RE: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-12 Thread Newsom Michael
The right thing to do? I am not so sure. You did say that some children will suffer. Is that a good thing? Oops. This discussion probably belongs off-list. From: Rick Duncan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was the right move for the Archdiocese to make. Really, it was the only move they could make. It's sad that many children will suffer, but the Archdiocese has to obey its conscience. Isn't

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Susan Brassfield Cogan
At 07:32 AM 3/11/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was the right move for the Archdiocese to make. Really, it was the only move they could make. It's sad that many children will suffer, but the Archdiocese has to

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
I believe the Church properly sees race as irrelevant to sexuality and family formation. But homosexuality is much different from race.Here is the current Pope's position on adoption by homosexual couples:But a conflict between the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts and Beacon Hill has been

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
Whoops! The link in my previous post to the Pope's views about homosexual adoption did not work. Here is the correctedlink.Cheers, Rick[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/10/2006 11:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:This was the right move for the

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 3/11/2006 10:17:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point--which focused only on thereligious liberty issue--was that when faced with a choice between obeying God or Caesar, the Church must obey God. That is what the Church did in this case.

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
Bobby: I am not a Catholic theologian (but the current Pope is a very serious theological scholar). But a very quick answer, based upon my knowledge of Scripture, is to say that homosexuality, unlike race,strikes atthe very essence of the Created Order, from Genesis 1 to the teachings of Jesus in

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Steven Jamar
Slavery was prevalent in biblical times and many references were cited to support slavery.  And so, Rick, are you saying that you will only join a church that sides with the South in the Civil War on the slavery issue because the Bible says so?  Or is it that interpretations have changed or that

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread RJLipkin
In a message dated 3/11/2006 12:27:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue is whether we should believe God's moral teachings or the moral teachings of secular elites. That is an easy choice for me, as it appears to be for Benedict XVI. Rick, isn't the

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Paul Finkelman
Rick; aren't you cherry picking? There is one line in Lev. restated in Deut. saying men should not lie down with men, like women. The Bible devotes far more effort to ordering the execution of witches or dietary rules or how to conduct animal burnt offerings. It is hard to see how you think

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Steven Jamar
I suppose it is about time to start stoning people to death as taught in the old testament . . . .As noted by Bobby Lifkin, perhaps the gulf is just too wide.  Outsiders see gross and inexplicable inconsistencies that insiders see as obviously correct and consistent positions.I think the Solomon

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Rick Duncan
I don't want to argue Catholic (or Protestan)ttheology on list. Let me just say that many students of the Bible believe that it is not so much what the Bible says is evil that definesmarriage as a one-flesh, dual-gender relationship. Rather, it is what the Bible says is the goodof marriage and

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Steven Jamar
On Mar 11, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Rick Duncan wrote:I don't want to argue Catholic (or Protestan)t theology on list.   Let me just say that many students of the Bible believe that it is not so much what the Bible says is evil that defines marriage as a one-flesh, dual-gender relationship. Rather, it

Re: Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-11 Thread Marty Lederman
Well, as long as Rick is invoking what "many students of the Bible" think about "true" sexual union, I think it's worth pointing out that in his original post in this thread, Rick quoted the first five paragraphs of today's Boston globe story. But there's a sixth paragraph, too, which Rick

Catholic Charities Not Bending the Knee to Baal

2006-03-10 Thread Rick Duncan
From the Boston Globe: The Boston Archdiocese's Catholic Charities said Friday it would stop providing adoption services because state law requires them to consider gays and lesbians as parents.The social services arm of the Roman Catholic archdiocese has provided adoption services for