Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-28 Thread TarynToo
On Aug 27, 2005, at 10:41 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: Oh, I don't mind a few shots - been known to dish them out myself! I guess I would turn the tables and ask if you ever heard of an actual communist system? I can't think of one. Almost all had major built in flaws, ranging from phony

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Charles Heinitz
So you think Sweden is a sucess? Try living there with a tax rate of 70%. Chuck From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:42:00

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Hakan Falk
] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:42:00 -0400 It's impossible to say Communism would've collapsed even w/o our help, since every state that has attempted

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Doug Foskey
you think Sweden is a sucess? Try living there with a tax rate of 70%. Chuck From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread TarynToo
of 70%. Chuck From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:42:00 -0400 It's impossible to say Communism would've collapsed even w

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Mike Weaver
corporations. Hakan At 05:47 27/08/2005, you wrote: So you think Sweden is a sucess? Try living there with a tax rate of 70%. Chuck From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Mike Weaver
Oh, I don't mind a few shots - been known to dish them out myself! I guess I would turn the tables and ask if you ever heard of an actual communist system? I can't think of one. Almost all had major built in flaws, ranging from phony economic figures to police state governments. I've never

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I have lived under Canada's medical and the US system, and had cancer in both. I will take the US system any day of the week. Sorry, but sitting on a waiting list waiting to have a pre-cancerous mass removed until it turns into cancer is not my idea of good medicine. Ask any US

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-27 Thread Mike Weaver
Good point, but: 1. What if you don't have or can't get insurance? 2. Last time I checked, it is not illegal to see a doctor in Canada and simply pay for it. It would be silly to wait until you get cancer. Canadians have alternatives too. 3. I would hazard that Canadian medicine, warts and

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-26 Thread Mike Weaver
Ah, I think Communism would've collapsed even w/o our help - it blew up in places even where we weren't meddling. My own thoughts are realistic Capitalism - a reasonably regulated free market economy and a pragmatic federal government. Think, oh, Finland. I do think the Constitution allows for

Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez

2005-08-26 Thread TarynToo
It's impossible to say Communism would've collapsed even w/o our help, since every state that has attempted communism, with few exceptions, has been destroyed by the U.S.A. and its allies using some combination of economic warfare, bribery and corruption, economic and military support of