RE: [biofuels-biz] Good to read!

2003-05-01 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
Sorry, Looks like I shouldv'e pasted the article with the link. Steven DAILY NEWS : GRAINS AND CROPPING Grain, canola and sugar-cane to fuel biofuel growth By Alan Dick Wednesday, 4 September 2002 A successful biofuel industry based on contracted growing of canola, grain and sugar

[biofuels-biz] Radiator Mess

2003-05-01 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi, Maybe this one is interesting for you, Radiator Mess! Radiator Designs and use. http://energy.saving.nu/comfort/radmess.shtml Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/

Re: [biofuels-biz] Good to read!

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
Looks like someone has realized something! http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=11172 Regards Steven It says you have to be a member. What's it about Steven? Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your

Re: [biofuels-biz] Good to read!

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
DAILY NEWS : GRAINS AND CROPPING Grain, canola and sugar-cane to fuel biofuel growth By Alan Dick Wednesday, 4 September 2002 A successful biofuel industry based on contracted growing of canola, grain and sugar cane would have the potential to re-invigorate rural

[biofuels-biz] Fwd: Canola or Soya Oil

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
Fwd from the Biodiesel list, FYI - reply direct, he's not a member here. Keith To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: mentamove2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:03:10 - Subject: [Biodiesel] Canola or Soya Oil Dear friend we need about 3.000 Tons of the Canola Or Soya oil per month, for

RE: [biofuels-biz] Good to read!

2003-05-01 Thread Steven Helen Hobbs
Thanks Steve. Sorry, I shouldv'e pasted the article with the link regards Steven -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:39 AM To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Good to read! DAILY NEWS : GRAINS AND

[biofuel] 1.9 vw diesel without turbo

2003-05-01 Thread Stanley Baer
Remember someone asking about putting a VW diesel engine in a Japanese pickup. That was me and I put a 1.6 litre diesel out of a 86 Golf in a 92 Isuzu 4X4 pickup. My problem is that the thing is terribly underpowered, I can't get it over a 100 km/hour on a flat road. Hills are a big

[biofuel] Fwd: hybrids/hydrogen/emissions/impact

2003-05-01 Thread Sam Clarkson
Dear friends and fellow plant fuel advocates, This is a letter I wrote this morning and edited appropriately for the following legislators, as well as the San Jose Mercury News. please take five minutes to edit it yourself and send it to whoever you think needs to hear it. sam [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

2003-05-01 Thread paul van den bergen
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:08 am, Steve Spence wrote: For the next 6 months, we will be collecting rain water for drinking and washing. We will be collecting heat from the sun and from a wood fire. We will cook with wood. We will generate electricity from the sun and wind for lights,

Re: [biofuel] yurts

2003-05-01 Thread paul van den bergen
On Thu, 1 May 2003 01:15 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength independent of any need for a foundation. They are also stackable, so ground space can be conserved if

[biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread paul van den bergen
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst? -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 And some run up hill and down

[biofuel] land rover diesel conversion

2003-05-01 Thread Josh Cohen
hi all, so just as i give up on my hunt for a diesel engine for my 97 land rover d-90, i come across a 86 Iveco liquid cooled Fiat, direct injected, turbo diesel from an 1986 iveco truck for 1000 bucks. It is in good condition complete with injection pump, turbo, and starter ready to run.

Re: [biofuel] Energy use in buildings was: 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

2003-05-01 Thread martin
Yes, it is a high figure, but everyone i know wears their seatbelt when they get in a vehicle. It is not secondary. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ paul van den bergen wrote: Do we all agree that it is too high a figure? aside: about 2 years ago

Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread martin
paul van den bergen wrote: Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst? Paul, There isn't a true catalyst in the reaction. The sodium methoxide which is added is partially used up in the

Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread paul van den bergen
On Thu, 1 May 2003 03:46 pm, martin wrote: paul van den bergen wrote: Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst? Paul, There isn't a true catalyst in the reaction. The sodium methoxide which is

Re: [biofuel] Energy use in buildings was: 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

2003-05-01 Thread desertstallion
The earlier statistic of deaths per total population was worthless and a complete non-starter for conversation. It would have no relevance. To take it to an extreme, put the billion plus Chinese in the denominator, most of who don't have cars and have never driven. It would make it look like

Re: [biofuel] Energy use in buildings was: 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

2003-05-01 Thread desertstallion
IIRC the airbags on US cars require an impact of around 20-25 mph. So...I think they are roughly the same as what you are stating for Australia - roughly 30 kph. Most of the deaths and injuries associated with airbags were in front seat passengers, especially children, incorrectly placed in

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
sorry, it was Madsen who claimed it. according to the article the pope thinks that the Bush Administration knew about the 9-11 attack beforehand. Incorrect, How do you know that? I'm not saying they did, and not saying you're wrong, but maybe we could use just a little more than your usual

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Appal Energy
I'm afraid that an apology is in order on my part relative to this thread. The previous (not so cute) one line snippet grossly detracted from the seriousness of the concerns Wayne Madsen expressed http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/042803_vatican.html If in any way the stupid one line

I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
If you asked me, I would say that 'ol GWB not only knew about the 9/11 beforehand guys ... but in reality caused it. No, I have absolutely, positively NO proof. It is a statement I make .. only from the chill I get up my spine when I hear reports that ... I think a YEAR before 9/11 .. some

Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Kim Garth Travis
Actually it was Clinton that knew something was being planned, it was in the news just after Sept. 11th. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:04 AM 5/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: If you asked me, I would say that 'ol GWB not only knew about the 9/11 beforehand guys ... but in reality caused it. No, I

Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread desertstallion
Well, you admit you don't know anything. And, Steve speaks up like he knows, but in reality he doesn't know anything either, or at least he hasn't proven that he knows what he says he knows. And, this started because someone writes an article that they think they know what the Pope knows about

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
One doesn't dig through a garbage can looking for a good piece of sandwich. Most of the article was garbage, so I composted the whole thing. Of course, the title of the article set the tone, so I shouldn't have been surprised. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter

Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
That's ok, Madsen had no proof either. But because he's a journalist, we are supposed to believe him Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message

Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
http://jbcs.sbq.org.br/jbcs/1998/vol9_n3/30.pdf Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com

[biofuel] Re: I think Bush pressed the button

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
Ok, I concede that I look at our Government ... not as blocks of Administrations ... but rather as one-long connected history of one-long corporation. The only difference being a change in CEO. When I made the comment of it was 'Bush' that whatever what I really meant (to

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Tom Tibbits
One doesn't dig through a garbage can looking for a good piece of sandwich. Most of the article was garbage, so I composted the whole thing. Of course, the title of the article set the tone, so I shouldn't have been surprised. Well indeed! From now on, it'll make it easier to sort through my

Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

2003-05-01 Thread Frederick E. Finch
Greg, Are you looking for anything in particular? I do some small scale bio-remediation using straw and sawdust/shavings to grow mushrooms, it then becomes compost for my garden. The sawdust is something I like better because I can get as much as I want for free. I need to pay for the

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Andrew Preston
This looks like the 'Talk' article referred to by Madsen. http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nr080999.html Andrew Preston On Thu, 1 May 2003 06:24:52 -0500, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm afraid that an apology is in order on my part relative to this thread. The previous (not

[biofuel] Radiator Mess

2003-05-01 Thread Hakan Falk
Hi, Maybe this one is interesting for you, Radiator Mess! Radiator Designs and use. http://energy.saving.nu/comfort/radmess.shtml Hakan ** If you want to take a look on a project that is very close to my heart, go to: http://energysavingnow.com/

Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread Ken Provost
Paul writes: Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst? See http://jbcs.sbq.org.br/jbcs/1998/vol9_n3/30.pdf for a pretty complete description of both acid- and base-catalyzed mechanisms. -K

Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

2003-05-01 Thread Greg and April
I been trying to collect info on it and it's usage on the small scale, ever since I read a book Slovinia ( I think it was called ) that mentioned it. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Frederick E. Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 07:03

Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

2003-05-01 Thread Josh Cohen
fred, what type of mushrooms are you using to remediate, and what is it that your remediating? sorry if i came in kinda late on this one but was just curious. josh - Original Message - From: Frederick E. Finch To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:03 AM

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: hybrids/hydrogen/emissions/impact

2003-05-01 Thread Darryl McMahon
Your statement Batteries are a toxic reality all in and of themselves is inflammatory within the context of your letter, which requests support for biofuels, but does not address any toxicity issues associated with biofuels. No technology is without its drawbacks. Even nature itself has a

Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst? -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] IM:bulwynkl2002 And some run up hill and down dale,

Re: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

2003-05-01 Thread Icarus Solem
Hello Martin, Thanks for clarifying that. If the best way to store electricity is in battery systems (of course a solar plant would run only during daylight, but peak demand is generally in the evenings - not that the local habit of TV addiction helps..) then I imagine that the main systems

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
One doesn't dig through a garbage can looking for a good piece of sandwich. Most of the article was garbage, so I composted the whole thing. Of course, the title of the article set the tone, so I shouldn't have been surprised. Okay, Steve, we now know beyond any doubt or further discussion that

Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
snip Oh, and btw, KEITH .. good to be back!! You're welcome Curtis, nice yo hear from you again. :-) Best Keith Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Spence: according to the

Re: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

2003-05-01 Thread Icarus Solem
Hello, It seems that the same is true for charging a battery system, only in this case you are working against the electric potential of the battery cell, instead of the mechanical potential of the pressurized system. If a hydrogen tank is initially empty, it takes more energy per unit to fill

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
whatever Keith. It's pointless to debate this stuff. I'm not even going to try. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
Thank you. I'm honored. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom Tibbits [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May

Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts

2003-05-01 Thread Icarus Solem
On Thu, 1 May 2003, paul van den bergen wrote: Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst? Hello, Here is a good pdf file I found some time ago that covers the base- and acid- catalyzed hydrolysis

Re: [biofuel] living with less, an experiment in minimalism

2003-05-01 Thread Frederick E. Finch
I have been playing with woodchips contaminated with oil and gasoline. The experiment that I have been working with came from a project that Paul Stamets has been doing. See: http://fungi.com/mycotech/mycova.html So far the strain of oyster mushroom that I have will eat just about anything.

Re: [biofuel] Fwd: hybrids/hydrogen/emissions/impact

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Sam Good effort, good for you. A couple of comments... Dear friends and fellow plant fuel advocates, This is a letter I wrote this morning and edited appropriately for the following legislators, as well as the San Jose Mercury News. please take five minutes to edit it yourself and send it

Re: [biofuel] 42,850 Traffic Deaths in 2002

2003-05-01 Thread Hakan Falk
At 10:23 AM 5/1/2003 +1000, you wrote: On Thu, 1 May 2003 09:50 am, Hakan Falk wrote: Dear John, I think we can discuss which type of statistics that is the right one and the truth is that it is no single one that give a complete picture. Do we all agree that it is too high a figure?

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Keith Addison
whatever Keith. It's pointless to debate this stuff. I'm not even going to try. It wouldn't be pointless if you actually went so far as to debate it, but you've never even come close - label and dismiss is all. That's not debate Steve, you have to do more than just declaim, get it all wrong

Re: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

2003-05-01 Thread Darryl McMahon
When charging a deep-cycle battery, it does not take any more energy (in watt- hours) to put in the tenth kilowatt-hour than it did to put in the first kilowatt- hour (assuming at capacity somewhat larger than 10 kWh). It may take a higher voltage (potential difference) to continue the

Re: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Appal Energy
So if a restaurant calls knockwurst animal guts, you won't eat it? If one doesn't like the movie trailer, you won't see the movie, even if all your best friends rave about it? Personal discretion or choice is a wonderful thing, but that doesn't make something what you think or would like others

Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Appal Energy
But you err with what you present. There is proof of Graham's shoe in. There is overburdening proof of most of what he wrote. But you want to throw the baby out with the bath water? That's one fine way to keep the masses from learning any truth. Deceptive and unprincipled, but effective. Todd

Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Appal Energy
Superb circlespeak squire! :-) Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: Re: I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult Well, you admit you don't know

RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

2003-05-01 Thread kirk
but voltage is not energy -- P=EI That says it is. Kirk -Original Message- From: Darryl McMahon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:38 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland

[biofuel] What little I know. Was: I think Bush pressed the button

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
hahahahahahahaha!!! That's good!! But seriously though ... you're right ... I do not know too much. But over the years there is only ONE conclusion that I think I can say I reasonably ... KNOW. They are: 1. All is not what it seems. 2. Bush .. or any other President for that matter

Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread Darryl McMahon
Sorry to quibble, but voltage is potential difference, which implies a capacity to do work but it is not energy. When current is flowing (amps), work is being done, and that is energy. Volts x amps = watts. Energy is measured in watts, not volts. So, let's consider the power equation,

High Energy Density = naturally some hazards Was: [biofuel] Fwd: hybrids/hydrogen/emissions/impact

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
In my mind .. I just simply look at the requirements of an automobile. People expect it to have maximum leg and trunk room which leaves little room for the fuel tank and engine. People also expect it to accelerate from zero to 60 in 5. This high-power requirement... combined with the

Re: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
Energy is the ability to do work, while power is the rate at which work is done. Power is a time average of energy (energy per unit time). 1 kW is energy 1 kWh is power Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology:

Re: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
Thinking about for awhile Yes, as the battery is given a higher and higher voltage (while maintaining a constant current, that's the key) ... yes ... more energy/power is flowing. If in doubt ... consider this: 1 foot of resistance wire ... takes (for example) 1 amp flowing through it to make

In defense of Steve Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
In a way, I kinda feel sorry for Steve. I think the only thing Steve does wrong (if you wanna call it that) is that he does not begin each sentence with Well, in my opinion . . It's probably something he means ... but simply neglects to say. In MY head, I simply add the missing in my

Re: In defense of Steve Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Steve Spence
My problem is that anti war/anti government/anti Christian (not related to each other, I just threw them in there) posts do bug me. I'll work on that. In the future I will endeavor to add IMHO to the beginning of each post, if everyone else does as well. If you agree with me, fine, if you don't

RE: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread kirk
There is no power (energy) until there is current (amps). -- And there is no power until there is voltage. It is expressed as the product of quantity of electrons (current) and the electromotive force producing the current (voltage). But when you say the first unit of

Re: In defense of Steve Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult

2003-05-01 Thread Appal Energy
Wrinkle away Steve. That is yours and everyone's prerogative. But it would be nice if you intermittantly offered rationale rather than only wrinkles. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:53

Re: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread Darryl McMahon
First, my apologies for using power and energy somewhat interchangeably. Shifting precision up from common usage to scientific usage. Steve, I believe you have the units for power and energy reversed. In the Power Equation (P=EI), P (power) is measured in watts, not watt-hours. Power - ability

RE: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread Darryl McMahon
Trying again. kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no power (energy) until there is current (amps). -- And there is no power until there is voltage. It is expressed as the product of quantity of electrons (current) and the electromotive force producing the

Re: Voltage (was: RE: [biofuel] World's first hydrogen service station opens in Iceland)

2003-05-01 Thread csakima
Stray Comment I think though, that if the current drops (as the battery charges) ... that the battery will charge slower and slower. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] A watt-hour is a

Re: [biofuel] yurts

2003-05-01 Thread Doug Foskey
On Thu, 1 May 2003 10:55, you wrote: On Thu, 1 May 2003 01:15 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered using 20 foot ISO containers for shelter. I like the fact that containers have their own internal strength independent of any need for a foundation. They are also stackable,