[biofuels-biz] what actually is soybean meal?
Hello everyone, I've got a question for the group, could be rather naive but here goes... Is the soybean meal traded on the exchanges the same thing as the presscake left after the cols press of the soybeans. In other words could I sell my presscake on the market as soy meal or are these different concepts. Secondly if any one has bee succesful in selling their presscakes what was the average going price Finally, what is the ratio of oil to cake after a cold press extraction (is a 20 oil 80 cake ratio reasonable) Thanks y'all for the help, a Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/09Lw8C/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.
Good day, I havent been a member of this group for long but have noticed that some people cannot resist writing about everything even if they have nothing worth writing about. I'n my opinion the Group would be much more Green as regards bandwith on the internet it these people think twice, is that message realy necessary I awate your hail of abuse, but beleive me you cannot come near to the abouse I've had in my time because I'm an individualist and can think for myself. Keep it shout eh. al Why would you expect a hail of abuse? It does happen here, but not because someone's simply stated an opinion. Or would you see a questioning and maybe disagreement as a hail of abuse? Most people here are individualists who think for themselves, or they wouldn't be interested in this subject. That being the case, you should expect a wide variety and divergence of views, and of subject matter. Anyway, nobody's forcing you to read anything. As for bandwidth, this group's use of bandwidth is very minor, it's a medium-volume group with a minimum of idle chat. lot of broad-ranging discussion, but it's usually rather focused, and you might not be interested in it but that doesn't make it idle chat. Here comes the disagreement bit: it's your opinion that some posters have nothing worth writing about and that their messages aren't necessary, but do you really think they also see it that way? You're very unspecific - why don't you come out and say exactly what you think is not worth writing about? You've responded to this thread, Trends as I see it - are you saying that it's not worth writing about? If so, what are your reasons? Who are your some people? What messages like this usually boil down to in the end is something like this: Let's drop all this off-topic crap and talk about what THE GREAT ME wants to to talk about. Which gets short shrift - there aren't many rules here, but No Topic Cops is one of them. So, was your message really necessary? Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer
Hello M Is anyone else bothered by their insistence on the validity of counting other drivers' deaths? I think the folks who were claiming SUV's were safer for themselves and their families clearly were not talking about any concern for the other car. Right or wrong, it's clearly different from what they were saying, IMO. Other drivers' lives and deaths are certainly valid, IMO. But that's not all they say, they cover the SUV drivers' concern for themselves too: The first major result Ross and Wenzel found is that SUVs are no safer for their drivers than cars. I think this study is moving in the right direction, in an area that's seen a lot of spin and sheer BS up to now. Round about the time of the CAFE standards debacle, someone posted a couple of links offered as proof that small cars are dangerous. I thought the argument might be because US cars are generally big and the little guys would stand less chance in a collision with a bigger car, which does make some sort of inverted sense I suppose. But: Fact: In 1997, latest-available government data, 56% of small-car fatalities involved only small cars: 46% from single-car crashes, 10% from small cars running into each other. Just 1% of small-car deaths in 1997 involved collisions with midsize and large SUVs -- 136 out of 12,144 total small-car deaths that year. 46% from single-car crashes - they just up and crash on you all of sudden, go mad and hit a tree or something. Nothing to do with collisions with heavies - they're INHERENTLY more dangerous. And indeed, that's what was claimed. I don't much care what the US statistics say, if that's what they say, but that idea would be met with derision in most places, especially Europe or Japan. If that were true, the Europeans and the Japanese wouldn't maybe have noticed it by now? They're not exactly thick. Quite a large proportion of Japanese cars are REALLY small (not exported). I've driven a couple of them, they're pretty cool. Nippy, you can get away. But, on the roads, here as elsewhere, you also get a lot of big cars, a lot of vans, delivery vehicles, trucks, big heavies. If this BS about small cars were true, if it had any reality at all, the Japanese would most definitely have noticed it some while back. Someone else on the list said: The actuarial statistics are quite clear: bigger IS safer. Actually it's not quite clear at all, it's as fuzzy as hell. I suppose you can read the numbers that way, and it seems some insurance folks have done that, but you can read them the other way too, and what emerges is that it's not clear, it needs more research. These are very sweeping statements. Sure, cars need to be safer, and you need some measurements to assess that. But that hasn't been the purpose with this stuff, it's spin - seek whence it stems and you find the guilty party/parties. There are many factors involved in safety, and I think this new study begins to address that at last. I looked at a couple of crash test sites and so on, and found that more and more small cars are getting high safety ratings - but the same applies to medium and large cars. It looked like CARS, never mind what size, are dangerous but getting less so. So what they say about quality rings true. Best Keith On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:21:33 +0900, you wrote: http://ens-news.com/ens/jul2002/2002-07-29-09.asp ens Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer ANN ARBOR, Michigan, July 29, 2002 (ENS) - More quality, not more weight, may make vehicles safer, say researchers from the University of Michigan and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (LBNL). The study counters car industry warnings that tighter emissions and fuel efficiency requirements would force the production of smaller, lighter - and less safe - vehicles. Physicist Marc Ross and LBML scientist Tom Wenzel have released a report showing that vehicle quality is a better predictor of safety - both for the driver and for other drivers - than vehicle size and weight. Recent Senate hearings on Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards focused on the increased risk Americans would face if they had to give up their sport utility vehicles (SUVs) for vehicles that weigh less. We set out to see whether that risk is real, whether SUVs really are safer than cars. The answer, by and large, is no, Ross said. The first major result Ross and Wenzel found is that SUVs are no safer for their drivers than cars. Popular midsize cars, minivans and import luxury cars have the safest records, while SUVs are about as risky as the average midsize or large car, and are no safer than many compact and subcompact models. The researchers defined risk as the number of deaths per year per million vehicles. Other studies have not considered combined risk, which looks at both risk to the driver of the model in question and risk to the drivers of all other vehicles involved in crashes with that model. The study found
Re: [biofuel] Hubbert Peak
Todd, You did not jump at me as I see it, you expressed an opinion and that I can live well with. It was the original response on my opinion that was a little bit personalized. My opinion, after many years of work, is that if you want to see fast and major changes on issues, financial success makes a very large difference. To advance the Bio fuel issue to the importance it will need to have, you will at the end see both big oil and the politicians involved. I hope it goes fast, the speed in Europe is somewhat faster than in the US. I am not sure that the farmer/producer will get the biggest bang for his buck, in the company of petrol distributors etc. If you look at the food production, it is not the case. The small ones that now operates at the margins of the market are probably financially better of in this situation. They have an incentive to keep it small, until they are large enough to play in a bigger market. Then they can sell themselves to the big interests at a premium price. This is how it works. Hakan At 11:35 PM 8/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: Hakan, Sorry. Didn't mean to jump ya'. Just that the status quo is irksome. A whitewashand all too often a greenwash. Actually, if a biodiesel manufacturer wanted to get the biggest bang for his buck, he'd jump in bed with a petrol distributorship and try to stretch it as far as he could. As far as total reduction in emissions, better to go with a 20-75% biodiesel content than 100%. But that requires also getting in bed with the National Biodiesel Board here in the US, as the fuel is classified as on-road. For now it's just easier to sell in 250-500 quantities to farmers and heavy equipment users. But like I mentioned, that starts to bring into question some pretty relevant ethical issuesor at least for me it does. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Hubbert Peak Dear Todd, I have for more than 30 years been involved in energy conservation in building constructions http://energysavingnow.com and what you are bringing up is of utmost importance. It is however some very important timing questions here. If you look at average lifetime for a car, it is around 10 years and if you look at a building it is 100 years. Installations in building have an average lifetime of 15 to 25 years. The popular AC units for homes and small offices with rotation compressors have a lifetime of 8 years. It is many things in our environment that we can apply this on. We must therefore select the things that can give large results on short term. The majority of the worlds population, live without the above things, but it is areas where it would be difficult to live without heating or basic transport systems. It would also be difficult to feed the worlds population without availability of energy. We will therefore need to secure an efficient usage and renewable systems for the future. The lifestyle and waste of energy by less than 20% of the worlds population is a considerable threat. It can not continue for more than one century under all circumstances. The question is then if we can turn this to a more positive situation and I belive that we can do things in that direction. The first thing is to see that the wasters waste less, but with the mentioned lifetimes of buildings and systems, we are in a hurry and must carefully chose actions. The discussion have been bio fuels and taken together, I still think that bio diesel is as close as we can get to a silver bullet. On the savings side, large progress have been made in fuel efficiency already (The VW/Audi diesel is one of the most efficient with 2.5-3 liter/100km. I think that this is 100 mpg) Habits and unnecessary big cars can be changed during one renewal cycle. Diesel engine in it self, constitute a technology that give around 20% saving compared to a gasoline engine,. Before it used to be 30% difference, but gasoline engines have improved somewhat. On the distribution side, the current system will be used, the investments must be made on growing, collection and processing. As I pointed out before, this could even solve some large problems in the agriculture subsidy policies. Why should we have a diversity on renewable fuels, when we did not have it on fossil fuels? What we need is a fast implementation and saving. Other alternatives like EV for cities will come, but this we can let grow on us. My feeling is that we have a ready to go technology and let us go as fast as possible. I do not think that I have much more to add and further discussions from my side will not really contribute to the subject. I did not choose to get in to the morality discussions, I was jumped at and responded. I will continue to follow the discussions and if it is interesting technical
Re: [biofuel] Sewage Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: AnimalWaste
Thanks for your time and info. Bright Blessings, Kim Greg and April wrote: The only thing I can think of is you might get the compost and grey water tested, that way you would know to look for other sources of contamination, and would know for sure. Greg H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.
Hi Ref my message of yesterday, I see some people took it personally, it was never ment to be. Maybe I should have writen it in a different manner. I joined a group called Biofuel with the intention of getting some knowledge of the subject as it sounded so exciting. I now beleive this group should be split into Biofuel and another group called anything goes. Lets have a hands on group on Biofuel if that is what the group is about or change its name to something else. I ment nothing personal beleive me. al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/09Lw8C/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trends as I see it.
al wrote: Hi Ref my message of yesterday, I see some people took it personally, it was never ment to be. Maybe I should have writen it in a different manner. I joined a group called Biofuel with the intention of getting some knowledge of the subject as it sounded so exciting. I now beleive this group should be split into Biofuel and another group called anything goes. Lets have a hands on group on Biofuel if that is what the group is about or change its name to something else. I ment nothing personal beleive me. al If you mean me, I didn't take it personally, but I meant what I said in reply. There is plenty of information about biofuel here, and plenty of people with a vast collective knowledge of the subject. You've asked a couple of questions in the past and got good straight answers to them, didn't you? You also threatened to leave the group because there was something of a flame war over religion, which the moderator (me) didn't put a stop to (and didn't take much part in either). In fact it wasn't particularly off-topic, IIRC it was sparked by oil imports from the Middle East and inflamed views following Sept 11. So, along with what you're now saying about Biofuel (what interests you) and Anything goes (everything else), you do indeed want to restrict the discussions. This happens every couple of months, there's been lots of discussion about it, which amounts to this: apparently most people here see biofuels in a wider context than simply How do I make it, use it, etc., and appreciate the wide-ranging subject-matter. Restricting it would deprive them of this. On the other hand, hands-on How do I make it and so on is certainly discussed, there's a helluva lot of good info in the group archives and at the websites listed at the bottom of each message and at the group site at Yahoo. Not restricting the subject-matter range doesn't deprive the members who're mainly interested in the technical aspects. Anything goes (not really) messages don't restrict or discourage technical discussions in any way. And, nobody's forcing you to read anything. Every message has a subject header, it's a simple matter to follow only the threads that interest you. Bandwidth is a non-issue, IMO. There are people here with slow and/or expensive connections who don't complain - it's not a high-volume list. Did you heed Ryan's advice about following messages by conversation with Outlook, if you use Outlook? Do you use message filters to send messages to specific mailboxes, for example, Biofuel, or does it all arrive in your in-box in a massive clutter? Maybe you should attend to such things before suggesting we should split the group in two. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/09Lw8C/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Trends I see Was: On The Duty of Marketing Biofuels
Ken wrote: snip i'm trying to head for this nostalgic life even today, theres over 250+ million acres of public land available, thats mine too right!? besides being on a permanent camping trip is way more fun. deserts, mountains, oceans all of it yours too! no i think wild game should be included. i've played the entire diet spectrum, strict vegan, fruitarian etc. never could stick to no animal food for a long period of time, 6+ months ,though i really tried for 15+ years. now i really don't feel in the long term that its healthy. so i think a more indian omnivourous diet is in order. There's no vegetarian traditional diet, never has been. It's not possible to grow crops and maintain soil fertility without having animals in the picture, as in nature - nature never attempts to raise crops without animals, the two are always mixed. If you're going to raise them, you more or less have to eat them, or they'll out-compete you. i think this is where we need to head: The early explorers consistently described the native Americans as tall and well formed. Of the Indians of Texas, the explorer Cabeza de Vaca7 wrote, The men could run after a deer for an entire day without resting and without apparent fatigue. . . one man near seven feet in stature. . . runs down a buffalo on foot and slays it with his knife or lance, as he runs by its side. The Indians were difficult to kill. De Vaca reports on an Indian traversed by an arrow. . . he does not die but recovers from his wound. The Karakawas, a tribe that lived near the Gulf Coast, were tall, well-built and muscular. The men went stark naked, the lower lip and nipple pierced, covered in alligator grease [to ward off mosquitos], happy and generous, with amazing physical prowess. . . they go naked in the most burning sun, in winter they go out in early dawn to take a bath, breaking the ice with their body. If you haven't read this, you really should, it agrees with you in a lot of ways. You'll love it. http://journeytoforever.org/text_price.html The Darwin of nutrition - Weston A. Price : Journey to Forever The Darwin of nutrition Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price, DDS, 1939, 50th anniversary edition 1989, Keats, ISBN 0-87983-502-8 Weston A. Price discovered what health is made of, and proved it. In the early 1930s Price and his wife (Mrs Price) travelled more than 100,000 miles to study the diets and health of isolated primitive peoples in Africa, South America, Australia, Polynesia, Europe and northern Canada, at a time when such communities still existed. Price undertook amazing journeys into the wilds to seek out people who were living in accordance with the tradition of their race and as little affected as might be possible by the influence of the white man. Weston A. PriceWherever he found them -- regardless of race, diet and climate -- they were a picture of superb health: they had superb physiques, perfect teeth, no arthritis, no tuberculosis, no degenerative diseases, and they were cheerful, happy, hardy folk. That changed radically when he compared them to other, less isolated groups of the same peoples, charting a catastrophic health decline the closer they got to the trade foods produced by industrial society (processed foods grown by synthetic farming methods), in the shape of the white man's store. He found it takes only one generation of eating industrialized food to destroy health and immunity. [more] The full text is online, see url at the page above. the average full-time rv'er uses a fraction of the resources of the average 2500+ home plus all the cars that go with it, even with their migrating included. They're the same people - those are the people who have SUVs. well thats true, some of those monster rigs are disgusting... guess who has the richer LIFE? its not the size of the vehichles, its how they are being used. And methinks most SUVs are mostly used for short-hop city runs. its treacherous going to the movies!!! nunativs?!? What does this mean? New-Natives: take the best of the new-ways, the opportunity for a broad range of rich experience, access to all knowledge, (computors) BUT pare all this down to its essential core, 1/10th or less so nature is the overall experience instead of the human thing. combined with the wisdom of the old ways. Fair enough. There's much wisdom in the new ways too though, don't paint it with such a broad brush. This could be a going forward to the future just as much as a going back to nostalgia (which ain't what it used to be) (joke). Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
[biofuel] hovermatic twin tub as processor
hi all new to forum so will be brief in case iam covering old ground been making bio about 3mths and using in my nissan 4wd urvan dialy (im delivery driver so make your own was appealling..using hovermatic twintub as agitator spins one and fast giving good mix and as bonus separate spinner makes decent centrifuge i use a cut in half basketball to keep oil in you could also use separate container inside spinner and at end of mix spin simply pump into settling container biulding bigger mix using scrounged photo film mixer with pro parts..made afew blues on the way including forgeting to and meths/lye mix to oil and merrily putting it in 15000 van and driving all day!! no probs till attempted start next morning almost asfixateing postie he stops top of hill to see what brew is like now was also going to make large centrifuge from ceiling fan and 3lt coke bottles but her indoors theatened violence so i shelved that one.tried palm oil for awhile as it was free but it freezes in tank even here in WA so looking for source of oil in perth and to meet other backyarders,currently get my metho from WESTERN PETROEUM collier rd morley in 20lt drums Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion
Our U.S. media seems to indicate that the Argentine economy is in a real mess. If that is true, my sympathies go out to you on your country's fanancial situation. Curtis --- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...as I currently live in Argentina... = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access Your PC from Anywhere - Free Trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/o5uw2C/0ncEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion
Odd how everything is connected. Argentina exported literally boatloads of excess honey from plentiful harvests several years ago to the US (oddly enough via large distribibutors such as the Sioux Honey Association coop, aka Sioux Bee Honey, Krogers, etc.) at bargain basement prices. This in turn collapsed the US honey market, forcing hundreds of large US bee farmers out of business. Four years later the beeswax and honey market still hasn't recovered to its previous price levels. But bee farming members of the Sioux Honey Association faired rather nicely while their neighbors and friends in the honey industry went belly up. Boom and bust all this international agricultural trade. Notice who goes bust and who goes boom. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion Our U.S. media seems to indicate that the Argentine economy is in a real mess. If that is true, my sympathies go out to you on your country's fanancial situation. Curtis --- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...as I currently live in Argentina... = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/09Lw8C/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer
Well, I'm the 4X4 nutcase of the group (as everyone unfortunately knows!!) and I'll be the first to argue against the bigger is safer mentality!! Safety (to me anyways) is first and foremost the factor of the driver. In my opinion, the same idiot who was caught speeding around the turn and flipped over his SUV is the SAME PERSON who last week banged up his economy sedan trying to take it off roading. It's due to a person not understanding the physics involved in ANY vehicle that he (or she) owns .. and as a result, uses the vehicle (unfortunately) inappropriately. regrettfully, Curtis --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone else on the list said: The actuarial statistics are quite clear: bigger IS safer. -snip--- These are very sweeping statements. Sure, cars need to be safer, and you need some measurements to assess that. But that hasn't been the purpose with this stuff, it's spin - seek whence it stems and you find the guilty party/parties. There are many factors involved in safety, and I think this new study begins to address that at last. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Access your PC just like Web Mail http://us.click.yahoo.com/r5uw2C/zncEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] hovermatic twin tub as processor
hi all new to forum so will be brief in case iam covering old ground been making bio about 3mths and using in my nissan 4wd urvan dialy (im delivery driver so make your own was appealling..using hovermatic twintub as agitator spins one and fast giving good mix and as bonus separate spinner makes decent centrifuge i use a cut in half basketball to keep oil in you could also use separate container inside spinner and at end of mix spin simply pump into settling container biulding bigger mix using scrounged photo film mixer with pro parts..made afew blues on the way including forgeting to and meths/lye mix to oil and merrily putting it in 15000 van and driving all day!! no probs till attempted start next morning almost asfixateing postie he stops top of hill to see what brew is like now was also going to make large centrifuge from ceiling fan and 3lt coke bottles but her indoors theatened violence so i shelved that one.tried palm oil for awhile as it was free but it freezes in tank even here in WA so looking for source of oil in perth and to meet other backyarders,currently get my metho from WESTERN PETROEUM collier rd morley in 20lt drums Hello Gordon, and welcome. I guess the Nissan fared better than the postman. You're doing some clever things, keep going, and keep us informed. There are quite a lot of Ozzies here, maybe some near you. What's the meth cost you, by the way? Everyone always wants to know that. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/09Lw8C/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Heavier Vehicles Not Always Safer
Curtis Sakima wrote: Well, I'm the 4X4 nutcase of the group (as everyone unfortunately knows!!) and I'll be the first to argue against the bigger is safer mentality!! MH wrote: Before I slam 4x4s -- first a story. With fewer farmers and tractors in these parts a 4x4 pulled the ecomobile out of a wet, slippery ditch when the front wheel drive was unable to backup but had no problem seeking lower ground when given the gas. The college kids with their 4x4s immediately offered to pull my little bitty car right out. 15-20 years ago I'd walk to the nearest farm for a tractor pull but that little old Toyota 4x4 pickup truck did the trick nicely. This was last year when I found out when backing up the shoulder wasn't wide enough but since then the highway department widened the road and included a dual purpose tarmac pedestrian, bicycle lane. It sure is a pleasure to cycle on rather then gravel when the big rigs go by. Safety (to me anyways) is first and foremost the factor of the driver. In my opinion, the same idiot who was caught speeding around the turn and flipped over his SUV is the SAME PERSON who last week banged up his economy sedan trying to take it off roading. It's due to a person not understanding the physics involved in ANY vehicle that he (or she) owns .. and as a result, uses the vehicle (unfortunately) inappropriately. regrettfully, Curtis Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion
Yep. thanks! Christian - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Personal matter/opinion Our U.S. media seems to indicate that the Argentine economy is in a real mess. If that is true, my sympathies go out to you on your country's fanancial situation. Curtis --- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...as I currently live in Argentina... = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ mensaje enviado desde http://www.iespana.es emails (pop)-paginas web (espacio ilimitado)-agenda-favoritos (bookmarks)-foros -Chat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/it_ffB/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Sewage Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: AnimalWaste
No problem, just remember, don't expect to get more than you pay for, that
way when you do, you can enjoy it. {:-))
Greg H.
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Thanks for your time and info.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
Greg and April wrote:
The only thing I can think of is you might get the compost and grey
water
tested, that way you would know to look for other sources of
contamination,
and would know for sure.
Greg H.
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Re: [biofuel] hovermatic twin tub as processor
snippo tried palm oil for awhile as it was free but it freezes in tank even here in WA so looking for source of oil in perth and to meet other backyarders,currently get my metho from WESTERN PETROEUM collier rd morley in 20lt drums Hello Gordon, and welcome. I guess the Nissan fared better than the postman. You're doing some clever things, keep going, and keep us informed. There are quite a lot of Ozzies here, maybe some near you. What's the meth cost you, by the way? Everyone always wants to know that. Try to get your meth in 205 litre drums (44gal imp) (55us)I bought my first lot of meth in 20ltr drums $A55, or 2.75 good ol Aussie dollars per litre (BTW current exchange is about .54us$ - 1A$) In 205ltr drum from the same supplier, Hill and Co Mobil distributers in Canberra it was 198$ or .96per litre. It makes a big difference to the cost of the Bio. As for oil supplies talk to your local restuarants, often the smaller ones have to just junk the oil in the hoppers, Most of the larger ones like Macca's and Kingsleys have contractors that take it away. I have a few places in Canberra and have no trouble sourcing 160ltrs per week. This is despite there being a large collection company who make cosmetics from the stuff. I save the landfill 8 - 10 20 ltr drums per week, the restaurants are happy as I collect, and they dont feel guilty throwing it in the hopper. hit me off list if you want any more info. Neil Canberra Oz Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
