Re: Law.com - 3rd Circuit Rejects Muslim Cop's Bid to Wear ReligiousScarf

2009-04-09 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 4/8/2009 7:13:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, layco...@umich.edu writes: And relating to what Professor Finkleman said before, there's actually an allowance for scarves if they are black or navy blue, and captains and above may wear white scarves. Perhaps a khimar can

Re: Sending Good News Club Fliers Home With Students

2008-12-03 Thread FRAP428
The problem is that school law (as it is typically denominated in schools of education) is not a required course for pre-service teachers. My students are all prospective administrators required to take it as graduate course. They all (or virtually all) say that the course should be required

Your message may have carried a virus

2007-11-03 Thread FRAP428
It came with a .dat file attached. Frances Paterson, J.D., Ed.D. Professor Department of Curriculum, Leadership, and Technology College of Education Valdosta State University Valdosta, GA 31698-0090 ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Re: Joel wanted to show you an article

2007-09-10 Thread FRAP428
Just put Tuscaloosanews.com in front of the rest. Frances Paterson Frances Paterson, J.D., Ed.D. Professor Department of Curriculum, Leadership, and Technology College of Education Valdosta State University Valdosta, GA 31698-0090 ** See what's new at

Re: Mormon Student, Justice, ACLU Join Up

2007-09-06 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 9/6/2007 8:16:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Third, to say atheists are not evangelical ignores the passion and furor around Harris, Dawkins, Hutchens et. al. and the best selling books they have written. I have been reflecting that the

Re: Recent Threads

2007-09-06 Thread FRAP428
I am certainly well aware that Christian Reconstructionists are a small minority; however, the line between some of their beliefs and those of some (please note both uses of the word some) members of the Christian Right may not be particularly bright (more of a continuum). Sort of like the

Re: 500 years

2005-11-08 Thread FRAP428
Well, I have only anecdotal evidence regarding proselytizing by Catholics. Although I am not Catholic, I sent my older daughter to parochial school from fifth through tenth grade. Her first week at Our Lady of Assumption she told me she wanted to convert so I took her to see the priest and,

Re: Candor

2005-11-08 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 11/8/05 4:45:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like to think that I do practice candor. I know you do, Eugene. But I believe that you are influenced by your viewpoints, even though you are unaware of how they are shaping your reactions. And no, Eugene,

Re: Candor

2005-11-08 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 11/8/05 5:36:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it may well be that I don't fully understand others' perspective. Well, it is a difficult thing to judge--how successful we are, at the deepest levels, in being empathetic. And wisdom (not sheer

Re: non-disruptive speech ?

2005-11-07 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 11/7/05 8:48:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but it doesn't change that Free Speech Doctrine so that words suddenly rise to the level of fighting words because select, fragilely constructed individuals, act as though words are likely to provoke an

Re: non-disruptive speech ?

2005-11-06 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 11/6/05 11:47:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you seriously suggesting that a kid who talk to your 7 year old about religion in a way that you find offensive is going to be physically assaulted by your child? That's not just unacceptable at school.

Re: Should atheist arguments by students be suppressed in public school?

2005-11-06 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 11/6/05 3:39:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Under current doctrine, I take it that the school must tolerate such speech unless it's actually likely to start a fight. You'd take it wrong in the Eleventh Circuit. School officials do not need Tinker's

Re: Should atheist arguments by students be suppressed in publicschool?

2005-11-06 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 11/6/05 4:03:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: think that's an overreading of Fraser, but surely it wouldn't apply simply to speech that criticizes a religion (or absence of religion). Or else, as I asked, what happened to Tinker? Well, the 11th Circuit

Re: The Devil Went Down to Georgia

2005-10-15 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 10/15/05 11:15:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I like the song. . . . I just thought it was kind of ironic that they could play that song, but they wouldn't be allowed to play a song about God." . . . What I find interesting about this letter is the

Re: The Devil Went Down to Georgia

2005-10-15 Thread FRAP428
Duncanville also included a challenge to the selection of Christian song as the choir's theme song, and the court held that the selection of the song did not violate the Establishment Clause (and also wrote about the use of sacred music in schools generally) because it had the secular purpose of

Re: Public Schools, Intolerance Christian Dancers

2005-10-08 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 10/8/05 1:50:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Be fruitful and multiply! Gosh, sounds like my Northern Irish grandfather, the father of thirteen, because that was one way Ulstermen would keep control--by being more "fruitful" than the Catholics. And we

Re: Floodwaters and Undermined Walls

2005-09-01 Thread FRAP428
Jim Henderson, you are beyond disgusting. People are dying. They were gasping out their last breaths or cradling a loved one--a child, a mother or father--in distress as you wrote your post. Save your idelogical arguments for another time. I'm sorry, Eugene, but this is too much so don't bother to

Re: FW: Feature films on church and state

2005-08-11 Thread FRAP428
The Crucible perhaps. Frances R. A. Paterson, J.D., Ed.D. Associate Professor Department of Educational Leadership Valdosta State University Valdosta, GA 31698 ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change

Re: What causes more religious strife: Government bodies posting the Ten Comm...

2005-08-04 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 8/4/05 1:05:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the court says the majority religion must leave room for the minority to practice, then this can have another set of effects. This sometimes ocurrs when a court treats a defunct (or virtually defunct)

Re: Elective Bible Classes

2005-08-02 Thread FRAP428
I wrote an analysis of this curriculum that appeared in the Journal of Law and Education Paterson, F. R. A. (2003). Anatomy of a Bible course curriculum. Journal of Law and Education, 32(1), 41-65. Frances R. A. Paterson, J.D., Ed.D. Associate Professor Department of Educational Leadership

Re: Elective Bible Classes

2005-08-02 Thread FRAP428
Yes. I lacked his training and expertise in theology and archaeology and so focused on the constitutional infirmities of the curriculum and how to avoid those infirmities. Frances Paterson ___ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To

Re: Elective Bible Classes

2005-08-02 Thread FRAP428
Well, I see a Bradley letter (a pdf linked from the legality section of the web site) but it is dated 1999 and since my article did not appear until 2003 it can hardly be a response to it. Frances one-T Paterson ___ To post, send message to

Re: Elective Bible Classes

2005-08-02 Thread FRAP428
Very interesting. Frances "Polemic Author" Paterson I would suggest that list members read my article (available on Westlaw and Lexis) and judge for themselves whether Professor Bradley remarks are fair and objective. And I have a funny feeling I already know who will conclude that they are.

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-24 Thread FRAP428
I don't think "public spaces" gets us much further than "public squares." Frances R. A. Paterson, J.D., Ed.D. Associate Professor Department of Educational Leadership Valdosta State University Valdosta, GA 31698 ___ To post, send message to

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-21 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 7/20/05 11:10:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like "Xtians"? "X" is, as I am sure you know, the Greek for Christ (if memory serves me right). Thus, "Xtian" is an abbreviation for Christian. Many years ago I used it in religion courses I took in college.

Re: Assaults on the England language

2005-07-21 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 7/21/05 10:04:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you often use Greek letters to shorten English words? No, don't often use GREEK letter to shorten English words but do use a lot of abbreviations and don't spend at time at all, until this thread,

Re: 21st Century Zorach

2005-02-18 Thread FRAP428
Yes, it does seem a bit ridiculous to have released time chess club or swimming lessons as opposed to 4 p.m. Thursday afternoon chess club or swimming lessons and likewise for sectarian out-of-school activities. Frances R. A. Paterson, J.D., Ed.D. Associate Professor Department of Educational

Re: Steven Williams Case - more factual information

2004-12-16 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 12/16/04 5:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if we leave it to other non-public institutions to teach about it. Well, nongovernmental institutions anyway. I admit to a bit of concern regarding the use of the terms public and government interchangeably.

Re: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-23 Thread FRAP428
One issue that has not been raised is this student's grades. If he can miss school without any impairment of his academic performance, then where is the compelling state interest? Frances Paterson ___ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: Student reprimanded for religious absences

2004-11-23 Thread FRAP428
Eight days out of 180, that's less than the one sick day a month customary for many employed people. Yes, there is other learning that goes on in schools, but is that other learning (aside from that indicated by grades) so concentrated that missing this amount of school is likely to impair it

Re: Child Evangelism Fellowship v. Montgomery County -- the View from Montgom...

2004-07-01 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 7/1/04 11:36:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My claim was not that there is no viewpoint discrimination: My argument is that there is tons of viewpoint discrimination in such programs, constantly, and that there's nothing constitutionally problematic

Re: Justice Thomas in Newdow

2004-06-18 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 6/18/04 5:02:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The "lunatic fringe" certainly seems to include a lot of intelligent scholars: As human beings so frequently demonstrate, intelligence (is there a pun in here somewhere?) can certainly be misused in the

Re: Justice Thomas in Newdow

2004-06-18 Thread FRAP428
In a message dated 6/18/04 11:46:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: unless you have been told, as I was, by a junior high school teacher, that I should not bring my preferred religious text to school for reading during free time, and unless you have been told, as I was, by my

Re: New religious speech at school controversy

2004-06-04 Thread FRAP428
Well, if the situation had arisen here in the heart of Dixie (not Alabama but south Georgia), it likely the Eleventh Circuit would uphold the suspension relying on its decisions in a pair of Confederate flag cases. In Denno v. School Bd. of Volusia County and Scott v. School Bd. of Alachua County,

Re: From the list custodian

2004-04-12 Thread FRAP428
Considering my hand "spanked." I can only plead being deprived of conversations with law professors. "Broader moral or religious questions, such as whether homosexuality is morally proper, how religious people should react to it, and so on are *not* on-topic.  Naturally they're related to the

Re: FYI An Interesting Case

2004-04-11 Thread FRAP428
Needless to says the subject of gay marriage has come up in my courses (the subject of sexual harassment of gay students and teachers and discrimination based on sexual orientation, generally, the employment of public school teachers, and the formation of gay-lesbian clubs where a school has

Re: My Response

2004-04-11 Thread FRAP428
Well, strikes me that the issue is less hatred than anger. And, I ask, as I do my students, what is it about this entire issue, and especially the issue of male homosexuality in particular, that arouses such strength of feeling. That was the focus of my previous post--that I have students--just