In a message dated 9/1/2005 2:39:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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The provision of material needs tells me that my
leaders are aware of shortages and doing their job to meet them. The
call to prayer tells me that the leaders' hearts are with me as well.
I
In a purely legal vein, I would note that the governor's call carries no penalty for noncompliance, nor any penalty for complying by praying differently, or to a different deity. In short, it's not on all four squares with Judge Dement's decision (for which he won the Profiles in Courage award, if
Having jumped into this discussion a bit late, let me elaborate on
points that I believe Joel Sogol has elegantly made. At times of
personal tragedy, many strict separationists believe that civility
requires that we sometimes sit on constitutional objections (which
others may think are mistaken).
In a message dated 9/1/2005 4:11:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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In a
purely legal vein, I would note that the governor's call carries no penalty
for noncompliance, nor any penalty for complying by praying differently, or to
a different deity.
These define a
The wall is the central metaphor defining the meaning and work of the
Establishment Clause for many commentators including on this list. When
the government "gets away" with some emblematic behavior tinged with religious
connotations, the hue and cry of breach is predictable.
We are all
Jim Henderson, you are beyond disgusting. People are dying. They were gasping out their last breaths or cradling a loved one--a child, a mother or father--in distress as you wrote your post. Save your idelogical arguments for another time. I'm sorry, Eugene, but this is too much so don't bother to
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In Frances Paterson's defense, while this may be the place for the
noting that Henderson did, considerations of appropriate time are also
relevant. And just now, when we don't even know how many people have
died, haven't recovered their bodies, haven't even necessarily rescued all
the trapped,
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:48:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, I know now what I always suspected. If I cried out to Jim Henderson for succor, he might well help me but one part of his mind would be thinking or at least considering if he could use my suffering to advance his agenda.
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Subject: Floodwaters and Undermined Walls
The wall is the central metaphor defining the meaning and work of
the Establishment Clause for many commentators including on this list.
When the government
I'm not sure there is anything the governor
could have done in the time it took to issue a call to prayer that wasn't
already being done. And in time of crisis, like 9/11 or Hurricane
Katrina or anything else of such a devastating magnitude, there are many
of us who find a call to prayer as
the same.
Marc Stern
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In a message dated 9/1/05 1:48:47 PM, [EMAIL
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about the exact words government
officials use to respond to catastrophes, but Art makes a very legitimate
point here. It's not hard to come up with language that is inclusive.
When we face disasters as a people, and feel the need to speak as a
people,
Were there penalties in the past, they would have pre-dated the Establishment Clause, and so would not be relevant to EC litigation. Washington's actions are noteworthy, perhaps: Congress sent him (non-binding) resolutions calling for days of prayer or fasting; Washington carefully edited out
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