Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-04 Thread paul van den bergen
look up the IP address and do it that way... I believe it is http://213.30.180.219/ it looks like a DNS entry problem... deliberate or otherwise it is a relatively easy thing to achieve from outside... e.g. if you actually knew what you were doing you could actually close the site down very

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-04 Thread Andrew Preston
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 17:49:17 +1000, paul van den bergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: the previous IP address reaches the non-english (arabic) site... http://213.30.180.219/english give the correct redirect to the english language version... -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread vern_hendershott
Hi Keith, It's well known that CNN and Fox news will give you a slanted, incomplete and unbalanced picture, very much toeing the (war)party line. Yes we both agree that CNN and FOX are not the best source of information and that one always has to check, as best they can, information

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Vern Hi Keith, It's well known that CNN and Fox news will give you a slanted, incomplete and unbalanced picture, very much toeing the (war)party line. Yes we both agree that CNN and FOX are not the best source of information and that one always has to check, as best they can, information

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7524 Honesty: The Worst Policy When Telling The Truth Will Get You Fired From The Networks Doug Ireland is a New York-based media critic and commentator. When NBC -- which is owned by General Electric, a prime military-industrial complex contractor --

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Preston
Vern Re: The BBC I watch the BBC regularly here in UK. To get some idea of the level of bias both on it, and certainly the other UK terrestrial stations (I don't have access to satellite), I mentally note the frequency of 'us' 'our' 'we' amongst the various presenters, reporters, interviewers,

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread vern_hendershott
Hi Andrew, You make a very good point. It is sad that we all around the world can not get fair and balanced reporting of the news so that the individual can think and form their own thoughts on any given issue. I have found to their credit that BBC does seem to do a better job on issues

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Preston
Re: Censorship... Funny, I've been trying all week to access the new Al Jazeera english language site.. http://english.aljazeera.net without success. I was aware that the site had been the subject of repeated hacker, and denial of service attacks, sI hadn't taken a close look at the error

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Andrew Al-Jazeera's English site seems to have been taken offline following the hacking - I got there once, not again. Same message as you got. Hm. Anyway, there's these: http://www.cursor.org/aljazeera.htm Cursor's Al-Jazeera Link Interesting home page too: http://www.cursor.org/

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread martin
Andrew Preston wrote: Re: Censorship... Funny, I've been trying all week to access the new Al Jazeera english language site.. http://english.aljazeera.net without success. I was aware that the site had been the subject of repeated hacker, and denial of service attacks, sI hadn't taken a

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Gary Gluyas
I tried the link from New Zealand, and all I got was a blank screen, so you got further than I did! Kiwi Gary - Original Message - From: martin To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq Andrew

Aljazeera English site was Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Appal Energy
- From: Gary Gluyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq I tried the link from New Zealand, and all I got was a blank screen, so you got further than I did! Kiwi Gary - Original Message

Al-Jazeera etc - was Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Keith Addison
* The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera news network's attempts to set up an English-language website were foiled by unidentified U.S.-based hackers who launched a denial-of-service attack. Al-Jazeera is expected to try to relaunch its site in mid-April. The station's reporters also had their press

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Doug Foskey
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003 01:35, you wrote: Re: Censorship... Funny, I've been trying all week to access the new Al Jazeera english language site.. http://english.aljazeera.net without success. I was aware that the site had been the subject of repeated hacker, and denial of service attacks, sI

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread greg
makes you wonder why iraq kicked out some of there reporters -Original Message- From: martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq Andrew Preston wrote: Re

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-02 Thread Keith Addison
Andrew, I made no slur on the so called 'usual suspects' of 'Lefties', 'pinkos', 'Arab-lovers', 'pro-Castro'. I only sent along for the group to review an article that had some interesting information in it. If the opposition is as wide and deep as you indicate that it is then we would see much

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-02 Thread vern_hendershott
Hi Keith, Just to use the material you provided as an example of what I see it indicates that hundreds of thousands of people are demonstrating. For this I will except that but I have not seen that on CNN or Fox news the only USA news services we get here in Riyadh. So hundreds of thousands

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-02 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Vern It's well known that CNN and Fox news will give you a slanted, incomplete and unbalanced picture, very much toeing the (war)party line. Studies showing that have been posted here, I guess you didn't read them. The same applies to US mainstream media in general - again, much info on

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Hakan Falk
Vern, For me, one human life is important and I do not like any number game. Terror bombing is for me a crime against humanity. Preemptive aggression is disgusting, with or without numbers and cannot have any valid excuses. I can not accept collateral damages at all and those are caused by the

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Andrew Preston
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 14:53:54 +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am sure some here will find this of interest. Not really. Only the blind, or those who don't wish to see, can have failed to realize that the opposition to the assault on Iraq has a constituency far wider, and deeper,

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread vern_hendershott
Hakan, I do agree with your position but we see lots of press about the people who are killed by the military action and a lot less about the ones who are being killed by their own government in Iraq. They also count and being killed for no reason by your own government would seem to be a

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread vern_hendershott
Andrew, I made no slur on the so called 'usual suspects' of 'Lefties', 'pinkos', 'Arab-lovers', 'pro-Castro'. I only sent along for the group to review an article that had some interesting information in it. If the opposition is as wide and deep as you indicate that it is then we would see

[biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Keith Addison
I am sure some here will find this of interest. Vern Hm, yes, interesting... only: The truth about casualties ... it isn't, it's warped. This is a lot better, and more interesting: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15509 Not a Pretty Picture By Rami Khouri, Pacific News Service

Re: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Steve Spence
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq . This is a lot better, and more interesting: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15509 Not a Pretty Picture By Rami Khouri, Pacific News Service March 31, 2003 BEIRUT, Lebanon

[biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Keith Addison
I am sure some here will find this of interest. Vern Mr Leo says: The news agencies of our chief non-allies--France, Russia, China, and Germany--were quick off the mark. Agence France Presse may have established Let's try to get this straight - your chief non-allies are the entire world with

[biofuel] Re: more coverage of Iraq

2003-04-01 Thread Keith Addison
I am sure some here will find this of interest. Vern And all this other stuff just doesn't matter, eh, Vern? Never mind that they're people, and now they're dead? Not important at all? Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs? The bridge of death U.S. Marines killed 12 civilians trying