayc...@virginia.edu Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Date: Saturday

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Marci Hamilton
message- From: Rick Duncan nebraskalawp...@yahoo.com To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2012 22:47:38 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I speak about religious liberty at lots of CLEs for conservative

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
to be. Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Armstrong Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:55 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath My understanding

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Saperstein, David
Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I think that is not relevant. I thought the Saturday afternoon/evening mass was for those who could not make it to church Sunday morning. An Orange County Register columnist, Frank Mickadeit, called it the slakers' mass. Alan Law Office

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:33 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Cc: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I agree with Paul here, and with the TAPPs ultimate decision which they should have reached earlier. Rick seemed

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Volokh, Eugene
From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Brownstein [aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:33 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-04 Thread Alan Brownstein
Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I wonder whether religious liberty is exactly the right term here, where we're talking about access to a privately provided program, and one that is hardly essential for life or livelihood. The question isn't

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Richard D. Friedman
, March 02, 2012 6:03 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath Today's first semi-final: Houston Beren 58, Dallas Covenant 46 -- final is after sundown tomorrow evening. Thanks, Doug. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Ed Darrell edarr

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Alan Brownstein
A somewhat similar lawsuit was litigated by students attending the Portland Adventist Academy (and their parents) against the Oregon State Activities Association which is a state actor. After 8 years of litigation, the students succeeded in their state anti-discrimination claims. See Nakashima

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Douglas Laycock
Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath The TAPPS website, http://www.tapps.net/, indicates that they agreed to let Beren play when presented with the papers, before they were actually filed. But the lawyer who signed the complaint -- which included

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Marci Hamilton
Lots of Catholics go to Saturday evening mass. Relevant? On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Alan Armstrong alanarmstrong@verizon.net wrote: My understanding is that Jewish and 7th day adventists consider sabbath as going from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. I do not know of any

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Volokh, Eugene
...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:32 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath The common sense is what is often lacking and with a sense of fairness and toleration

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Rick Garnett
...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Finkelman, Paul paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu [paul.finkel...@albanylaw.edu] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:31 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath The common sense is what is often

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Marci Hamilton
:47:38 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I speak about religious liberty at lots of CLEs for conservative Christian lawyers and law students, and I try to tell them that religious liberty is a lot like Franklin's view of the American Revolution--We better all hang

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Richard D. Friedman
@lists.ucla.edureligionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2012 22:47:38 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath I speak about religious liberty at lots of CLEs for conservative Christian lawyers and law students, and I try to tell them that religious liberty is a lot like Franklin's view

RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-03 Thread Douglas Laycock
AM To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath This morning's story in the Times confirms the unreconstructed Texans theory. It looks like the conservative evangelical schools have taken control of this organization, and tolerance of diversity

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-02 Thread Douglas Laycock
, March 02, 2012 6:03 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath Today's first semi-final: Houston Beren 58, Dallas Covenant 46 -- final is after sundown tomorrow evening. Thanks, Doug. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Ed Darrell edarr

Re: Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

2012-03-02 Thread Ed Darrell
scheduled the game to fit it in. Good, good news. Ed Darrell Dallas From: Alan Brownstein aebrownst...@ucdavis.edu To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Fri, March 2, 2012 3:35:05 PM Subject: RE: Basketball tournaments