Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-15 Thread Ramon
Jason, Shouldn't you factor in some sort of labor cost even if you make the BD yourself (ie, how long would it take to make and how much would you pay someone, in this case yourself, to make it)? is there no other overhead in addition to the cost of the fuel? what about fixed overhead (cost of

Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????

2005-10-15 Thread bob allen
I live in Arkansas,US of A, so it is the third world, except we have a nucular reactor. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob, You mean people heating their water with electricity aren't using flow limiting shower heads. Why I'm shocked to hear this. You must be talking about people who live in the

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hi Jim I use Lab grade Lye that is in pellets not grains like Red Devil. Please give us newbies a few possible sources, this is a tease. It takes more time to dissolve but I use a magnetic mixer so the reaction is in an air tight container and can be left for however long while i do other things.

Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????

2005-10-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Hoo pig, Soooeee! My family hails from NW Arkansas. bob allen wrote: I live in Arkansas,US of A, so it is the third world, except we have a nucular reactor. Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob, You mean people heating their water with electricity aren't using flow limiting shower heads. Why I'm

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Where do you buy it? JJJN wrote: Hi Rafal, I use Lab grade Lye that is in pellets not grains like Red Devil. It dissolves slower and as a result the reaction producing the heat takes longer. It makes Great Bio and seems to stay translucent longer (not carbonated). It does not get hot

[Biofuel] Cleanliness is next to Oddliness

2005-10-15 Thread Mike Weaver
DC. In the Summer I almost always take a quick shower. I usually use Castile soap - trying to see how hard it is to make. It costs a fortune. Anyone ever make liquid Castile soap? -Mike Kurt Nolte wrote: On 10/14/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.Only on weeks where I do

[Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...

2005-10-15 Thread Mike Weaver
Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I

[Biofuel] Resource windfall!

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
I was rooting around under the house recently, trying to find a rumored stockpile of materials left over from when we built the house, and lo and behold I found it. Or something that pretended to be it, at least. I now have, in my possession, some severaldozen feet of copper piping, elbows,

Re: [Biofuel] Resource windfall!

2005-10-15 Thread des
I've gotten a couple of submersible pump ends (heads?) from a well drilling outfit that regularly replaces pumps that die after getting hit by lightning. Only the motor dies, and they had a pile for me to hunt through. Didn't notice anything for above ground, since that wasn't what I was

[Biofuel] How to make the biodiesel production with acid catalyst quickly?

2005-10-15 Thread tcltool
The process is much slow than alkali catalyst,how can i short the reaction time?thanks! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to

[Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-15 Thread Greg and April
Prototype 42 hp Engine 6 inches dia. 6 inches long 42 hp at 7000 rpm 40lbs. Tested at NAVAIR PSEF Oct. 2003 http://www.regtech.com/18.html Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing

2005-10-15 Thread Ken Dunn
Hi all, Still gathering my parts for my processor. I found a 1 inch clear water pump that I'm going to use only for transferring the oil. I don't know if anyone has a Habitat for Humanity store near them but, they always have a bunch of motors and pumps at the one near me. Unfortunately, I

Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter

2005-10-15 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Doug, Robert Hi Robert: I've used red clover as a cover crop in the fall. It doesn't grow too much, fixes a little nitrogen, and is relatively easy to turn over in the spring. I have not tried using clover for an entire growing season but I don't see why it wouldn't work. The red

Re: [Biofuel] Resource windfall!

2005-10-15 Thread Keith Addison
I was rooting around under the house recently, trying to find a rumored stockpile of materials left over from when we built the house, and lo and behold I found it. Or something that pretended to be it, at least. I now have, in my possession, some several dozen feet of copper piping, elbows,

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread Rafal Szczesniak
On Sat, Oct 15, 2005 at 07:00:21AM -0600, Brian Rodgers wrote: Brian, I will Google Magnetic mixer but an explanation from you would be great too. What is? Where to find? Standard lab equipment? Etc. It sounds pretty damn cool. It sounds like a great new toy, but believe me - you don't

[Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hi biodieselers I am here with my wife in our kitchen working on our first titration of WVO. We have determined through heating a sample of WVO that no water is present. We have found a soil test kit that has several types of litmus paper. We did several tests of the litmus to determine if it was

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hi It sounds like a great new toy, but believe me - you don't really need magnetic mixer to prepare methoxide solution :) If you want to play I think you are right. If you can take a look at a post I just sent under a modified thread name [biofuel] methoxide solution- missing scale you will see

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
Hey Brian I've run into problems with measuring lye myself, and ultimately managed to work out a loose but somewhat workable way to measure out the lye by volume. It produced some of my best results to date, too, so I think I'm safe to share it with yas. Sodium Hydroxide has a density of 2.1

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Great thanks Kurt This is what we were looking for. We even attempted to find the specific gravity of lye, but that didn't pan out. It was getting too complicated for us. A trip to town would be simpler we figured. On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Brian I've run into

Re: [Biofuel] Resource windfall!

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
Copper and vegetable oil: I'm not so worried about the copper but what the copper does to the fuel. Did you ever check what happened toyour fuel properties like oxidation stability and acid value? A lotof research has been done in Germany on VO (and biodiesel) fuelproperties, and who I consider as

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
Not a problem, I encourage sharing experiences and tricks. Like I said, I had some of my best results to date on test batches using this method, a nice good clear yellow color top layer and a smooth separation, and it's so far washed very nicely. At least you don't also have to contend with 76%

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Yeah I too am getting into this sharing of information, although I don't know squat worth sharing yet. On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not a problem, I encourage sharing experiences and tricks. Like I said, I had some of my best results to date on test batches using this

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do recall that that ambient humidity messes with the methoxidemixing. Should I wait until the rain quits to continue with the experiment? Lye is hygroscopic; it absorbs water quite readily. Yeah, I'd suggest waiting for it to quit raining, as

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Ok very cool I just might try it now and close everything up tight while working. Brian Rodgers On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do recall that that ambient humidity messes with the methoxide mixing. Should I wait

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok very cool I just might try it now and close everything up tightwhile working.Brian Rodgers Best of luck to ya, once more. And now I need to get back to work before they decided I'm not earning my pay. ;p -Kurt

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
It sounds like a great new toy, but believe me - you don't really need magnetic mixer to prepare methoxide solution :) If you want to playwith it, that's a different matter, but it's quite enough to use ordinary thick plastic HDPE bottle carefully swirling it. It takesa bit of time, but hydroxide

Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter

2005-10-15 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Hello Doug, Robert Hello Keith! Lots about sq ft gardens here: http://journeytoforever.org/garden.html Organic gardening Aw, come on! You mean I don't have to sterilize my soil first, then pile on a bunch of mineral supplements, herbicides and

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread JJJN
Hi Brian, A magnetic mixer is just a small DC motor that is variable speed that rotates a STRONG magnet under a platform. You then place in the jug PVC or Polyethylene coated Magnets and screw the lid on. Turn on the mixer and its like a blender inside. If you do use Red devil lye it can get

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
You know, reading that and several other concepts and proven designs has put an idea into my head. I was doing some library research earlier today, and stumbled across the Deltic opposed piston engines. I looked into those, and was just utterly floored. Like, whoa. is what the guy sitting beside

Re: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing

2005-10-15 Thread francisco j burgos
Dear Mr. Dunn: certainly you are not the only one that can make good use of such tables or calculations. Hope some body can share info... Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005

[Biofuel] Start Up Problems

2005-10-15 Thread Peter Currie
G'day group it is with great embarrassment that l have my first post. For 3 months l have been doing test batches (lost Count how many) and still cannot past shake test. Methanol - From a drag racers 44 gallon drum - best apparently Lye - Tiny pearls 99+ - fresh - then flake Oil -

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-15 Thread Kirk Thibault
Geek on! http://www.intertrader.net/ptfdeltic.htm kirk On Oct 15, 2005, at 9:28 PM, Kurt Nolte wrote: You know, reading that and several other concepts and proven designs has put an idea into my head. I was doing some library research earlier today, and stumbled across the Deltic

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-15 Thread Zeke Yewdall
http://www.dair.co.uk/ Two cylinder, four piston, horizontally opposed diesel engine for airplanes. I want one of these for my car, but they're too pricey as of yet. On 10/15/05, Kirk Thibault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geek on! http://www.intertrader.net/ptfdeltic.htm kirk On Oct 15,

Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems

2005-10-15 Thread Kurt Nolte
Something I keep hitting over and over in all my prelim test batches (Still haven't made one any bigger than a liter...): How's your humidity, and are you absolutely certain that your weights for the lye are accurate? I was having some huge problems with emulsions on a shake test, and with the

Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...

2005-10-15 Thread JJJN
Hi Mike, I am responding to this post as a matter curious interest. I wonder if this country would be in better shape if there were no such thing as the Party system. For example, I have steadily been drifting apart from any affiliation and instead just looking at the issues, hearing out and

Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems

2005-10-15 Thread Chris
Everything sounds good, although perhaps you could use 2.5 gms lye. You never say that you pull off the biodiesel from the glycerol though. It is so obvious that you may have not mentioned it. But, if you are not doing it, that's it. What does the biodiesel look like after separation?

Re: [Biofuel] Cleaning 44 G Drums

2005-10-15 Thread Zeke Yewdall
My drums have come with palm oil and stuff so it hasn't been an issue, but I have used biodiesel for cleaning other stuff covered with petroleum oil products and it works good. You'll end with some engine-oil contaminated biodiesel, which can be diluted and used as fuel, if you don't mind a

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
The rain has stopped and the skies are clearing Tomorrow is another day. Thanks for all your help. Brian Rodgers On 10/15/05, Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/15/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok very cool I just might try it now and close everything up tight while

Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...

2005-10-15 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I saw an analysis somewhere before the last election, which pointed out that the two parties in the US are really made up several factions that really have little in common. For example the Republican party is made up of fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and neo-cons/war hawks. These

Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter

2005-10-15 Thread Chris Tan
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] noryl impellers

2005-10-15 Thread Chris Tan
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] noryl impellers

2005-10-15 Thread Chris Tan
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Getting Ready for Winter

2005-10-15 Thread Chris Tan
Keith and Everyone: Have any of you tried a clear water pump with noryl plastic impellers? Will esters dissolve noryl plastics? Thanks. Best regards, Chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-15 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thanks for the replies Yes the magnetic mixer as you both describe does sound like something I could build. At the moment I better focus on the basics. I need to work on my lab skill. Today we found out a ton of science associated with biodiesel. Lots more info sunk in as we actually do this

Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll

2005-10-15 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
There is not much we, as consumers do about the price gouging, except perhaps to use less oil. Not just in your cars, but by using less energy overall. As Mike already pointed out, President Carter wore a sweater around the White House and turned the thermostat down. But turning off lights