The wall is the central metaphor defining the meaning and work of the
Establishment Clause for many commentators including on this list. When
the government "gets away" with some emblematic behavior tinged with religious
connotations, the hue and cry of breach is predictable.
We are all
Jim Henderson, you are beyond disgusting. People are dying. They were gasping out their last breaths or cradling a loved one--a child, a mother or father--in distress as you wrote your post. Save your idelogical arguments for another time. I'm sorry, Eugene, but this is too much so don't bother to
I'm with Frances, in terms of the Establishment Clause
issue that Jim has raised.
In terms of the issue, this to me is just like the latitude
that Bill Marshall has argued should be granted regarding post-9/11 religious
observances.
To quote Bill's article, "The Limits of Secularism: Public
In Frances Paterson's defense, while this may be the place for the
noting that Henderson did, considerations of appropriate time are also
relevant. And just now, when we don't even know how many people have
died, haven't recovered their bodies, haven't even necessarily rescued all
the trapped,
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:48:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I know now what I always suspected. If I cried out to Jim Henderson for succor, he might well help me but one part of his mind would be thinking or at least considering if he could use my suffering to advance his agenda.
One might think that instead of spending time issuing calls for prayer, the
governor would focus on more down-to-earth matters. The call for prayers
also of course raises a different practial question. When I moved to Oklahoma
the state was in the middle of huge drought, with no rain for
I'm not sure there is anything the governor
could have done in the time it took to issue a call to prayer that wasn't
already being done. And in time of crisis, like 9/11 or Hurricane
Katrina or anything else of such a devastating magnitude, there are many
of us who find a call to prayer as
What the Establishment Clause in the abstract
means is one thing; whether as a practical matter any body would or should
enforce the maximum possible reading of the clause is something again. I have
often urged on the Jewish community some exercise of judgment over what issues
result in
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about the exact words government
officials use to respond to catastrophes, but Art makes a very legitimate
point here. It's not hard to come up with language that is inclusive.
When we face disasters as a people, and feel the need to speak as a
people,
Were there penalties in the past, they would have pre-dated the Establishment Clause, and so would not be relevant to EC litigation. Washington's actions are noteworthy, perhaps: Congress sent him (non-binding) resolutions calling for days of prayer or fasting; Washington carefully edited out
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Folks: I'm willing to cut people slack in
times of obvious and understandable emotional upset, butit's still
important to note that posts such as those below,though forgivable under
the circumstances, are quiteinappropriate. You may have whatever
views you want of fellow
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From: Richard Foltin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: New Orleans legal system
Tangentially apropos of the interesting but assuredly academic discussion
of
Governor Blanco's call for prayer,
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