Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Richard Hipp Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:31 AM To: SQLite mailing list <sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org> Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM On 11/21/17, Paul San

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

I agree - keep the list on email. Simple, convenient. John Gillespie On 22 November 2017 at 19:49, Niall O'Reilly wrote: > On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote: > > > Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. >

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

I hope that ways are found to keep the email list viable. If not, my only request is that it should push the messages to me, rather than making me pull them. If I had to pull, I might have skipped the thread on inserting date in the middle and updating the ID column--and I have learned a lot

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:45:25 +, Tim Streater wrote: >On 22 Nov 2017, at 19:49, "Niall O'Reilly" wrote: > >> On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote: >> >>> Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 22 Nov 2017, at 19:49, "Niall O'Reilly" wrote: > On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote: > >> Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I >> don't think checking into a forum to stay current with the brisk

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:32 AM, Wout Mertens wrote... In SO you have very little socialization going on. This mailinglist is GUILTY! And I am not Dominique. :-) This is the only mailing list that I am subscribed twice. There is so much knowledge in here, that it should be kept

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

This one. That one. Esta. Aquella. :-) -Original Message- From: Peter Da Silva Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:12 AM To: SQLite mailing list Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM On 11/21/17, 9:54 PM, "sqlite-users on behalf of jose isaias ca

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

> -Original Message- > From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On > Behalf Of Keith Medcalf > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 11:33 AM > To: SQLite mailing list <sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org> > Subject: Re: [sqli

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote: > Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I > don't think checking into a forum to stay current with the brisk activity > here is very practical or appealing. I agree with Bill on this. It

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Hi, On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:53 AM, jungle Boogie wrote: > On 22 November 2017 at 07:56, Igor Korot wrote: >> Hi, >> Postgres very recently switched to PGLister for their ML >> >> This software switch tries to do exactly that - it tries to stay >>

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Well I think some have pointed out the issues with a online web forum, logging in, lack of email notifications? Mailing lists are one aspect of the Internet that in the last 25yrs has not disappointed me. Keeping the mailing list seems to work or the irc option perhaps. With that being said I

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 22 November 2017 at 07:56, Igor Korot wrote: > Hi, > Postgres very recently switched to PGLister for their ML > > This software switch tries to do exactly that - it tries to stay > complaint with all this DMARC stuff. > > Here is the announcement that was posted on their

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

>> There is nothing wrong with email - but there is an awful lot wrong >> with gnail and Google's ideas on how email is done. (Not to >> mention Yahoo, but it seems that MS have the sense to leave the >> underpinnings of hotmail as they were.) >> To put it simply - friends don't let friends

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Hi, Postgres very recently switched to PGLister for their ML This software switch tries to do exactly that - it tries to stay complaint with all this DMARC stuff. Here is the announcement that was posted on their wiki page: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PGLister_Announce. Since SQLite

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

> There is nothing wrong with email - but there is an awful lot wrong with gnail > and Google's ideas on how email is done. (Not to mention Yahoo, but it > seems that MS have the sense to leave the underpinnings of hotmail as they > were.) > > To put it simply - friends don't let friends use

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Wednesday, 22 November, 2017 04:47, Richard Damon wrote: >There is a fundamental problem with the email system that it goes >back to a kinder and gentler time, and it is trivial to spoof most >mail. Including good old-fashioned snail mail of course. There is

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

In SO you have very little socialization going on. This mailinglist is awesome because it is filled with people who will enthousiastically share very detailed information, each in their own way. On SO there is no long-term narrative. I subscribed to this mailing list because I needed help, and I

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Wout Mertens wrote: > One more reason for some forum vs a mailing list: You can "like" a post > without spamming everyone, thus showing your appreciation to the poster and > surfacing interesting content for summarization algorithms. Or

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

One more reason for some forum vs a mailing list: You can "like" a post without spamming everyone, thus showing your appreciation to the poster and surfacing interesting content for summarization algorithms. On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:13 PM Peter Da Silva < peter.dasi...@flightaware.com> wrote: >

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 11/21/17, 9:54 PM, "sqlite-users on behalf of jose isaias cabrera" wrote: > But, whatever it is, I will be part of the next phase of communication. This. ___

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Amongs all of these, I'd like to throw in that I'd like to see a gitter.im channel for sqlite (as opposed to discord or slack). gitter is much easier to share code snippets on and is much faster. It's also got nice integration with github... although that's less important since sqlite isn't

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 11/21/17 3:29 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: And checking SPF is pretty useful as well. Once you have enforced strict compliance, however, the effect of SPF is negligible (less than 1/1000%). DKIM/DMARC generally causes more trouble than it solves (it was designed by a committee of idiots after

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:59 AM To: SQLite mailing list Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM In my opinion it is the beginning of the end of crappy freemail providers and their overzealous spam filtering. And it is about time. If you run an RFC complaint MTA

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On 11/21/2017 08:20 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > Strict RFC compliance is very simple: Which explains why virtually every email client on mobile devices is unable to send email that complies with the relevant RFCs. Using RFC-compliance as a spam detection tool is useful, because it eliminates

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 21 November 2017 at 11:42, Warren Young wrote: > On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva > wrote: >> >> But the mailers I use (Gmail’s web interface, Apple Mail and (yuck) Outlook) >> all do basic threading. > > I’d describe what Apple

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 21 November 2017 at 06:30, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: >> Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite >> email as 'not spam' > > I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a

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Sqlite had a forum in the past on Nabble. Seems nice to me, I still get several hits to nabble when googling for sqlite issues. What didn't work there? -SK On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > Strict RFC compliance is very simple: We await your patch, then. :) > And checking SPF is pretty useful as well. But not DKIM, which solves the same problem as SPF, but with strong crypto so it can’t be MITM’d? DKIM

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 22/11/2017 01:30, Richard Hipp wrote: On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite email as 'not spam' I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now. Nothing has changed with

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > This is what drh does. We’re fans because he does it well. drh + djb = bliss? ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > I think what we are seeing is the beginning of the end of email as a viable > communication medium. Nonsense. Email is one of these cockroach technologies: it will survive us all. > I really need to come up with an

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

t;boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young >>Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 12:43 >>To: SQLite mailing list >>Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM >> >>On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva >><peter.dasi...@flight

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

nt: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 12:43 >To: SQLite mailing list >Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM > >On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva ><peter.dasi...@flightaware.com> wrote: >> >> But the mailers I use (Gmail’s web interface, Apple

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

I vote to keep mailing list. It works great for me with GMail (accessible from all my devices instantly) Reasons: 1. GMail has a threaded view built-in which works great. You might need to enable it in settings. 2. I doubt if any spam filter can ever be better than Gmail's. Spam fighting is not

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Warren Young wrote: > > As far as I can tell, the only really hard part is the email gatewaying > problem, evidenced by the fact that Fossil still doesn’t have a feature to > echo commits, ticket changes, etc. via email. “Every program

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva wrote: > > But the mailers I use (Gmail’s web interface, Apple Mail and (yuck) Outlook) > all do basic threading. I’d describe what Apple Mail and Gmail do as “clumping” rather than “threading.” I think we can all

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

In the UK we’ve still got a threaded conferencing service called CIX must be over 30 years old now (it was based on BIX / Cosy). The joke is it’s the UKs oldest online social network :) Another vote for a threaded forum here. I do try and keep up with the ML but if it was threaded it would be a

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

7 12:24 PM To: SQLite mailing list Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM On 11/21/17, 11:21 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Warren Young" <sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org on behalf of war...@etr-usa.com> wrote: > You don’t get proper threading wi

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 2017-11-21 6:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite email as 'not spam' I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now. Nothing has changed with

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

IMO, the additional functionality provided doesn't outweigh yet another niche and individual forum I need to log into that can potentially end up being hacked. Its another thing Richard (et all) has to maintain and update. On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Paul Sanderson <

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 11/21/17, 11:21 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Warren Young" wrote: > You don’t get proper threading with the current ticket comment system, but > both mailers I use these days lack that feature, as do most forum

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:52 AM, Dominique Devienne wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > >> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list. Perhaps >> some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed. > >

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: >> Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite >> email as 'not spam' > > I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a

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What about some sort of poll. Mail lists might work but the additonal functionality offered by a forum (I am a member of many) makes them my choice. Paul www.sandersonforensics.com skype: r3scue193 twitter: @sandersonforens Tel +44 (0)1326 572786

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I’m a mailing list fan, too. Reddit I use for yucks only. On 11/21/17, 10:48 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Stephen Chrzanowski" wrote: All in all, just please, oh PLEASE stay away from redit I will not

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All in all, just please, oh PLEASE stay away from redit I will not ever go there. I got BANNED for a first post question that included an example to clarify what I was looking for. Nothing nasty, nothing ignorant, it was a technical question about something or other, and out to the curb I

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 21.11.2017 17:30 John McKown wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ < > william.dr...@l3t.com> wrote: > >>> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list. >>> Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed. >>> -- >>> D.

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 2017/11/21 6:30 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote: //... I consider that there is no such thing as a "false positive". Either the sending MTA is a properly configured RFC compliant Internet host with a properly configured MTA, or I do not want to accept communications from it. If it is properly

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On 11/21/17, 10:30 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Keith Medcalf" wrote: > I simply tell those people that they either (a) fix their systems or (b) use > snail-mail. Takes care of the problem entirely. I am

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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ < william.dr...@l3t.com> wrote: > > I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list. > > Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed. > > -- > > D. Richard Hipp > > d...@sqlite.org > > Please,

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--- The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. On Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 09:06, Peter Da Silva wrote: >On 11/21/17, 9:59 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Keith Medcalf"

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> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list. > Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed. > -- > D. Richard Hipp > d...@sqlite.org Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I don't think checking into a forum to stay

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 11/21/17, 9:59 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Keith Medcalf" wrote: > If you run an RFC complaint MTA then there is really very little problem with > SPAM at all -- I have many connections per second rejected for

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Il giorno 21 novembre 2017, alle ore 15:30, Richard Hipp ha scritto: >On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: >> Coincidence!  I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite >> email as 'not spam' >I've been seeing mailing list emails

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

age- >From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users- >boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Wout Mertens >Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 08:26 >To: SQLite mailing list >Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM > >Discourse has a mailing-list mode you can

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

sqlite-users- >boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Richard Hipp >Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 07:31 >To: SQLite mailing list >Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM > >On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson <sandersonforens...@gmail.com> wrote: >>

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

I greatly prefer e-mail, too. It's a shame mailing lists run afoul of SPF and usually DKIM, and doubly so that ARC is unlikely to be of much help. I abhor Discourse, so it's depressing for me that it's so popular. Alas... On November 21, 2017 10:16:24 AM EST, Stephen Chrzanowski

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Discourse has a mailing-list mode you can enable, which will send you all posts (I presume, I never tried it) The default setup sends you interesting new topics at an interval of your choosing. What I like very much about Discourse: - great engagement - easy following of only those topics

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

I love the email methodology, and I'd honestly be sad to see it go. But if GMail is causing the mischaracterization of the mail, maybe just a note on the sqlite.org home page that directs people on how to whitelist the mailing list? I'm indifferent to the forum idea, but, so long the forum

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 11/21/17, 8:52 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Dominique Devienne" wrote: > After re-inventing database and source-control, forum software next? :) I > have no doubt it would be lean, fast, SQLite-based, in C

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: > > Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of > SQLite > > email as 'not spam' > > I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 21 Nov 2017, at 2:30pm, Richard Hipp wrote: > I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list. > Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed. If we’re to end up with a chat-based system then I’d prefer Discord. I can’t recommend a

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

I know it can't be expected of users, but, I've setup GMail to whitelist anything coming from the mail list. GMail tells me that the message should have gone to spam, but because of a rule, yadda yadda. On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 11/21/17, Paul

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote: > Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite > email as 'not spam' I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now. Nothing has changed with MailMan. I think what we are seeing is

Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite email as 'not spam' Paul www.sandersonforensics.com skype: r3scue193 twitter: @sandersonforens Tel +44 (0)1326 572786 http://sandersonforensics.com/forum/content.php?195-SQLite-Forensic-Toolkit -Forensic Toolkit for SQLite

[sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM

Just FYI. Not sure if something changed on the mailer's settings. Possibly/likely linked to GMail changing it's SPAM heuristics I guess. --DD ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org