Re: Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-28 Thread Kris Kirby
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, John Sehring wrote: Then of course 12 identical receivers, I'd use, oh, Mitrek's or MaxTrac's. I think I'd not be inclined to use Micor or any of the Syntor radios because they are purpose-designed radios for quite wide freq. spreads. This necessarily makes for the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-25 Thread Don Kovalchik - W8DPK
Feeding 2 separate V H antennas in phase yields 45 degree polarization. If one antenna is fed 90 degrees lead or lag, then you have RH or LH CP. --Don-- W8DPK larynl2 wrote: ... Years ago before CP antennas were commonly available, FM stations would feed two separate antennas on the

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-25 Thread wb8art
Well, I have only one observation on this statment. In late 70's or early 80's CP was the proposed solution to ghosting. WTTV - 4 Bloomington converted to CP for that exact reason. Working in the field we documented the difference at a receive site. I still have the Poloraid's somewhere but

Fw: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-25 Thread John Sehring
--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com wrote: From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com Subject: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 9:32 PM                       Yes, CP does cause more multipath esp

RE: RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Well, just turn your 2m handie talkie even with a rubber ducky on its side note the drop in signal strength. Cross polarization losses, e.g. linear V to linear H (or vice versa) can be up to 30 dB! In the absence of multipath, or more correctly, obstructions causing reflections that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-24 Thread larynl2
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Gary Schafer gascha...@... wrote: You can not transmit both horizontal and vertical polarization at the same time. Feeding a horizontal antenna and a vertical in phase will give 45 degree polarization. For simultaneous vertical and horizontal the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-24 Thread Paul Plack
Lots of consumer TV receivers use vertical, telescopic whips. - Original Message - From: larynl2 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception The local channel 8 analog station here had

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-24 Thread John Sehring
of Engineering of one of the largest national Canadian TV networks (he's a ham). - From: larynl2 lar...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:52 AM   --- In Repeater

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-24 Thread Jeff DePolo
Yes, CP does cause more multipath esp. in urban environments. Turns out there are a large number of buildings the preferentially reflect V better than H. CP gives V energy othwise lacking (mostly) in a strictly H xmt situation. What you get with strictly H pol. is quite a glorious

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff DePolo
In reference to below, what would be the real advantage to using CP antennas in addition to the V and H you'd have already? Any signal that arrives will excite a V and/or H antenna according to it's arriving polarization, and I don't see where CP would be a help. If you're going to use

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-23 Thread larynl2
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, John Sehring wb...@... wrote: Oh, I forgot...circular polarization would be excellent to use on VHF and UHF repeater.  We want the extra signal strength the multipath would be way less; CP has always intrigued my for amateur repeater use, although

RE: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-23 Thread Gary Schafer
Of John Sehring Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:51 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception I turn out that use of CP in urban suburban areas results in somewhat more signal strength on linearly polarized antennas, e.g. vertical whips

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
: larynl2 lar...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 9:08 PM   In reference to below, what would be the real advantage to using CP antennas in addition to the V and H

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-22 Thread John Sehring
, 8/21/09, larynl2 lar...@hotmail.com wrote: From: larynl2 lar...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 9:08 PM   In reference to below, what would be the real

[Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-21 Thread John Sehring
Paul, I use double or even triple diversity on 10m 6m FM. On 10m, I use a base-fed half-wave vertical installed right above on the same mast as a 3-ele horizontally polarized 10m beam.  That gives me rather more polarization than space diversity but it works FB. I have a 3rd identical rx as

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-21 Thread Paul Plack
: John Sehring To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception Paul, I use double or even triple diversity on 10m 6m FM. On 10m, I use a base-fed half-wave vertical installed right above on the same

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-21 Thread John Sehring
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 1:34 PM   When I lived in Atlanta in the 80's I was a few miles from the local 10m repeater, and quickly noticed that distant stations which

Fw: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Diversity FM reception

2009-08-21 Thread larynl2
In reference to below, what would be the real advantage to using CP antennas in addition to the V and H you'd have already? Any signal that arrives will excite a V and/or H antenna according to it's arriving polarization, and I don't see where CP would be a help. Most FM broadcasters use CP.