Re: Assaults on the England language/republican v. democracy

2005-07-22 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 7/22/2005 3:21:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Put another way, Republicans believe they have at least as good a claim asDemocrats to being committed to democratic principles; given their view thatDemocrats wish to use nondemocratic courts to

Re: Assaults on the England language/republican v. democracy

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Graber
For those interested, until 1939, not one majority opinion on the Supreme Court spoke of the United States as a democracy or had anything good to say about democracy (Brandeis did, but in concurring and dissenting opinions). The floodgates opened in 1939. MAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/22/05

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Rick Duncan
"Scarberry, Mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put another way, Republicans believe they have at least as good a claim asDemocrats to being committed to democratic principles; given their view thatDemocrats wish to use nondemocratic courts to overturn democratic decisionson matters such as abortion and

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Graber
May I suggest that this entire discussion could benefit from reading William Connolly on "essential contested concepts." Alas, there is no neutral definition of "democracy," "judicial activism," "moderate," etc. out there in large part because a good definition depends on resolution of

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Paul Finkelman
How would Rick's theory explain Republican support for decisions striking down parts of the Brady Bill (Printz), the Violence Against Women Act (Morrison), and law protecting kids from guns in schools (Lopez). Seems like Republicans were using the courts to defeat social policies they did not

Re: Assaults on the England language/republican v.democracy

2005-07-22 Thread Richard Dougherty
Mark: Do you have a particular case or series of cases in mind? I'd appreciate a cite. Thanks, Richard Dougherty Mark Graber wrote: For those interested, until 1939, not one majority opinion on the Supreme Court spoke of the United States as a democracy or had anything good to say about

Re: Assaults on the England language/republican v.democracy

2005-07-22 Thread Mark Graber
As always, I will be happy to send the relevant paper to all interested parties. it is forthcoming in an anthology from Oxford. MAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/22/05 10:34AM Mark: Do you have a particular case or series of cases in mind? I'd appreciate a cite. Thanks, Richard Dougherty Mark

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Rick Duncan
To answer Paul's question about Roe and the abortion liberty, I don't believe the Constitution even remotely speaks to a liberty to kill a child in the womb. So certainly Roe should be reversed and the issue left to the democratic branches. Would I, personally, support a

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Marc Stern
Rick runs together different ideas and political causes and uses a highly technical definition of theocracy to avoid grappling with difficult issues. Doing so makes it harder to identify areas of agreement and disagreement. 1.I dont know of anyone of consequence who says that religious

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/22/2005 10:20:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, what position do you have, Rick, on the desire of some Republicans to not merely reverse Roe, but declare that abortion violates the 14th Amendment and thus the many states which protect

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Rick Duncan
Mark Stern speaksof "rumblings from congress about protecting America's Christian heritage...by law." Is this a sign of a theocracy developing in Congress? Or merelyits concern that the Court has used the EC to cleanse the public square of an important part of America's culture? I am not sure

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Marc Stern
Twice within the last month Congressman Hostettler of Indiana has made comment son the House floor about preserving Americas Christian heritage. One comment came in debate over officers and chaplains proselytizing at the Air Force Academy and the other in defense of an amendment to the

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/22/2005 12:14:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With respect, Rick, no one is pushing 10 commandment displays to make a purely historic point about the role of Christianity in America. Those efforts are about the contemporary role of

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Sanford Levinson
Rick writes: To answer Paul's question about Roe and the abortion liberty, I don't believe the Constitution even remotely speaks to a liberty to kill a child in the womb. So certainly Roe should be reversed and the issue left to the democratic branches. Am I correct ininterpreting this

Re: inJohn Roberts' America.....

2005-07-22 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/22/2005 12:33:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure about this. Change the hypo a bit. Imagine no contrary federal law. Surely a state with a speed limit of 60 MPH cannot ban state citizens from going 70 MPH on out-of-state

Re: inJohn Roberts' America.....

2005-07-22 Thread Andrew Koppelman
The fact that I'm agreeing with Jim Henderson will doubtless be occasion for agonized soul-searching, prayer and fasting. I'm appalled by the idea of extraterritorial abortion bans. But there is a substantial argument that your home jurisdiction may have a right to govern your behavior even when

RE: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-22 Thread Newsom Michael
The answer to your first question is perfectly obvious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:50 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Subject: Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

Re: George Washington adding under God to the Presidential oath

2005-07-22 Thread Gene Garman
Sorry, but because I just recently began following this line of discussion would someone kindly inform me as to the meaning of the subject line which has "George Washington adding 'under God' to the Presidential oath." Or, is it merely a bit of humor? And, I hope my grammar is okay. Thanks.

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Newsom Michael
Anent homophobia: you left out the good stuff. People can believe whatever they want to (even if the beliefs are stupid, evil, or worse). But the problem is not one of belief, but rather one of action. If believing in traditional sexual morality means locking up gay people in jail, then, I

RE: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Newsom Michael
Actually the phrase is as much a sociological or cultural one as it is, in any real sense, doctrinal. To get the flavor of this read Will Herbergs Protestant-Catholic-Jew. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:46

Re: Civility versus Respect

2005-07-22 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 7/22/2005 2:42:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does this mean that if some people doesn’t respect you that they are, in your view, free to call you anything they want to? Can they call you a fundamentalist, or a homophobe, or bigot, and

RE: Civility versus Respect

2005-07-22 Thread Newsom Michael
Oh, I see. Democrats are on a par with the Chinese and the North Korean communists? Didnt you mention McCarthy in an earlier post? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:31 PM To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu

Re: Civility versus Respect

2005-07-22 Thread JMHACLJ
Actually, I responded to the mention by another of McCarthy. Another on the list responded to my use of the term Democrat Party by using the logical fallacy of the poisoned well; essentially, that post put it this way, "McCarthy used the term so you must be a modern day equivalent of

Re: Finding Uncertainty for the EC

2005-07-22 Thread Gene Garman
For anyone who is interested: Read Gene Garman's essay in the May/Jun 1999 issue of Liberty magazine. It documents Justice William H. Rehnquist's abuse of the Establishment Clause and its history. Click on the following url: http://www.libertymagazine.org/article/articleview/162/1/41

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Will Linden
At 09:29 AM 7/21/05 -0500, you wrote: I like the title of this thread Assaults on the England language, which suggests the grammatical argument for why it's wrong to say Democrat Party. But if the grammatical point is so strong, why do we I stole it from Russell Baker, who anticipated that

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-22 Thread Will Linden
At 10:37 AM 7/21/05 -0500, you wrote: The quibble over language in this string: If any of you want to see use of Xn in a sentence written by the Father of the Constitution you may click on the following link: I doubt that complainers would be appeased by the news that sometime, somewhere,