Re: No religious advertisements on municipal buses

2010-12-20 Thread Ira Lupu
Wouldn't such a policy be constitutionally valid under the ruling in Lehman v. Shaker Heights, 418 U.S. 298 (1974) (holding that advertising space on city buses is not a public forum, and upholding the city's rule forbidding political advertising, while allowing commercial advertising, on the

Re: No religious advertisements on municipal buses

2010-12-20 Thread Ira Lupu
It would be good to know the exact policy. If the city allows commercial ads but no political or religious ads, I think the policy is constitutionally OK. If the city allows political ads but not religious ads, the policy is indeed highly questionable under Rosenberger, etc. On Mon, Dec 20,

Re: No religious advertisements on municipal buses

2010-12-20 Thread Ira Lupu
in a public forum -- even though such speech presumably is at the core of most any concept of what the First Amendment protects, cf. Citizens United -- speech about religious matters may not be. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: It would be good to know the exact

Re: A John Paul Stevens Puzzle

2011-04-11 Thread Ira Lupu
If Marci is correct about the scope of the Boerne decision, it is quite odd that not a single Justice mentioned this, even in a footnote, in the O Centro case, in which RFRA was successfully applied to create an exemption from the federal law of controlled substances. That loud silence suggests

Re: The religious exemptions in the new NY same-sex marriage law

2011-06-25 Thread Ira Lupu
As some of you perhaps know, Bob Tuttle and I have written a piece about state laws and policy proposals designed to reconcile same-sex marriage with religious liberty. http://www.law.northwestern.edu/journals/njlsp/v5/n2/4/4Lupu.pdf The NY law, as I read it, is just like the other state laws we

Re: The religious exemptions in the new NY same-sex marriage law

2011-06-26 Thread Ira Lupu
Whatever the current law in NY is, this doesn't change it. So if a religious organization owns and operates an assisted living facility, and it excludes occupants on religious grounds, and it preaches against same-sex intimacy, it probably would be free to exclude same-sex partners. Their

Re: The religious exemptions in the new NY same-sex marriage law

2011-06-27 Thread Ira Lupu
orientation, etc.) merely because such discrimination is religiously motivated -- it only permits discrimination in favor of coreligionists. On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Ira Lupu mailto:icl...@law.gwu.eduicl...@law.gwu.edu icl...@law.gwu.edumailto:icl...@law.gwu.edu icl...@law.gwu.edu

Re: Widmar v. Vincent redux, though in a traditional public forum?

2011-08-15 Thread Ira Lupu
May members of the church group join in prayer during the picnic/barbecue? It's hard to see why baptism would be different (from the state's point of view re: devoting public resources to worship), unless Marty is correct that the body of water is not open for swimming or wading (and no one on the

National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition

2011-11-02 Thread Ira Lupu
The student organizers (from the GW chapter of the J. Reuben Clark Law Society), Bob Tuttle, and I want to call your attention to the details of this year's National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition: The 6th Annual National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition will be held at George

Re: Hosanna-Tabor

2012-01-12 Thread Ira Lupu
Does the line of cases that allow sexual harassment claims for damages by clergy against their religious employers (e.g., Bollard v. Cal. Province of Society of Jesus, 196 F. 3d 940 (9th Cir, 1999)) survive Hosanna-Tabor? Is that just another employment discrimination suit, or is it more like an

Re: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-13 Thread Ira Lupu
on employer-based health insurance coverage? Or would coverage of similar services by Medicaid that is supported by taxpayers more broadly an equal problem? Howard Friedman -Original Message- From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu on behalf of Ira Lupu Sent: Mon 2/13/2012 8:49 AM

Re: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-14 Thread Ira Lupu
[mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2012 5:50 AM *To:* Marc DeGirolami *Cc:* Zietlow, Rebecca E.; Walsh, Kevin; Law Religion issues for Law Academics; Con Law Prof list *Subject:* Re: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

Re: Contraceptives and gender discrimination

2012-02-15 Thread Ira Lupu
On the burden question -- Religious entities may limit hiring to co-religionists, and then make their best efforts to enforce religious norms against employees. Doesn't that option make the burden of the HHS policy far less substantial? I think a common reaction to the religious liberty claim

contraceptives and RFRA

2012-02-16 Thread Ira Lupu
Having processed this rich conversation, I find myself convinced that a) the objecting religious institutions see themselves as burdened by these rules, and that government should not second-guess that determination, but b) the question of substantiality has to be for the government under some

Re: Court upholds prison no-pork policy against Establishment Clause challenge

2012-04-12 Thread Ira Lupu
Is this outcome surprising in any way? Does anyone on the list believe that the court got this wrong? (I certainly don't). If Congress overrode HHS and eliminated pregnancy prevention services from mandatory coverage by employers under the Affordable Care Act, wouldn't the analysis be just the

Re: Court upholds prison no-pork policy against Establishment Clause challenge

2012-04-12 Thread Ira Lupu
...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:32 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: Court upholds prison no-pork policy against Establishment Clause challenge ** ** Is this outcome surprising in any way? Does anyone on the list

Re: Court upholds prison no-pork policy against EstablishmentClause challenge

2012-04-13 Thread Ira Lupu
for human consumption (as it did in 1998), so it should be free to ban the sale of pork - not that I'd ever endorse that as a policy matter! Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [ mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edureligionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu

Re: German circumcision decision

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
We are making this so much more complicated than it has to be. I cannot speak to the particulars of the case in Germany, so I won't try. But in the U.S, we have a longstanding tradition, initially at common law and ultimately in constitutional law (Pierce, Meyer, etc.) of parental control over

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
? ** ** Eugene ** ** *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:38 AM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: German circumcision decision ** ** We

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
. Is there dispositive caselaw I'm missing here? Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [ mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edureligionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:38 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
religious liberty. -- *From:* religionlaw-bounces+aebrownstein=ucdavis@lists.ucla.edu[religionlaw-bounces+aebrownstein= ucdavis@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Ira Lupu [icl...@law.gwu.edu] *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2012 9:50 AM

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
. Is there dispositive caselaw I'm missing here? Eugene From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edumailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Ira Lupu Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:38 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
If Smith's hybrid rights explanation of Yoder is all there is against my argument that religious motivation should add or subtract nothing from parental rights to engage in particular child-rearing practices, I'll happily rest my case. All I'm suggesting is that once we have a general set of

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-05 Thread Ira Lupu
harm to a child. Marci On Jul 5, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: Our ordinary, wide-spread, and long-standing presumption is that parents/guardians act in the best interests of their minor children. The state may intervene -- overcome that presumption -- when parents

Re: Parental rights and physical conduct

2012-07-06 Thread Ira Lupu
** ** Mark S. Scarberry Professor of Law Pepperdine Univ. School of Law ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:45 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law

Re: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting substantial burden

2012-10-02 Thread Ira Lupu
...@lists.ucla.edureligionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu?] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:10 AM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting substantial burden The formal findings

Re: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting substantial burden

2012-10-02 Thread Ira Lupu
suggesting that it has evolved into a different standard? Marci Marci A. Hamilton Paul R. Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law Yeshiva University 55 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10003 (212) 790-0215 hamilto...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Ira Lupu icl

Re: Court Rejects Religious Liberty Challenges To ACA Mandate--interpreting substantial burden

2012-10-03 Thread Ira Lupu
Re: Chris Lund's question about Lee -- The Amish take care of their own who are disabled or no longer able to work. They didn't want to pay twice -- once for FICA contributions, and again in their own community. And the FICA contributions were earmarked for just that use. Employers objecting to

Re: RFRA and claimants' theories of complicity

2012-10-04 Thread Ira Lupu
In these cases about landlord or employer liability or criminal complicity, the landlord or employer is denying complicity, and the law imposes objective standards to adjudicate the question. It would never be the case that the law would allow the landlord or employer to escape liability by

Re: RLUIPA and prisoner conjugal visits

2012-11-26 Thread Ira Lupu
Re: Marty's post below -- wouldn't an RLUIPA-based right for some religiously motivated prisoners to obtain conjugal visits discriminate in the allocation of a constitutionally protected activity -- i.e., the right of intimate association? On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Marty Lederman

Re: RFRA challenge to DNA testing requirement for child's citizenship application (derivative of parental citizenship)

2012-12-08 Thread Ira Lupu
I have a suspicious mind. This case smells of immigration fraud. Ashok and Bakula are American citizens. How did it come to pass that this baby was born to them in India? Did they present evidence of the mother's pregnancy, or of delivery to her in a hospital in India? (What is the source of

Re: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Ira Lupu
The difference between the college scenario that Greg raises and the health insurance scenario may be the universal entitlement to the latter that the ACA creates. As others have said, the Missouri plaintiff is not obligated to have a family health insurance policy, nor is he obligated to include

Re: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-16 Thread Ira Lupu
? Eugene FROM: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] ON BEHALF OF Ira Lupu SENT: Friday, August 16, 2013 2:18 PM TO: Law Religion issues for Law Academics SUBJECT: Re: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate The difference

Re: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate

2013-08-17 Thread Ira Lupu
[ mailto:religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edureligionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Friday, August 16, 2013 6:07 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: New Twist On Challenge to ACA Contraceptive Mandate ** ** Eugene and I agree

National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition

2013-08-25 Thread Ira Lupu
This academic year's National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition will be held at George Washington University Law School on February 7-8, 2014. This year's problem considers a hypothetical federal program that provides funding for houses of worship, along with other community facilities, to

Re: Contraception Mandate

2013-11-26 Thread Ira Lupu
But the government is under no obligation to provide contraceptive coverage for women even if it loses these two cases in the Supreme Court. And if it loses them, the female employees and family members who lose this coverage will suffer (in full) the third party harms that Nelson, Micah, Fred

Re: Patently Frivolous

2013-11-26 Thread Ira Lupu
I don't know why the relevant time frame is post-Sherbert and pre-Smith. Braunfeld v. Brown (1961) is just two years prior to Sherberrt, and all of the Justices take quite seriously (though only Brennan, the author of Sherbert, and Stewart, actually accept) the free exercise claims of Mr.

Re: Response to Tom Berg (and others)

2013-11-27 Thread Ira Lupu
Tom, Nelson, and Micah have very artfully and rigorously framed the relevant questions re: the role of third party harms and Establishment Clause concerns in the contraceptive mandate litigation. Paul's question was addressed to Nelson, but I would like to suggest an answer -- Hosanna-Tabor can

Re: Discrimination under Title VII and RFRA (was Patently Frivolous)

2013-11-27 Thread Ira Lupu
All of Marci's hypotheticals are loaded up, because they involve direct imposition on women's behavior (wear head scarves, don't use certain medicines or drugs) rather than just refusing to pay for the relevant goods. And Marci's claim that Hobby Lobby and others are engaging in religious

Re: The Establishment Clause, burden on others, the employer mandate, and the draft

2013-12-02 Thread Ira Lupu
Eugene: 1. I strongly suggest that you read the Gedicks and Van Tassell article, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2328516, RFRA Exemptions from the Contraception Mandate: An Unconstitutional Accommodation of Religion, for a fully developed answer to your questions. 2. Your

Re: The Establishment Clause, burden on others, the employer mandate, and the draft

2013-12-02 Thread Ira Lupu
But there were also exemptions for graduate students in all fields of health sciences (medicine, dentistry, optometry, etc.). So the divinity student exemption is more like the property tax exemption upheld in Walz -- it is part of a larger set of exemptions in which many/most are secular (and

Re: RFRA, the Establishment Clause, and saving constructions

2013-12-03 Thread Ira Lupu
The reason not to construe RFRA to apply to all secular philosophical objectors is that it's just plain crazy as a matter of policy. RFRA (which we would have to rename FRA after such a construction) applies to all of federal law. So this construction would give the holder of every crackpot

Re: RFRA, the Establishment Clause, and saving constructions

2013-12-03 Thread Ira Lupu
suddenly cause much bigger problems? Eugene *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:45 AM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: RFRA

Re: The clergy-penitent privilege and burdens on third parties

2013-12-03 Thread Ira Lupu
And the clergy-penitent privilege is one of many such privileges -- doctor-patient, lawyer-client, spousal privilege, etc. They are designed to encourage communication within relationships the law values. So this example is like Walz -- it does not involve special treatment for religion. It is

Re: The nonprofit contraception services cases

2014-01-03 Thread Ira Lupu
Why don't all these religious nonprofits choose Christian Brothers Services as their health insurer? That way, certification or not, the employees will not receive the services to which the employer objects? Something is missing from this narrative. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at

Re: On implausible burdens

2014-02-15 Thread Ira Lupu
I too found Alan Brownstein's post, which Rick put up at MOJ and linked in his post here, quite thoughtful and provocative. I am not a Catholic, so I do not feel like I have a basis for judgment about Notre Dame's arguments that rest on ideas of both complicity and scandal (as I understand the

On implausible burdens

2014-02-16 Thread Ira Lupu
No apologies necessary, Alan. All of the points in your recent post -- that the Town of Greece prayer policy raises structural issues as well as coercion/liberty issues , and that many on (and off) this list are quite selective in the religious liberty concerns with which they sympathize -- are

Re: Notre Dame-- where's the complicit participation? Sincerity

2014-02-17 Thread Ira Lupu
Greg Sisk's post quite stunningly asks for mutual respect for the contending concerns in the contraceptive mandate cases, and then (just as Greg Lipper wrote) minimizes the concern for women's health and well-being that explains the contraceptive mandate. The safest and most effective

Re: recommended Hobby Lobby posts

2014-02-20 Thread Ira Lupu
Very good questions, Alan. Three replies (in reverse order of your questions): 1. Other rights contexts (like free speech) where third party costs are present -- Religion is different. The Establishment Clause is a limit on the government's power to authorize one party to act on religious

Re: recommended Hobby Lobby posts

2014-02-20 Thread Ira Lupu
. Scarberry Professor of Law Pepperdine Univ. School of Law *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:44 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re

Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-22 Thread Ira Lupu
Even in red states, it's incredible how fast hearts and minds are changing . . . On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edumailto: icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: Look at the new Kansas law on the right of individuals and religious entities to discriminate against those

Re: Subject: Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-26 Thread Ira Lupu
The Kansas bill is very sex/gender specific, and it is not limited to weddings in any way. The rights it creates appear absolute -- no interest balancing. It would authorize all sincere religious objectors (persons and entities, including businesses) to treat same sex marriages/domestic

Re: Subject: Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-26 Thread Ira Lupu
in this context? Many thanks. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: The Kansas bill is very sex/gender specific, and it is not limited to weddings in any way. The rights it creates appear absolute -- no interest balancing. It would authorize all sincere religious

Re: Subject: Re: Kansas/Arizona statutes protecting for-profit businesses

2014-02-26 Thread Ira Lupu
: are you asserting that *none* have adopted the broader exceptions (wedding vendors, etc)? On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: Hillel: The same sex marriage laws to which you refer do have exceptions, for clergy, houses of worship, and (sometimes

Re: Protecting Religious Conscience from Private Suits -- How far do we go under the Const and under RFRAs?

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
For purposes of a state RFRA or a state constitution, I do not understand why defenses to a private right of action for discrimination (e.g., a merchant refused to serve me because of my race, religion, etc.; merchant defends on religious freedom grounds) are any different from defenses to a

bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
I think that the politics of the moment, and the conversations we have been having (including the reference to Jim Oleske's provocative article about religious objections to inter-racial marriage compared to religious objections to same sex marriage, *Interracial and Same-Sex Marriages: Similar

Re: Protecting Religious Conscience from Private Suits -- How far do we go under the Const and under RFRAs?

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
/marci_hamilton -Original Message- From: Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 9:20 am Subject: Re: Protecting Religious Conscience from Private Suits -- How far do we go under the Const and under RFRAs

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
(and that of David Green) is not following his conscience, but seeking full coverage under aegis of state laws without any compromise. -Kevin Chen On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: I think that the politics of the moment, and the conversations we have been having (including

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-27 Thread Ira Lupu
Greg Sisk's post re: how to think about the wedding photographer is just the compelled speech argument one more time. In the case of a photographer, a First A claim of compelled speech is plausible, though not entirely persuasive. In the case of a baker, florist, wine vendor, or caterer, the

Re: bigotry and sincere religious belief

2014-02-28 Thread Ira Lupu
-- *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [ religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] on behalf of Ira Lupu [ icl...@law.gwu.edu] *Sent:* Thursday, February 27, 2014 6:45 AM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* bigotry and sincere religious belief I think

Re: Definition of discrimination.

2014-03-01 Thread Ira Lupu
Yes, a sad and disturbing story that Jean tells (perhaps a threat of assault, or some other crime). Likewise, a sad story about the evangelists that Greg S. tells (rudeness and worse). But neither story is about discrimination as the law understands it, because passersby had no legal duty to

Re: Definition of discrimination.

2014-03-01 Thread Ira Lupu
School of Law Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2014, at 7:38 AM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: Yes, a sad and disturbing story that Jean tells (perhaps a threat of assault, or some other crime). Likewise, a sad story about the evangelists that Greg S. tells (rudeness and worse). But neither

Re: Testimony on Kansas Statutory Protection of Religious Liberty

2014-03-10 Thread Ira Lupu
Thank you for this courtesy, Mark. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2014, at 3:31 AM, Scarberry, Mark mark.scarbe...@pepperdine.edu wrote: So that those on the list will be satisfied who want us all to disclose our public statements, here is a news report of the testimony I gave

letter opposing Mississippi RFRA

2014-03-11 Thread Ira Lupu
A group of ten legal academics, including myself and a number of others who post on this list, have prepared a letter urging the legislative defeat of a proposed Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Mississippi. The letter has recently been delivered and made publicly available. It can be found

Re: letter opposing Mississippi RFRA

2014-03-11 Thread Ira Lupu
...@lists.ucla.edureligionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:21 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* letter opposing Mississippi RFRA A group of ten legal academics, including myself and a number of others who post on this list, have prepared

Re: Hobby Lobby transcript

2014-03-25 Thread Ira Lupu
Braunfeld did not sell meat. From the opinion: Appellants are merchants in Philadelphia who engage in the retail sale of clothing and home furnishings within the proscription of the statute in issue. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Levinson, Sanford V slevin...@law.utexas.edu wrote: With

Re: Oregon Ballot Title: Religious Exemptions Same-Sex Couples

2014-05-09 Thread Ira Lupu
Has there been any discussion from either side of what is meant by arrangements? It might be limited to wedding receptions/parties, etc., but one can imagine broader interpretations that go to the full range of human activities involved in operating a household as a married couple. On Fri, May

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-09 Thread Ira Lupu
It is worth recalling that federal RFRA itself was anything but divisive. Au contraire. It passed with overwhelming support from both parties, and wide support among civil rights and civil liberties groups (with Hobby Lobby under advisement, some of these groups are now running from RFRA like it

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-09 Thread Ira Lupu
to bestow immense policy-making power on those same courts through RFRA. There's a legislative process lesson in there somewhere. On Monday, June 9, 2014, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: It is worth recalling that federal RFRA itself was anything but divisive. Au contraire. It passed

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-09 Thread Ira Lupu
exceptions points in this direction. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: It's a very old lesson. Legislators support vague delegations aimed at some general good (clean air, workplace safety, endangered species), and claim political credit for doing so

Re: Divisiveness

2014-06-09 Thread Ira Lupu
yields. This abdication of policy-making responsibility by legislators is indefensible. Eugene can correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think his proposed common-law approach to religious exceptions points in this direction. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu

Re: Underinclusion Arguments Going Forward [Was Hobby Lobby Question]

2014-07-04 Thread Ira Lupu
...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2014 2:13 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: Underinclusion Arguments Going Forward [Was Hobby Lobby Question] I'm sure that Hobby Lobby (and Notre Dame, etc.) wanted a decision that said

Re: Underinclusion Arguments Going Forward [Was Hobby Lobby Question]

2014-07-04 Thread Ira Lupu
have relied on that very heavily in O Centro. I’m saying this without the Hobby Lobby opinions in front of me. Best, Chris *From:* religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2014 2:13 PM *To:* Law

Re: What's at stake in the debate over the forthcoming LGBT nondiscrimination E.O.?

2014-07-09 Thread Ira Lupu
Nothing in federal statutory law now forbids LGBT discrimination by any private party. And religious organizations would in any event be free to discriminate against openly gay employees under Section 702 of the '64 Civil Rights Act. That is, such a decision could be defended as being on the

Re: What's at stake in the debate over the forthcoming LGBT nondiscrimination E.O.?

2014-07-09 Thread Ira Lupu
This piece has additional insight: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/three-reasons-lgbt-groups-are-fighting-over-a-bill-that-isnt On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Marty Lederman lederman.ma...@gmail.com wrote: The Times reports that the administration is getting heavy pressure from both

Re: ENDA and Title VII (diversion from: What's at stake in the debate over the forthcoming LGBT nondiscrimination E.O.?)

2014-07-09 Thread Ira Lupu
for enactment. A combination of the intransigent Republican resistance and the new RFRA concern raised by Hobby Lobby therefore made it virtually inevitable that LGBT supporters would now withdraw their support for the ENDA religious exemption. On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Ira Lupu icl

Hobby Lobby and the Dubious Enterprise of Religious Exemptions

2014-07-18 Thread Ira Lupu
Because of the amount of interest in Hobby Lobby on both of these lists, I am taking the liberty to let list-members know that I have just posted on SSRN a paper entitled Hobby Lobby and the Dubious Enterprise of Religious Exemptions. The paper is forthcoming in a Symposium on Religious

Re: Question about the President's executive order on sexual orientation discrimination

2014-07-23 Thread Ira Lupu
I'm not sure that Marty and Nelson are disagreeing with Eric at the bottom line. Eric writes that religious employers should be prepared to demonstrate that they have applied behavioral standards evenhandedly. For example, the court in *Boyd* might well have upheld the pregnant teacher’s sex and

Re: Discrimination that is both religious discrimination and ethnic discrimination

2014-07-23 Thread Ira Lupu
Certainly the state has no business dictating to an organization the criteria for being a Jew (matrilineal; degree of observance; appropriate beliefs; etc) or being of any other faith. The reasoning behind the ministerial exception would preclude such a determination by the state, would it not?

Re: Question about the President's executive order on sexual orientation discrimination

2014-07-23 Thread Ira Lupu
] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:55 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: Question about the President's executive order on sexual orientation discrimination I'm not sure that Marty and Nelson are disagreeing with Eric at the bottom line. Eric

Re: Administration to ‘Augment’ ACA Contraceptive Rules

2014-08-22 Thread Ira Lupu
Thanks, Tom. I cannot get either link to work. Have others been able to access these documents? May I ask if the expansion of the accommodation to for-profits is a proposal put out for notice and comment over a prescribed number of days? Chip On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Berg, Thomas C.

Re: Administration to ‘Augment’ ACA Contraceptive Rules

2014-08-22 Thread Ira Lupu
Here are responses to my own questions: *Interim Final Rule for Non-profits* The administration is issuing interim final regulations that lay out an additional way for organizations eligible for an accommodation to provide notice of their religious objection to providing coverage for

GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition

2014-09-22 Thread Ira Lupu
George Washington University will once again host the National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark Law Society. The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014. The problem will be released on Nov. 17, 2014. The competition will be held at GW

Re: Is it possible that rights of both same-sex couples and vendors who object on religious grounds could be protected?

2014-10-09 Thread Ira Lupu
Many states do not have a RFRA. Discrimination by vendors cannot violate Title VII, because it protects only those in the employment relationship. Some states outlaw discrimination by vendors against LGBT people, but there are very few states that do that and also have a RFRA. So these questions

Re: Is it possible that rights of both same-sex couples and vendors who object on religious grounds could be protected?

2014-10-09 Thread Ira Lupu
The federal law of nondiscrimination in public accommodations covers hotels and restaurants (which may be wedding vendors), but it does not outlaw discrimination based on LGBT status, or even discrimination based on sex (it is limited to race, color, religion, and national origin). I believe that

Re: I would not have enacted this statute - Justice Scalia on RLUIPA

2014-10-19 Thread Ira Lupu
I'm a bit bewildered by Scalia's comment and the substantive reactions to it. Why in the world is a Justice telling us what he would have voted for as a Member of Congress, when that's not his role in the government? Perhaps he would not have voted for the NLRA or the APA either; should that

Re: I would not have enacted this statute - Justice Scalia on RLUIPA

2014-10-19 Thread Ira Lupu
of simply saying my job is to enforce its commands even if I consider them stupid or even pernicious? Scalia should get a pass on this one. Sandy Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: I'm a bit bewildered by Scalia's comment

letter re: proposed Georgia RFRA

2015-01-23 Thread Ira Lupu
The Georgia General Assembly is considering RFRA-type legislation. The proposed Bill is here: http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/en-US/display/20152016/HB/29. ​ A group of legal scholars, including myself and others who post on this list, have written a letter to Georgia political leaders,

Re: Homeschooling, vaccinations, and Yoder

2015-02-02 Thread Ira Lupu
The idea that state legislators, faced with home schooling questions, are reflecting on the best reading of Pierce, Yoder, or the Constitution (and which parts of that would they be reading?) strikes me as spectacularly fanciful. If they cared about what legal research disclosed (rather than what

Re: Homeschooling, vaccinations, and Yoder

2015-02-02 Thread Ira Lupu
I've gotten a little bit lost re: whether we are discussing the right to home school or the right to not have your children vaccinated against contagious disease. But I must add that the legislative support, now quite widespread, for home schooling is not limited to or focused on those who home

Re: Homeschooling, vaccinations, and Yoder

2015-02-02 Thread Ira Lupu
I did very similar research for a piece I wrote in the B.U. L. Rev. in 1987, and found exactly the same thing -- courts very much resisted extending Yoder into a general right to home school. They distinguished Yoder based on age of the children and character of the relevant religious community

Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-01-22 Thread Ira Lupu
I want to call the list's attention to Jim Oleske's rigorously argued, just published review of Robert George, Conscience and Its Enemies: Confronting the Dogmas of Liberal Secularism (2013). The web link is here, http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/01/the-born-again-champion-of-conscience/, and the

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-17 Thread Ira Lupu
my tune about whether we should provide conduct exemptions from general, neutral laws that burden religious activity. Professor Ira Lupu, whom Oleske thanks in a note for helping with the review, circulated a link to it, touting it as “rigorously argued.” But a review cannot be rigorously argued

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Ira Lupu
://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=342235 Blogs: Prawfsblawg http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/ Mirror of Justice http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/ Twitter: @RickGarnett https://twitter.com/RickGarnett On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote

Re: letter re: proposed Georgia RFRA

2015-01-25 Thread Ira Lupu
if I have been wrong in thinking that there is no political appetite in the current climate for bipartisan state RFRAs targeted at the type of noncontroversial exemptions discussed during the debates over the original RFRA. - Jim On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu

Re: letter re: proposed Georgia RFRA

2015-01-23 Thread Ira Lupu
, and if the bill passes, it would seem to be a major development in the debate over state RFRAs (and a development that I, quite frankly, would not have anticipated in the current political environment). - Jim On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Ira Lupu icl...@law.gwu.edu wrote: The Georgia General

Re: Can someone be legally obligated to have sex with people she's unwilling to have sex with?

2015-02-14 Thread Ira Lupu
Look at the Nevada law of public accommodations, https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-651.html#NRS651Sec060. It is focused on places open to the general public, not on particular kinds of work. It covers any bar or restaurant, or any establishment that includes a bar or restaurant. And it

Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George

2015-02-18 Thread Ira Lupu
-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ira Lupu *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 6:12 PM *To:* Law Religion issues for Law Academics *Subject:* Re: Jim Oleske's new review of book by Robert George Dear Rick: Yes, I think you are just echoing Mark and Eugene when you emphasize

Re: Utah bills

2015-03-12 Thread Ira Lupu
Most states have a co-religionist hiring exemption for organizations with religious purposes, akin to section 702 of Title VII. A few have narrower co-religionist exemptions, limited to jobs with religious duties of some kind. From my reading of Utah law when this story arose last week (I

state RFRA's and local anti-discrimination laws

2015-03-30 Thread Ira Lupu
One very important question I have never seen discussed is the relationship between a state RFRA (say, Texas or Indiana) and a local anti-discrimination ordinance (say, San Antonio or Indianapolis) that covers public accommodations and protects the LGBT population. This is a common configuration;

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