Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams... Oops, double post.

2005-08-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Taryn Sorry, the earlier posting (20:35:45) is incomplete, I had no idea it went out until I noticed the double post on the archives. Keith, It's hardly important, but I wondered if there is a simple way to toss duplicates and accidents from the archives? I checked when we set it up, there's

Re: [Biofuel] Simple twist of fate...

2005-08-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Mike From my limited experience in Latin America I always felt the EV's were making inroads because they had enough sense to actually have local people in positions of authority, Hungry people have enough problems already, all they need is to have that stuff shoved down their throats,

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread dwoodard
A lot depends on the seasonal variations in sun and wind in your area. Here in southern Ontario, Canada, the good winds are in the period October-May peaking in January. July and August are poor. Correspondingly we have little sunshine in winter. So wind and solar go well together. It seems that

[Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Stephan van Wyk
Hi Jeromie, Do your have more info on this, I love the idea. Maybe a good web link. Would a system like this be hard to set up? and materials / separator? The reason I ask is that my family and I will be moving to an eco-village next year. We are required to put in one alternative form of energy

Re: [Biofuel] BP stations for sale

2005-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Bob Clark wrote: snip Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath.

Re: [Biofuel] Was: Simple twist of fate... Now: euro English

2005-08-31 Thread Coral
Hi everybody, Thought this was funny. LOL Might as well turn out as a very sad reality in the not so distant future. Hope NOT, it's... unspeakable. The Euro English The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
What's usually wrong with them? AntiFossil wrote: Marty, and all, I have to respectfully disagree with Bob C. on this one. The days of freebies are still very much alive! It might just be an issue of where you seek your freebies : ) Since approx. March of this year, I have been able

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
We do the same things with barriar islands up here then get all upset when they blow away. TarynToo wrote: I live in South Florida, on high(ish) ground. Katrina came past and gave my neighborhood a little slap, on her way out to the warm gulf waters, where she organized into a cat 5

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/fuelcells/basics.html ^ good overview and links http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/ ^ Much more information http://www.h2fuelcells.org/ ^ Place to buy fuel cells. Get ready to drop serious cash for anything that could run a home. My thoughts were

[Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol

2005-08-31 Thread Rootes Paul
Hi I seem to be having trouble sourcing Isopropyl Alcohol for titration, I've tried pharmacist in my area (kent UK) but none seem to have it. Can anything else be used or does anyone know a likely supplier. Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] Japan - was Re: Problems, problems, problems

2005-08-31 Thread khamhiane inthava
Thank you Mike for your kindness. I am now in Japan and there is very little chance that I can travel to the US. Will keep follow this forum. Thanks KhamhianeMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Khamhiane,If you happen to be anywhere near the SE US I can reccommend the Piedmont Biofuels

Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, now I just shut and take the money. Everyone thought I was a kook until gas hit 3.00 a gallon. Brian Rodgers wrote: Oh well. No good deed goes unpunished! Scary but true, Mike. I have shifted my business to PC repair from a small DSL company because most people use Microsoft products

Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
Dunno about the UK but we've 55 gallons on hand if anyone in the DC area wants it...you haul. Rootes Paul wrote: Hi I seem to be having trouble sourcing Isopropyl Alcohol for titration, I've tried pharmacist in my area (kent UK) but none seem to have it. Can anything else be used or

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I hate batteries because they always die just when there is work to do. I do not want to depend on something that is going to have to be replaced just as it gets paid off and that I can't scrounge parts for. I don't believe that batteries are good for the environment either. Yes,

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi Jerome, I don't know about the energy conversion efficiencies of a wind-electric-H2/O2-hPEM-electric-load, but at first blush it seems to have too many stages to achieve reasonable efficiency. according to Amory Lovins, apparently an H2 advocate,

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, One can get just about anything for free, if you ask nicely. I have 3000 square feet of tile that was mine for hauling it home. Most of my walls and shelving units are made from scrounged wood, mine for the hauling. In Huntsville Texas, there is a man that started a company

[Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Todd Hershberger
I am trying to turn an old chicken house into a biodiesel workshop. The odor is disgusting because the chicken waste and dead chickens were left for years. I've cleaned it out and left the doors open. Does anyone have any ideas how to deodorize the old chicken shed? Should I be

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Bob Clark
Hi all, I guess I should have worded my message a little better!!! The days of freebies in our area, AND WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING STEEL, are over. I'm sure some people are still lucky enough to live in areas that you might be able to get a free used hot water heater from a junkyard or dump,

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
This sounds too cool. Are you saying you are using old NG Electric water heaters for... what? Stills? Oil fired boilers? Bio-Diesel batch heaters? I love this group! I need pictures, plans schematics. Pretty please! Oh I can't wait. I think I will go down to the dump and grab one or two and

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
Very true. My home is on the edge of a pine forest and has been here since before it was fashionable to build in the forest. I don't cary nearly the concern for humanity that many others do. It is my opinion that the old Toyota slogan says it all, You asked for it, you got it! Many people have

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, While I have never cleaned up something that bad, I do use the following spray on my compost toilet buckets and they are bad enough. In one spray bottle put ordinary white vinegar; in another spray bottle put hydrogen peroxide. Spray one then the other on your surface. A couple

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
Yeah but as the story goes it all depends on marketability. The $1.00/Watt barrier is what stands between us and a world of alternative energy. (for some reason people hang on to this idea that everything should be available for as little as possible?? -one of the reasons capitalism is doing

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Nancy Canning
been there, done that. Here is what I did, and it worked enough so it was not so obvious. 1. hydrogen peroxide helps with odors. Hydrogen Peroxide breaks down the cell wall, allowing the protein to dissolve away with washing. Hydrogen peroxide works with any protein, blood, manure, grass etc.

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Juan Gutierrez
People, were there first and form there own local governments before the feds showed up. besides aren't people ultimately responsible for themselves or do you want the feds or corporate bigwigs telling you where you should live. I live in South Florida also where is this High(ish) ground you

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Bob Clark
Hi Mike (ANTIFOSSIL) and all, I hadn't read your entire message when I posted my last comments, only the part which was included in the next message. The fact is, that when I lived in Oregon I could have collected enough free used water heaters to start my own scrapyard. Now, living in the

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
I sorry as all get out for the folks in New Orleans. But New Orleans is a city that should have never been built. I'll disagree with one point, that the government was responsible for all the problems. I believe it's the folks of New Orleans, that started the canals and drainage ditches ( and

Re: [Biofuel] Query on MTBE

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Sutton
MTBE has been recognized as the culprit that causes gasoline spills to contaminate ground water. States are outlawing use of it and ethanol is expected to be the replacement. Some states have found that their gas contained unusually high quantities of MTBE as oil companies look for ways to get

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panels

2005-08-31 Thread Marty Phee
What about organic cells? I can't find the website of the company working on them right now, but I believe they were talking well below a $1/watt. I just saw a link that said $0.40/watt. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041220005834.htm Joe Street wrote: Yeah but as the story

Re: [Biofuel] Mikes everywhere I look!

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
No problem Doug. Sometimes, I don't know which Mike I am either. :-) Mike PS - Great Dubya quote!! Douglas Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike someone wrote : What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's got the wrong Mike on that quote (as Mike Weaver already noticed). :-) Mike Mike Weaver <[EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
TarynToo wrote: Snip But you can't expect to live on a flood plain, or a sand bar, or a muddy hillside, or a dry pine forest, and be safe. Should governments issue building permits in swamps? Should insurance companies write fire policies on wooden houses in pine forests? Flood policies on

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
super capacitors have shown some promise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor Electric double-layer capacitors (EDLCs) These devices, often called supercapacitors or ultracapacitors for short, are capacitors that use a molecule-thin layer of electrolyte, rather than a manufactured sheet of

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
Jeromie Reeves wrote: If your Eco-village has plenty of wind generators then more then likely there will be a surplus of electricity making a electrolyzer a good idea. Why is this so? I think you are saying to use wind generated electricity to produce hydrogen and then use hydrogen to

[Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
I've been researching the feasibility ofbuilding a biofuelturbojet engine. Apparently, it's not as far fetched as one might think. I'm still unsure of thermal efficiency and if it's competitive with other cycles. In theory, it should be. Has anyone done similar research? MikeNick [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi, Juan and Greg On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Juan Gutierrez wrote: People, were there first and form there own local governments before the feds showed up. besides aren't people ultimately responsible for themselves or do you want the feds or corporate bigwigs telling you where you

Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation

2005-08-31 Thread AntiFossil
Hmm..? Judging by how long it's taken me to get back to my computer, I guess I'm the slow Mike. Nice campaign slogan there Mike!On 8/30/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am the one and true Mike.This other fellow is clearly an imposter.Do not follow false Mikes.I personally will

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
"I guess you will say the energy can be stored in the hydrogen but compressing hydrogen is a wee bit of a problem to say the least and in any case the compressor is horribly inneficient." One alternativemight be to simplify HOD (hydrogen on demand) so one can make it at home. I'm not a

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
As a further note to the discussion of high efficiency solar arrays a question occured to me. The average incoming radiation from the sun is something like 1Kw /sq.m This is a substantial amount of energy and much of it goes into heating up a shallow layer of the surface and much gets

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
My dad told the story about one of his collage buddies that got a 3 month old Cadillac for $50, because the previous owner went out to the desert and committed suicide in it, and was not found for many days.. He striped the car down to bare metal, sand blasted the entire thing, and rebuilt it

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
This is not at all far fetched. Several people are bulding teir own turbines and other things like pulsejet engines etc. However you can get surplus APU's (auxiliary power units) at bargain prices if you look around. Check here: http://freespace.virgin.net/dyno.power/gasturbine/ Fun stuff!

[Biofuel] I keep forgetting to delete the footer!! - Sorry Keith

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
Every freakin' time I click"send", I realize that I forgot to delete the superfluous stuff at the bottom. ...sorry about that. Mike___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread John Hayes
Greg and April wrote: My dad told the story about one of his collage buddies that got a 3 month old Cadillac for $50, because the previous owner went out to the desert and committed suicide in it, and was not found for many days.. He striped the car down to bare metal, sand blasted the

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Brian Quite a lot of people use water heaters to make these waste oil heaters that Bob just mentioned: Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure there are others on this list with a lot more experience using water heaters then I. I got my original ideas and plans from a Mother Earth News

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
A friend who coincidentally thinks I am a nut job, said he made a system back in the 'old days' in which a small water turbine powered by a small stream pumped water into a storage tank as well as generate electricity. Somehow this system was augmented with a small wind generator. He said that

Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol

2005-08-31 Thread Marc Arends
You can also use a 50:50 v/v mixture of ethanol and diethylether. We use this at my work every day and it is ok. Marc Arends original message: Hi I seem to be having trouble sourcing Isopropyl Alcohol for titration, I've tried pharmacist in my area (kent UK) but none seem to have it. Can

Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades

2005-08-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Brian a friend sent me this. Keep in mind, it's from a liberal Web site. But even if only part of it is true, it's still pretty scary. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml Bush's Obscene Tirades Rattle White House Aides By DOUG THOMPSON Aug 25, 2005, 06:19

Re: [Biofuel] Isopropyl Alcohol

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
I just checked the archives to make sure that denatured alcohol is suitable for titration and it appears to be. Anyway I used to buy quarts of 99% isopropyl alcohol at the local hardware store to use as a solvent to clean video heads. If this is the same stuff, I suggest you look in the paint

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Dyck
Actually we should look at more than 2 types of alternative sources of energy. Geothermal for an example and also harnessing tides, micro hydro, magnetic energy and other inventions that are being developed. Terry Dyck From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
TarynToo wrote: Hi Jerome, I don't know about the energy conversion efficiencies of a wind-electric-H2/O2-hPEM-electric-load, but at first blush it seems to have too many stages to achieve reasonable efficiency. The idea is to use currently wasted extra electricity from a installed power

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Manzo, Emil
I think they live below sea-level in the Netherlands too? People have to live somewhere. We do the best we can with the tools we have. OK, back to finding energy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TarynToo Sent: Wednesday, August 31,

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Manzo, Emil
How right you are. Living in Florida USA my mortgage requires storm insurance. Our carrier cancelled us (no reason given). Upon renewal we expect a higher premium but there will also be extra charges to fund the uninsurable. I thought it was noble to help protect the poor but later found that

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Shetlandbiofuels
Hi all You don't need to compress the hydrogen, there are electrolisers which work a 200 bar (3000 psi, yes threethousand psi) and are being used in the UK to produce hydrogen from excess wind genaration and feed it through a fuel cell in calm periods, to produce electricity. The system

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I hate batteries because they always die just when there is work to do. I do not want to depend on something that is going to have to be replaced just as it gets paid off and that I can't scrounge parts for. I don't believe that batteries are good for the

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
Yes I have also heard of using a wind turbine to turn an air compressor and store energy in compressed air. I don't know about the efficiency though. Joe Brian Rodgers wrote: A friend who coincidentally thinks I am a nut job, said he made a system back in the 'old days' in which a small

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Joe Street wrote: Jeromie Reeves wrote: If your Eco-village has plenty of wind generators then more then likely there will be a surplus of electricity making a electrolyzer a good idea. Why is this so? I think you are saying to use wind generated electricity to produce hydrogen

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread robert luis rabello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all You don't need to compress the hydrogen, there are electrolisers which work a 200 bar (3000 psi, yes three thousand psi) and are being used in the UK to produce hydrogen from excess wind genaration and feed it through a fuel cell in calm periods, to

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
I have no idea, but, some of the ways that Myth Busters test myths, leaves allot to be desired. Greg H. - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:46 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure Didn't

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hi John, Greg Greg and April wrote: My dad told the story about one of his collage buddies that got a 3 month old Cadillac for $50, because the previous owner went out to the desert and committed suicide in it, and was not found for many days.. He striped the car down to bare metal,

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
They do, but, from my understanding, most of the low laying areas are rural. I don't know of any hurricanes that have hit the Netherlands as well, Louisiana has a ongoing history of them. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Jeromie snip regen breaking is very key to a truly successful electric or hybrid. There is also a air car out there that interests me allot. Wish I could get my hands on one for my wife to use for work (our biggest use of gasoline) and for my running around (I do part time PC work) We've

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread J and S Out West
I really like the idea of flywheels as opposed to batteries for wind/solar storage, I'm suprised no one has mentioned them yet. Jerry -=original message=- From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteriesTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
The storage of energy by lifting water has a long and successful history. I think it's common for hydropower companies to use excess or off-peak power to push water up into the reservoir, increasing head pressure for peak demands. Hmmm... kinda stinks of perpetual motion eh? Windmills have

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread dwoodard
Supposing that incoming solar radiation were mostly converted to electrical power, the electricity would be converted to heat in the process of use. This heat would be re-emitted from the earth's surface. The heat would also drive the weather, but the pattern of re-emission and presumably of the

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Manzo, Emil
Hi Joe. When you said Pulse-jet you reminded me of something I saw when I was a kid. It was a small jet turbine that bolted onto your cars differential. It bolted in place of the rear differential cover and connected to your fuel and electrical system. As the car ran down the highway, the

Re: [Biofuel] Water heater

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thank you Keith I will start reading right now. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Amazing to say the least. I love to see that waste oil burning space heater glowing. Boy howdy! Our situation is a bit different in that we need to burn waste wood products.

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
Take a look at CaO It is made by heating CaCO3 In sailing ship days fires were started when barrels of CaO got wet. KirkMichael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "I guess you will say the energy can be stored in the hydrogen but compressing hydrogen is a wee bit of a problem to say the least

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
Hi Emil; I should have said that is not my page. I haven't built a conventional type pulsejet. I just pulled the link from my bookmarks FYI. I am more interested in the coanda effect and the ferroelectric effect. The problem wih turbines is they are not very sustainable. You have to have deep

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
The other thread [Solar panals or wind] is discussing the viability of an air car and made me wonder of excess wind energy can be stored as compressed air. Mikerobert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all You don't need to compress the hydrogen, there are

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
"You have to have deep pockets to play with those things." Not necessarily. I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED]a few weeks ago after learning that you can get everything you need from a junk yard. People are buying auto turbochargers and back feeding the compressor gasses to the exhaust turbine and

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread des
Brian Rodgers wrote: A friend who coincidentally thinks I am a nut job, said he made a system back in the 'old days' in which a small water turbine powered by a small stream pumped water into a storage tank as well as generate electricity. Somehow this system was augmented with a small wind

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread bob allen
Terry Dyck wrote: Actually we should look at more than 2 types of alternative sources of energy. Geothermal for an example and also harnessing tides, micro hydro, magnetic energy agh. please anybody that believes in magnets as a source of energy, go build one and then give me a

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
Compressing air has an enormous loss due to heating. THe heat is soon lost and the attendant energy with it. If you could compress it without raising its temperature then it would resemble water energy stored in a reservoir on a hill. KirkTarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The storage of energy by

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Joe Street
Yes but as for sustainability tell me how long do these things run for at 60 and 70,000RPM and how often do you have to repair them?? Joe Michael Redler wrote: "You have to have deep pockets to play with those things." Not necessarily. I joined [EMAIL PROTECTED]a few weeks

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
You guys are a trip. This info has been some of the most entertaining reading I have done in years. Starting with: Build your own junkyard turbine http://www.junkyardjet.com/primitive.html New pulse jet engine http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/xjet.shtml I then went to see what Joe was talking about

Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades

2005-08-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hello Keith I don't know how you manage to keep up with all of this. My head is spinning with the beautiful data stream of pertinent information found here. I no sooner ask a question or respond to another's comments and a new data stream hits, I almost forgot what we was talking about yesterday.

Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Fwd: [DIYGasTurbines] Re: I'd like to try something...but first, your opinions (please).

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
That's a good question Joe. Right now, I'm just collecting information. So, I couldn't tell ya. Since bearing life is a function of load and RPM, it's hard tosay -- High revs and low load. MikeJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes but as for sustainability tell me how long do these things run

Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries

2005-08-31 Thread Hakan Falk
Jim, Lead-acid batteries 80% efficiency (real) and I think that other types have a slightly better efficiency. This is however not the main point for them, life and maintenance are. Hakan At 18:28 31/08/2005, you wrote: Hi all You don't need to compress the hydrogen, there are electrolisers

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, Depends on where you are. Incoming yearly average in northern US is 5-6 kW/m2. I would not fly any hang glider in 100 feet per minute, because you will end up at top of a thunderstorm and come back down as an ice block. It has happened more than once by happy people who did not study

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Why Bob! What are you saying? Everybody knows that magnets are an almost infinite source of free energy!* Here's a simple experiment you can do yourself: Find a bar magnet, stronger is better. wrap about 50 feet of very thin varnished copper wire around your finger loosely, so

Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades

2005-08-31 Thread Appal Energy
One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush. “We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes,” he

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
No, no no, it was a mint 1957 Corvette... Keith Addison wrote: Hi John, Greg Greg and April wrote: My dad told the story about one of his collage buddies that got a 3 month old Cadillac for $50, because the previous owner went out to the desert and committed suicide in it, and was not

Re: [Biofuel] Bush's Obscene Tirades

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
Anyone want to swap countries for a few years? Appal Energy wrote: One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons – asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush. “We have to face the very real

Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
Well, at least I know I'm crazy! Unlike, uh, our current head of state. Can I count on your vote? AntiFossil wrote: Hmm..? Judging by how long it's taken me to get back to my computer, I guess I'm the slow Mike. Nice campaign slogan there Mike! On 8/30/05, *Mike Weaver* [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] Mikes everywhere I look!

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
My GF says even one Mike is too many... Michael Redler wrote: No problem Doug. Sometimes, I don't know which Mike I am either. :-) Mike PS - Great Dubya quote!! */Douglas Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Mike someone wrote : What!? I have kids!!? I think Doug's

Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure

2005-08-31 Thread Mike Weaver
My uncle used to use bleach too. Time will also do it. Nancy Canning wrote: been there, done that. Here is what I did, and it worked enough so it was not so obvious. 1. hydrogen peroxide helps with odors. Hydrogen Peroxide breaks down the cell wall, allowing the protein to dissolve away with

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
OK .. well .. history New Orleans, as was the rest of Louisiana (remember something called the Louisiana Purchase) owned by the French and was an important port of trade. But really only a port that sent goods to another land. New Orleans was also the only area in the south that contained a

[Biofuel] Aircar -was: Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread MH
Speaking of air car (theaircar.com) there was some talk on the ihpva.org trikes list about - suppliment power - that mentioned some data from a book called, Bicycling Science by MIT Press c1982 Chapter 12 - Energy-storage bicycles Table 12.1 Energy-storage data. Maxium

[Biofuel] Bush's favorite sandwich

2005-08-31 Thread Kirk McLoren
Well according to J Leno the favorite sandwich of George Bush is peanut butter and honey. Oddly enough that was Bill

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Tom
That's not free energy. That is human energy. The most expensive kind of energy! Now where did all those slaves go who were cranking my generator and eating all my corn that I was going to feed my cow and stick a tube up her butt and harvest the methane gas to burn in my truck?** At 08:18

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread Greg and April
They are culpable, if they continue their parents mistakes.Indeed they should have a better grasp of just how bad things are. Last night on the news, they interviewed a family that elected to stay in their home, even though the water was almost to the top of their front porch and an

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread William Adams
Hi Hakan Joe, Hakan, where do you find 5-7 kwm^-2 for solar incoming energy? That seems a bit high - Joe's figure seems closer. The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics gives a solar constant of 1.34kwm^-2, which for N. Lat. 40deg corrects to a ground surface solar energy input of about

[Biofuel] where do i start?

2005-08-31 Thread michael williams
hello everyone, i have never even looked at anything like this before, just wondering where do i begin? my uncle manages a dairy farm, so i have access to over 4,000 gallons of mollasses which i can use for free, in small amounts, that i want to make ethanol from. where do i begin in regards

[Biofuel] Quality Test of biodiesel

2005-08-31 Thread Thomas Kelly
I wantedto test a recent 25 gal batch of biodiesel. I dissolved 25 ml offinished biodiesel in 225 ml methanol (Jan Warnqist @ JtF "Biodiesel and Your Vehicle") and got approx. 2ml undissolved material at the bottom of the bottle, indicating an incomplete reaction. I reprocessed 1L. of

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi Marylynn, The perspective you add for Louisiana's early history brings it strikingly close to the Netherlands, in a single overwhelming facet: They built where they did because there was nowhere else to build. Where do you build if your whole territory is tidal basin, swamp and river

[Biofuel] Flywheel 'batteries'

2005-08-31 Thread Tony DeCarmine
Evening, all - Jerry wrote - I really like the idea of flywheels as opposed to batteries for wind/solar storage, I'm suprised no one has mentioned them yet. Flywheels are another painfully efficient old technology, still in use today in your typical piston engine for load leveling. It's just

Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?

2005-08-31 Thread TarynToo
Hi Greg, On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:56 PM, Greg and April wrote: They are culpable, if they continue their parents mistakes.Indeed they should have a better grasp of just how bad things are. You guys are tough! Ok, fair enough. Last night on the news, they interviewed a family that

Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind

2005-08-31 Thread Michael Redler
...see also http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/old_data/nsrdb/redbook/sum2/state.html MikeWilliam Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hakan Joe,Hakan, where do you find 5-7 kwm^-2 for solar incoming energy? That seems a bit high - Joe's figure seems closer.The CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics gives