RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases In a message dated 12/15/2004 4:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hm -- and some people say that the Protestant Empire

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
rejection of the totality of the law. Marc stern From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases In a message dated 12/16

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
I suspect we have a disagreement here that is verging on the theological. The text of Exod 20 contains many commandments; so does Denuteronomy 5. No matter how one counts them, or parses them, it there are clearly more than ten separate commandments in these chapters. Jews and Christians

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
Not to put too fine a point on these issues, but the for Roman Catholics and Lutherans, the 7th Commandment is a prohibition on stealing, not adultery. That illustrates the whole problem of putting up these monuments. What does it say to a child, for example, who passes the courthouse

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread A.E. Brownstein
case and the Ten Commandments cases In a message dated 12/16/2004 9:10:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is fundamentally wrong as a matter of fact. There are far more than 10 commandments in what we know as the Ten Commandments. There are significant differences

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
Academics Subject: RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases The ADL has filed a very thoughtful brief elaborating on Marc and Paul's points. A link to it can be found on the their web cite http://www.adl.org/PresRele/SupremeCourt_33/4601_33.htm Alan Brownstein UC Davis

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Ed Brayton
I must say, as it concerns the 10 commandments issue, that I'm not so concerned about the question of which text of the 10 commandments one uses as I am the question of why anyone rationally believes that they form the basis of our laws in the first place. At least 6 of the 10 commandments

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
from denial of cert in City of Elkhart v. Book,532 u.s. 1059 Marc Stern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Brayton Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:38 AM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Steven Williams case

Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-15 Thread A.E. Brownstein
As I was reading the SG's brief in McCreary, I was struck by the similarity of the arguments offered in the brief to justify the Ten Commandments display and the arguments offered by list members to support Williams' teaching materials. The SG argues that the Ten Commandments display is

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-15 Thread Newsom Michael
supposed below! -Original Message- From: A.E. Brownstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:36 PM To: Law Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases As I was reading the SG's brief in McCreary, I was struck