RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-17 Thread Sanford Levinson
, 2004 12:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Ten Commandments "Basis of Our Laws" Position I think the current use of the claim that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments, or at least the way I understand this phrase in its strongest sense, is that the Ten Commandmen

Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-17 Thread Mike Schutt
Title: Message In response to Ed's and Prof Lipkin's post, just a quick thought or two. I think what is traditionally meant by the "basis of our laws" position is the following: 1. The Ten Commandments is a stark (if not the first surviving) demonstration that law comes from "outside"

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Sanford Levinson
Title: Message MikeSchuttwrites: 1. The Ten Commandments is a stark (if not the first surviving) demonstration that law comes from "outside" humankind-- that is, that lawis not merely a human artifact. If anything is a theological proposition (that should not be taught by the state) it is

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread RJLipkin
I think the current use of the claim that our laws are based on the Ten Commandments, or at least the way I understand this phrase in its strongest sense, is that the Ten Commandments are our law's foundation in two senses:(1) Our lawsare derived historically, conceptually, and so

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Mike Schutt
Title: Message Of course it would follow, to Christians and Jews alike, that the entire Torah comes from outside humankind. The uniqueness of the Ten Commandments is that it is their "giving" is conveyed bya narrative demonstration of that fact, because,in the Scripture passage, God

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Ed Brayton
Title: Message Mike Schutt wrote: In response to Ed's and Prof Lipkin's post, just a quick thought or two. I think what is traditionally meant by the "basis of our laws" position is the following: 1. The Ten Commandments is a stark (if not the first surviving)

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
law. sandy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position I

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Francis J. Beckwith
Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position Mike Schutt wrote: In response to Ed's and Prof Lipkin's post, just a quick thought or two. I think what is traditionally meant by the basis of our laws position is the following: 1. The Ten Commandments is a stark (if not the first surviving) demonstration

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Francis J. Beckwith
: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position Sandy: There is NO reason to believe that Roman law was affected by the Ten C. Nor is there much evidence that American law was affected by the 10-C; except perhaps to reject portions of it. The First Amendment is a clear rejection of 10-C

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Ed Brayton
Francis J. Beckwith wrote: Ed, are you suggesting that believing the 10 commandments are from God is irrational? If so, not only should the 10 commandments be banned from public places, we should be telling our young people that its divine source is suspect and to believe that way shows a lack of

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Mike Schutt
Title: Message I'm sorry, Ed, I must not have been clear. I was addressing your question, which I thought was sincere, about what people mean when they say that "our laws are based on the Ten Commandments." When I said "the fact that," I was asserting thatthe narrative description in

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Newsom Michael
Academics' Subject: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position In response to Ed's and Prof Lipkin's post, just a quick thought or two. I think what is traditionally meant by the basis of our laws position is the following: 1. The Ten Commandments is a stark

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
- From: Mike Schutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:22 PM To: 'Law Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: Ten Commandments "Basis of Our Laws" Position In response to Ed's and Prof Lipkin's post, just a quick thou

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Jlof
Dear Sandy: The idea of the state IS a theological proposition, friend. God bless you. JL -- John Lofton 313 Montgomery St., Laurel, Maryland 20707 Home Phone: 301-490-7266 Work Phone: 410-766-8591 Cell Phone: 301-873-4612 Fax: 410-766-8592 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]       [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread A.E. Brownstein
When Mike writes that The Ten Commandments is a stark (if not the first surviving) demonstration that law comes from outside humankind-- that is, that law is not merely a human artifact, he is expressing a position with significant sectarian implications. For traditional Jews, the entire Torah

RE: Ten Commandments Basis of Our Laws Position

2004-12-16 Thread Scarberry, Mark
The Decalogue has certainly provided religious and moral support for laws against murder, theft, fraud, and perjury (though such laws probably would have existed in any event). It may also have had other substantial indirect effects on our law. For example, the command to honor the