[Biofuel] Biodiesel question

2014-07-21 Thread Keith Addison
Hi all Sorry I'm not around more (but I still read a lot at the list). I received this email: ... last night I found some discouraging information that suggests that modern diesel cars (from 2007 forward) will have problems with running B100 and furthermore that running B100 is discouraged

[Biofuel] A question of Chinese sovereignty

2013-02-01 Thread Keith Addison
The Philippines takes South China Sea dispute to UN tribunal By Joseph Santolan 31 January 2013 http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/01/31/phil-j31.html --0-- http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/01/31/commentary/a-question-of-chinese-sovereignty/#.UQp0Rtw3dQo A question of Chinese

Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?

2009-07-21 Thread Chip Mefford
Hi Chris, Thanks kindly for your perspective. But I think I've not expressed the concern clearly. Most of the oil is in the sawdust, and on the ground, the nearbyd soil and foliage. As the USFS says Each year, thousands of gallons of oil go into the forest and never come back out. Dino bones are

Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?

2009-07-21 Thread Chip Mefford
Hey Fritz: Thanks kindly for your input. Couple of points, On the economic side of the question, I can argue that. I can put my mill on the site with my Subaru station wagon. (with no trailer) Usually I can walk the mill to the saw logs by myself, and then carry out the lumber by hand to move

Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?

2009-07-21 Thread Chris Burck
Chip wrote: Hi Chris, Hi. :) Most of the oil is in the sawdust, and on the ground, the nearbyd soil and foliage. As the USFS says Each year, thousands of gallons of oil go into the forest and never come back out. Dino bones are clearly a *bad thing* in this context. Interesting. In my

[Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?

2009-07-20 Thread Chip Mefford
In short, I have a small chainsaw powered sawmill. Now, I'll not try to defend the chainsaw as environmentally sensitive, nor sustainable. I'll leave that be for now. But the bit that I'm stuck on right now, is that running this sawmill generates a lot of sawdust. Some folks will argue that

Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?

2009-07-20 Thread Fritz
Chip Mefford wrote: In short, I have a small chainsaw powered sawmill. Now, I'll not try to defend the chainsaw as environmentally sensitive, nor sustainable. I'll leave that be for now. But the bit that I'm stuck on right now, is that running this sawmill generates a lot of sawdust. Some

Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?

2009-07-20 Thread Chris Burck
chip, i can't offer an expert opinion, but i'm happy to offer my perspective. even with the heat and pressure that will occur when making a cut, i really have serious doubts that such conditions are extreme or prolonged enough to alter the oil either (a) much (if at all) beyond what has already

Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-03 Thread Keith Addison
Good Day to all, I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol. Will 90% yield good results or does it have to be 99%?? Isopropanol for titration is available from chemicals suppliers. Some people have used the other kind of Dri-Gas, which is isopropanol, but they found that it's

Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-03 Thread Thomas Kelly
Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie Good Day to all, I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol. Will 90% yield good results or does it have to be 99%?? Isopropanol

Re: [Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-03 Thread Ken Provost
On May 2, 2007, at 5:59 PM, shawn patrick wrote: I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol. Will 90% yield good results or does it have to be 99%?? The other responses are technically correct -- however, the isopropanol is only being used as a solvent for the FFAs in the oil

[Biofuel] Titration question from a Newbie

2007-05-02 Thread shawn patrick
Good Day to all, I have a question about the purity of Isopropyl alcohol. Will 90% yield good results or does it have to be 99%?? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

[Biofuel] Digester question

2006-07-23 Thread Kurt Nolte
Hmmm, long time little type. I'm becoming a lurker. Anyway, yes, questions. Questions are good. I've crawled through the archives for a little while, don't think I found anything on this, so bear with me and direct as needed. I've been looking into the possibilities of installing an anaerobic

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread Keith Addison
on and on, but it's just another blind alley. Best Keith Doug From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened that I

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread lres1
would be a help here Doug From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened that I asked a farmer about it and he told me

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread lres1
more goals to attain in this world. Are we here to attain the answers or the questions? My thanks to all. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread Joe Street
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Manchester
eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though. Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread lres1
21, 2006 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic This may work for grapes but keep it the hell away from tomato plants or you'll find out what the tobaco mosaic virus is! Joe JJJN wrote: I was going to mix some of this up about 7 years ago, It so happened that I asked

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-21 Thread Keith Addison
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Costs zippo for raw cut and dried tobacco here, about US$2 per kilogram. I tried the mix of one handful

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-20 Thread JJJN
though. Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread lres1
- Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Chris Lloyd wrote: Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Chris Lloyd
If you get rotted horse manure next year (rotted being a word that covers a host of sins) use it to make compost. We used to have a nice local farmer who used straw to bed the horses down in and he just piled the old bedding up in one long 25 ton heap so the old end was about 5 years old.

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Steve Racz
AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Fred Finch
Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed into the little critters and they die. The plants don't care either way about the stuff. I

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread lres1
: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack of chewing tobacco. Soak it in a gallon of water for a day in the sun. Strain the tobacco out and then add the dish soap. Spray it on the buggies. The nicotine is absorbed

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread lres1
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn for 10 years. I used a mulching mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used the mower on its tallest setting. The rare time I watered (which wasn't

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread robert and benita rabello
lres1 wrote: Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap liquid mixed with water and pump it from a hand sprayer? Got sunlight soap here for the dishes, lemon scent even. Summary.

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Keith Addison
: Steve Racz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic I have to agree here. I kept an organic lawn for 10 years. I used a mulching mower to put the clippings back into the lawn and used the mower

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Keith Addison
. It won't kill the vines though. Best Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Fred Finch To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Jim, Instead of ammonia, get a pack

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread robert and benita rabello
Keith Addison wrote: Nicotine will kill everything else too, including the bugs that eat the bugs eating your grapevines. It won't kill the vines though. Best Keith This is why the whole pest management approach is fundamentally flawed. Plants should be able to tolerate mild

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Thomas Kelly
12:03 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Hi Thomas, Thanks, I will start putting compost on soon. Every thing is going well except my gourds, they dont seem to like this latitude or something. My jeruselum artichokes are going crazy they are already 4-5 feet tall. I hope we

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-19 Thread Doug Turner
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of lres1Sent: June 19, 2006 9:27 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Will this kill the bugs busy eating away my precious grape vines and shade area without harming the vine. That is used tobacco and some soap

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread Thomas Kelly
. It's much too valuable to me to use on large areas of lawn. How's the garden coming? Tom - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread robert and benita rabello
JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread DB
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread Keith Addison
This is a little out of date and I don't really agree with some of it, but it might help. Forget about fertilisers (like bloodmeal, bonemeal etc), whether organic or not, as Robert says it's just replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. Use sifted compost and compost tea.

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread Chris Lloyd
Forget about fertilisers (like bloodmeal, bonemeal etc), whether organic or not, as Robert says it's just replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. Use sifted compost and compost tea. Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread Mike Weaver
I hate my lawn. Pointless, and the lawn owners are killing the Chesapeake bay w/ fertilizer robert and benita rabello wrote: JJJN wrote: Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread robert and benita rabello
Chris Lloyd wrote: Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out this year with the half ton I got for growing tomatoes in. It was supposed to be composted household waste and tree leaves, looked good, smelt good and will probably make a good soil improver but I

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Chris Forget about fertilisers (like bloodmeal, bonemeal etc), whether organic or not, as Robert says it's just replacing chemical fertilizers with non chemical fertilizers. Use sifted compost and compost tea. Some compost has virtually no ability to fertilise anything, I got caught out

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread JJJN
. How's the garden coming? Tom - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BIO Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic Hello folks, any organic lawn

Re: [Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-18 Thread JJJN
Robert, I was told that if you take one cup Lemon dish soap and mix with one cup lemon ammonia and spray like you would with a pesticide bottle that you hook on the end of a garden hose. At first I thought the idea sounded good but then what is in all that stuff? and if it kills the bad guys

[Biofuel] Lawn question off topic

2006-06-17 Thread JJJN
Hello folks, any organic lawn experts out there? I have been encroaching out 75% of my lawn with food plants for both wildlife and humans, but I still have this 25% and living in town I need to keep it lawn. the question is how does one raise a great lawn without weed killers etc? I

Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye

2006-05-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Scott I'm attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, I'm using fresh oil. Yes, but that's also where you should start to get it right. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Follow the instructions, step

Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye

2006-05-12 Thread Joe Street
You might have carbonated lye. Was it very chalky looking? Joe Scott Burton wrote: I’m attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, I’m using fresh oil. I seem to be having a bit of trouble though. My NaOH lye isn’t dissolving fully in the methanol,

Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye

2006-05-12 Thread Scott Burton
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye You might have carbonated lye. Was it very chalky looking? Joe Scott Burton wrote: I’m attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, I’m using fresh oil. I seem to be having a bit

Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye

2006-05-12 Thread Scott Burton
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:16 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye Hello Scott I'm attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, I'm using fresh oil. Yes, but that's also where you should start to get it right. Start

[Biofuel] A question about lye

2006-05-11 Thread Scott Burton
Im attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, Im using fresh oil. I seem to be having a bit of trouble though. My NaOH lye isnt dissolving fully in the methanol, and everything Ive read says not to mix this with the oil until the lye is completely

Re: [Biofuel] pH question

2006-01-30 Thread A. Secco
-- From: Jan Warnqvist To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] pH question Hello Andrew, not to worry, that pH value is quite in order. When you judge the result of a correctly performed pH determination, you shoul

Re: [Biofuel] pH question

2006-01-30 Thread Jan Warnqvist
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] pH question Dear Jan, If I understand correctly somethingcan be wrong with the pH measurementswhich Andrew made and reported. The pH can only be measured in an aqueous system and not in an oil/fatty phase

[Biofuel] pH question

2006-01-29 Thread Andrew Leven
Hello, I'vemade and washed 4 test batches from different wvo oil sources andhave comeup with some quite clear, light amber colored BD but it all seems to test out at pH 6 + or -. This seems a bit low. Any ideas about what would cause a consistent low reading like this? Andrew Leven

Re: [Biofuel] pH question

2006-01-29 Thread Jan Warnqvist
be that there is a content of free fatty acids or other acidic remains in the biodiesel. Is this right, Bob ? Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Andrew Leven To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:09 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pH question

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-06 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Have you done any energy loss calculations on your house? Unless you have prior bills, that's probably the only way to get a decent figure for how much fuel you'll need. Houses vary too much to be able to give a decent average number, even assuming the same climate. You can get fancy programs

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-06 Thread Doug Turner
- From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hi Doug, I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I did some searching

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-06 Thread David Marquis
Thanks for your input. Our house is really bad in the insulation area. I have done some remodeling and the insulation that I have put has helped a lot in those rooms, but the upper floor pretty much doesn't have any. I need to replace the furnace so I thought BD would be a great solution to

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-06 Thread David Marquis
Hi Doug, Thanks for your input! I am going to call around to see what people are generally using. The house is a story and a half double-brick construction built in 1952, an era when energy costs were not a concern. Not too shabby! Our house was built in 1896 by some Italian immigrants that

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-05 Thread james demer
Check out this news group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/ It is all about heating w/ biod. and it is packed full of good info. james demer On 1/4/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Doug, Nice to meet you and all of the other people on the list. Canada, huh... I

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-05 Thread David Marquis
Thanks for the pointer! Dave --- james demer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this news group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/altfuelfurnace/ It is all about heating w/ biod. and it is packed full of good info. james demer On 1/4/06, David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-05 Thread Doug Turner
] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello Doug, I guess I am in luck. I was looking at the wilsons link you sent and they recommend the Kerr furnances and boilers for BD. I looked at the Kerr link from Wilsons and they have

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-05 Thread David Marquis
Hi Doug, I am pretty sure that it is probably cooler here in Minnesota. I call it the great tundra wasteland. :-) I did some searching on the internet for #2 grade heating oil and it is running in the $2.00-$2.30 a gallon range. Eeek! Well I believe that I can use/make BD of less than that. Even

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-04 Thread Doug Turner
@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-04 Thread David Marquis
Message - From: David Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Intro / Question Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-04 Thread David Marquis
Hello Doug, Nice to meet you and all of the other people on the list. Canada, huh... I am thinking that it is really cold, I guess depending on where you live. I have a friend that used to live in Montreal a couple of years ago and they had a real nasty streak of -35F...Brrr. Well I am thinking

[Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-03 Thread David Marquis
Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or maybe I should say, won't create a ultra fuel

Re: [Biofuel] Intro / Question

2006-01-03 Thread JJJN
Welcome David, see below. David Marquis wrote: Hello All, I thought I should introduce myself and start a conversation in the process. I am interested in Biofuels as an alternative to the fossil fuels. I believe that with all the technology that man posses that it is a shame that we can't, or

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-18 Thread Keith Addison
it to, it's all still there, just as it was, twice, and it says now just what it said when I wrote it: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg58576.html Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming You snipped 99.38% of my reply and evaded the remaining 0.62

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-15 Thread dermot
Hi Keith, Where is all this anger and aggression coming from? I think you let yourself down when you descend to comments like this: Hi Dermot That's all?? Umph. Hardly worth the effort. What other kind have there been Dermot? What kind of questions won't you try to respond to? And why

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-15 Thread dermot
Hi Keith, Andres and Marilyn, I have tried to deal with the argument concerning plants and pain but I obviously haven't made myself clearly understood? Below please find a more comprehensive reply which comes from the book ANIMAL LIBERATION by Professor Peter Singer.

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-06 Thread Jason and Katie
- From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass Greetings, Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of accident. I have

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-06 Thread Zeke Yewdall
On the vaccination issue, I think that there are other issues that could also be causing the increase in athsma, etc. When I was little, I ate dirt, played with the dogs and cats and didn't wash my hands, ate wild berries without washing them, ate ants (I don't remember this but my parents say I

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-05 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Dermot That's all?? Umph. Hardly worth the effort. Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply. I'm puzzled by: My point is that IF we can tolerate this diet that we should because it is unethical to kill sentient creatures for no good reason. ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS. Just because they are dumb doesn't

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I assume your talking about the actual fish meat, not some processed catfood called tuna which may or may actually include real fish. I'm not sure where a tuna would get ash, living out in the ocean. Now, tuna does have alot of mercury, due to being high up on the food chain -- look at the FDA

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread bob allen
robert luis rabello wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: The question I have is about the theory of tuna and cats. The theory is that there is an excess amount of ash in tuna and that it can cause renal failure in middle aged cats. It is not suppose to make any difference if it was canned

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread robert luis rabello
bob allen wrote: at no small cost I might add. But is the extra cost (science diet) justified? I've never known a cat to live as long as she did (I got her when she was a little over a year old, and she lived with me for 16 years). A 9 kilo bag of Science Diet lasts about a month

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
Ok, now I'm having to really dig back into my memory here. There is something like 5 companies that basically control the distribution of food world wide .. each and every single one of those 5 companies have pet food subsidiaries. These companies have contracts to purchase produce directly

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Uuugh. Gotta love rendering plants There's one about 50 miles NE of where I live. Usually the wind blows the other way, but when it turns around, it stinks... When we raised rabbits, we would leave the extra parts up on the hillside after butchering them, and they'd be gone by the next

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread robert luis rabello
Marylynn Schmidt wrote: big snip of relevant background content Rendering places whole animals and animal parts into a big grinding machine that actually grinds until it's liquid .. a big pile of brown stinking liquid that smells for miles and miles around a rendering plant. Companies

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-05 Thread Ken Dunn
On 11/30/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Ken That was a real pleasure to read, thankyou. You're quite welcome. Your food shed, that's great! Footprints and food sheds. I wish I had coined the term but, my best buddy uses the phrase regularly and I'm pretty sure that he

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I am speaking of the actual fish meat, but when questions the girl who lost her cat was using a tuna cat food, although she swears it looked and tasted just like a can of fish. My cat also eats raw rabbit, chicken and emu, but he does prefer fish. Now I am able to get sardines, in

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Garth Kim Travis
. Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:57:35 -0800 Marylynn Schmidt wrote: So, to play devil's advocate (or maybe God's advocate, depending on your point of view) for a moment: What would be the problem with a

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of accident. I have a friend whose old cat is now 28, but he is old. Animals that live in the wild and dine on the sick and diseased prey, do sometimes die from what made their prey sick. One of my dogs is half

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread robert luis rabello
Marylynn Schmidt wrote: A PREY ANIMAL THAT IS KILLED BY A PREDATOR WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE A SICK ANIMAL .. IT COULD BE YOUNG .. IT COULD BE OLD .. IT COULD BE INJURED. IF, ON OCCASION EATING A SICK ANIMAL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WOULD HAVE A GREAT LASTING EFFECT IF

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
First I need to explain something very important to me. I read a variety of publications from a variety of different lists covering a variety of different fields .. these fields, naturally are the fields that are of interest to me. My own personal opinion is that when I see and hear different

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-05 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 18:56 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass Marylynn Schmidt wrote: HOW MANY MACDONALDS HAMBURGERS HAS THE AVERAGE

[Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-04 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Thank you for a wonderful post. I am fortunate that I found a country vet that treats my animals my way, and no vaccinations. [My cat is allergic to them.] My animals eat raw and have recovered from all their diseases and are now healthy. My vet actually learned from this and is

Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass

2005-12-04 Thread robert luis rabello
Garth Kim Travis wrote: The question I have is about the theory of tuna and cats. The theory is that there is an excess amount of ash in tuna and that it can cause renal failure in middle aged cats. It is not suppose to make any difference if it was canned or fresh. Have you ever

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-03 Thread dermot
Hi Keith, Thanks for the reply. I'm puzzled by: My point is that IF we can tolerate this diet that we should because it is unethical to kill sentient creatures for no good reason. ANIMALS HAVE RIGHTS. Just because they are dumb doesn't mean we can deprive them of a happy existance because

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-03 Thread Jason and Katie
Dermot posted: [snip] It's unethical to kill ANYTHING for no good reason, unethical and not sustainable. [snip] This seems to be true. all the documentaries and history ive come across about the Native American cultures allow for taking a non-human life for food reasons as long as the

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-02 Thread Tom Irwin
difficult. :- Tom From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:59:13 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farmingQuick question. Can the animals just be earthworms or are rumanants required?Tom IrwinHello TomI

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-02 Thread Tom Irwin
sustainable. If there are some things you could grow with normal yields and now cannot then something is missing. Tom Irwin From: dermot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:11:12 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-02 Thread Garth Kim Travis
of your experience and knowledge. I also applaud your amazing dexerity. Milking compost worms is really difficult. :- Tom From: Keith Addison [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:59:13 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-02 Thread Ken Dunn
On 11/30/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Ken That was a real pleasure to read, thankyou. You're quite welcome. Your food shed, that's great! Footprints and food sheds. I wish I had coined the term but, my best buddy uses the phrase regularly and I'm pretty sure that he

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-02 Thread Keith Addison
On 11/30/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Ken That was a real pleasure to read, thankyou. You're quite welcome. Your food shed, that's great! Footprints and food sheds. I wish I had coined the term but, my best buddy uses the phrase regularly and I'm pretty sure that

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-01 Thread Tom Irwin
Quick question. Can the animals just be earthworms or are rumanants required? Tom Irwin From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:39:00 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farmingGreetings KenThat

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-01 Thread Zeke Yewdall
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:39:00 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming Greetings Ken That was a real pleasure to read, thankyou. Your food shed, that's great! Footprints

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-01 Thread Keith Addison
of any vole dung to experiment with and there's not a lot of literature on the role of the vole and how long the pasture will last yer. Best Keith From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:39:00 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New

Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming

2005-12-01 Thread dermot
Hi Marilyn, The book you mention, The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Thomkins and Christopher Bird, was a bestseller over 20 years ago. It made all sorts of outlandish claims which were based on the scientific work of a Dr. Cleve Backster. It turns out that Backster was not in fact a scientist

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