Re: [biofuels-biz] Cracking
Todd Swearingen so what can be done to bio-diesel to lower the gel point? I know that adding gasoline to diesel in winter is done by some to stop diesel gelling in winters lower temperatures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] 'how to make biodiesel without waste products'
Keith Todd - my real problem is 'how to make biodiesel without waste products'. Any fool can make biodiesel. It does'nt seem so easy to deal with the waste water and glycerine, and as far as I know, nobody seems to have come up with adequate solutions on the discussion groups. It is important for me to get as much reliable info on the waste problem as possible this is all I want to do! Has anybody got anything else to contribute? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Cracking
Lee, First thing? Utilize alcohols such as isopropanol and isobutyl rather than methanol. To what degree the process would need to be altered to achieve high conversion ratios isn't clear, but there would almost assuredly need to be some alterations. You could just fractionally distill the esters without any catalytic cracking. Shuttle your longer chain esters to southern climes and the shorter chains to northern climes. But if high energy inputs were put into a distillation effort, cracking would probably be included just to keep the cost/yield ratio low. One could also go the route that US DOD and NREL have toyed with, cryo-cooling the esters and separating them. Rumour has it that this type of experimentation was being done with biodiesel so that it could be used at high altitudes, where the reduced emissions from biodiesel would contribute to con-trail formation to a lesser degree than petroleum based fuels. Now if you were to ask me what I would personally do to reduce the gel point, it would be one of two things. The first is absolutely nothing,modifiying the system to accomodate that particular weak point of the fuel. Such modifications would include the usual tank heater with a few mods to forward heat to the injectors and pump, a two tank system (one being but a liter or two for fossil diesel) and fuel heating systems that utilize both exhaust and coolant as the heating mediums. It's not uncommon in my experience to push the nose of a vehicle or plane under a tent flap, where a well vented pot belly stove is stoked all night. (Nights can get kinda' long north of the Goldstream Valley.) A few simple mods to accomodate biodiesel would be of considerably less overall effort. Granted...neither approach is as turn key as society has come to expect. The second approach would be to start working with alternative alcohols. But even then, zero and sub-zero conditions (*F) would still prove quite problematic. The idea of distillation and cracking is not at all attractive from an energy inputs perspective, but would probably become the approach of choice using centralized mega-facilities, rather than micro. One problem there would be that the fuel is only seasonal, which would force such a facility to distill and store fuel in advance or leave the facility without any functional purpose relative to biodiesel ~one-half of each year. I don't think you'll see Appal going that route unless we could implement solar concentrators. Rather, we'll probably stay in the right hand lane and keep travelling 55, getting wherever everyone else goes in just about the same time and style. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: Lee Sheppard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Cracking Todd Swearingen so what can be done to bio-diesel to lower the gel point? I know that adding gasoline to diesel in winter is done by some to stop diesel gelling in winters lower temperatures. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM --- --~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Cracking
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PAL Lp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1='5,713,965'.WKU.OS=PN/5 ,713,965RS=PN/5,713,965 United States Patent: 5,713,965 ( 1 of 1 ) United States Patent5,713,965 Foglia , et al. February 3, 1998 Production of biodiesel, lubricants and fuel and lubricant additives Abstract A method is described which utilizes lipases to transesterify triglyceride-containing substances and to esterify free fatty acids to alkyl esters using short chain alcohols. The alkyl esters are useful as alternatives or additives to automotive fuels and lubricants. The method is particularly advantageous because it utilizes inexpensive feedstocks such as animal fats, vegetable oils, rendered fats and restaurant grease as substrates. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] 'how to make biodiesel without waste products'
Paddy, I wouldn't be so sure that any fool can make biodiesel. I've seen a few who are far better at perfecting their court jesting skills than those of common sense. But your point is by and large applicable. The waste stream that exists with biodiesel manufacture can easily be resolved, even in sub-urban environments. For argument's sake, let's say that a shadetree biodieseler owns his or her own home in a zero-lot-line subdivision. He or she also owns a VW Jetta, consuming ~6 gallons of biodiesel each week. That equates to ~16 pounds of potassium phosphate, ~24 gallons of crude glycerol and ~400 gallons of gray water (recycling the wash water from 4th wash to 3rd to 2nd to 1st). This is also, of course, presuming that the shadetree biodieseler utilizes an acid/base process to reduce the amount of base catalyst and nuetralizing phosphoric acid needed. The average westernized home owner spreads an 80# bag of 3-3-3 fertilizer on his or her lawn each year. (Never have figured that one out...spending money to get grass to grow better so that more person hours and fuel can be consumed cutting more grass more frequently.) Anyway, sixteen pounds of 0-3-3 is only one seventh of that. The glycerin is water soluble and can be distributed with the gray water. The gray water is much cleaner, by the way, when using acid/base, rather than straight base, which produces considerable amounts of soap. That only leaves the smalll amount of recovered FFAs (again, presuming acid/base is used) to be disposed of. A couple of Tiki torches takes care of that, or perhaps blending them in with fuel oil for the furnace or some other similar use. Given a simple gravity-fed, activated charcoal method of de-scenting the glycerol and FFAs, who knows, one could even start their own small soap business using both as ingredients. Recycling the glycerin in this manner would certainly close the loop in a micro-manufacture setting. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: [biofuels-biz] 'how to make biodiesel without waste products' Keith Todd - my real problem is 'how to make biodiesel without waste products'. Any fool can make biodiesel. It does'nt seem so easy to deal with the waste water and glycerine, and as far as I know, nobody seems to have come up with adequate solutions on the discussion groups. It is important for me to get as much reliable info on the waste problem as possible this is all I want to do! Has anybody got anything else to contribute? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM --- --~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] 'how to make biodiesel without waste products'
Paddy wrote: Keith Todd - my real problem is 'how to make biodiesel without waste products'. Any fool can make biodiesel. I thought so, but I'm still not convinced you can. It does'nt seem so easy to deal with the waste water and glycerine, and as far as I know, nobody seems to have come up with adequate solutions on the discussion groups. It is important for me to get as much reliable info on the waste problem as possible this is all I want to do! Has anybody got anything else to contribute? Well, what have you contributed? Anyway, I accept that this waffley and evasive answer is the best we're going to get - obviously you can't answer the question. Why do you think the three layers are not what Todd and I say they are, and what do you think they are? For no reason, and you don't have any alternative suggestion. Anyway, what waste products? It's all been thoroughly discussed at the Biofuel list and elsewhere. We think of co-products, not waste products. But since you're in denial or something about neutralized FFAs and can't be bothered to do the tests you yourself suggested to satisfy your mysterious doubts, well then, struggle along with your waste products, LOL! http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html Separating glycerine/FFAs As for the wash water, I remember you were party to a discussion on the Biofuel list some while back about wash water. You got it into your head that it's a severe problem and wouldn't listen to what anyone else said. Once again, you're welcome, but the waste water is a lot milder than most people's laundry water, especially if they have an infant in diapers in the family, and is easily handled by a simple greywater system. Try another question: what is the purpose of titrating WVO before transesterifying it? Keith OK Keith, re: Why do you think the three layers are not what Todd and I say they are, and what do you think they are? My main problem is with the bottom layer - why is it so large and what is the oily substance that the catalyst is associated with? I'm afraid I don't have any answers - only more questions! I'll try and test the top layer and let you know what the results are. I won't, however, be able to do this for a while as I'm pretty busy with other things which have higher priorities, which is why I asked if anybody had done it already as it would save me the bother. Also, I hate to admit, I do like to see how ideas stand up to critiscism, so don't take this personnally. The main thing is to get some lively discussions going. I don't take things personally, even when they're meant personally, but I certainly have my opinions. As with this. You started this discussion (?) on another list, where I'd described the three layers and how they're derived, and suggested the FFAs might be suitable as diesel fuel, perhaps more so than straight vegetable oil as it lacks the glycerine and it's less viscous. This was your response: I'm not sure what makes you think FFA's are less viscous than SVO. According to the chemical data around, the fatty acids have a melting point of approx. 30 degrees C GREATER than their corresponding methyl ester. Many will be solid at room temperature and oleic acid has a melting point of 13.4 degrees C - so how can it be almost as thin as biodiesel? Is it because the FFA's are dissolved in water? Also, would'nt it be more sensible to make biodiesel out of them? A confused exchange followed, where I posted this, among other things: Viscosity comparison (the higher the number the more viscous): Biodiesel 38 FFAs 41 Virgin Canola 59 Melting point: FFAs: -3 deg C WVO: -4 deg C Virgin Canola: -9 deg C (winterized) (The WVO is the same WVO which produced the FFAs.) FFAs burn well, and no triglycerides to complicate things. No water, mixes freely with biodiesel, and therefore I imagine with petro-diesel or kerosene. All of which is why I suggested it as a diesel fuel, before we got distracted. Then you asked me for chemical formulas: ... how would you describe the difference between a free fatty acid (FFA) and a fatty acid (FA), such as pure stearic acid? Please be precise - what is the chemical formula? Does it have a COOH end group? What is the end group? I posted quite a lot of information from good sources on FFAs and biodiesel, since you didn't seem to understand it, and got this response from you: OK Kieth, I'll leave it here! But please don't send me lengthy details of how to make biodiesel as there was a simple question that required a simple answer. I'm not interested in your rambling, waffley and evasive answers! So much for a lively discussion. I didn't take it personally, but I did conclude you don't know how to make biodiesel. And then you continued it here. And I still think you don't know how to make biodiesel. Keith ps.Hope you all enjoyed reading the FFA report Paddy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Re: [biofuels-biz] Cracking
not by intelligent diesel owners. the logical choice is kerosene. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Lee Sheppard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Cracking Todd Swearingen so what can be done to bio-diesel to lower the gel point? I know that adding gasoline to diesel in winter is done by some to stop diesel gelling in winters lower temperatures. Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
Is this a car sales site? Raw -Original Message- From: Christopher Witmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 1:44 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine Anyone familiar with the Perkins D3152 engine? I have located one that is about 25 or 30 years old and has 86 hours on it (run twice each month just to keep tabs on it). The metal tag on the unit says D3-152I. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a three-cylinder, 2.5 liter engine? Any opinions on this engine or its suitability for conversion to SVO use would be appreciated. And if anyone has any literature on it or a closely related engine, I'd love to know! Thanks, Christopher Witmer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA Links Lung Cancer, Diesel Exhaust
Hi, It was a brief of an EU document, but I did not save the link. Try the EU commission site. Hakan At 11:49 AM 9/13/2002 +0200, you wrote: Hi Hakan The only thing that they agree on is the large casualties caused by exhaust. Switzerland and France estimated that the yearly fatal casualties was around twice as much as from road accidents. Do you have a reference for this please? James Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the air exhausted? Does it operate like a four cycle engine or 2 cycle? On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:13:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work? http://www.theaircar.com/UKPressrelease.html#Eng How does it work? 90m3 of compressed air is stored in fibre tanks. The expansion of this air pushes the pistons and creates movement. The atmospheric temperature is used to re-heat the engine and increase the road coverage. The air conditioning system makes use of the expelled cold air. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
i know all about that perkins engine, it is a 3 cylinder 152 cid . they were made in england, and were mainly used in massey ferguson tractors. they are very easy on fuel easy to repair and are one the cheapest engine to overhaul. they also start good and these motors stay together. they have a very long stroke, it should run ok on svo, they are a tough engine Christopher Witmer wrote: Anyone familiar with the Perkins D3152 engine? I have located one that is about 25 or 30 years old and has 86 hours on it (run twice each month just to keep tabs on it). The metal tag on the unit says D3-152I. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a three-cylinder, 2.5 liter engine? Any opinions on this engine or its suitability for conversion to SVO use would be appreciated. And if anyone has any literature on it or a closely related engine, I'd love to know! Thanks, Christopher Witmer Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=229441.2336363.3766536.2225242/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1189558/R=0/*http://www.bmgmusic.com/acq/ee/q6/enroll/mhn/9/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:43:40 -0500, you wrote: Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the air exhausted? Does it operate like a four cycle engine or 2 cycle? Hard to say. Here is a more-detailed link: http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
they don't :-) technically, a compressed tank of air runs a air motor (steam engine) connected to the wheels. unfortunately, you can't carry enough air for a reasonable range, and you waste much more energy compressing the air, than you get back from it. for further info, see http://www.howstuffworks.com/question133.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Air car. Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work? GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
I got a bridge to sell you .. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car. Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work? http://www.theaircar.com/UKPressrelease.html#Eng How does it work? 90m3 of compressed air is stored in fibre tanks. The expansion of this air pushes the pistons and creates movement. The atmospheric temperature is used to re-heat the engine and increase the road coverage. The air conditioning system makes use of the expelled cold air. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
40 bhp (30 Kw) at 1850 rpm, 3cyl, water cooled diesel see http://www.heimer.com.br/professional_i.htm for fuel consumption and other info. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:44 PM Subject: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine Anyone familiar with the Perkins D3152 engine? I have located one that is about 25 or 30 years old and has 86 hours on it (run twice each month just to keep tabs on it). The metal tag on the unit says D3-152I. Am I correct in my understanding that this is a three-cylinder, 2.5 liter engine? Any opinions on this engine or its suitability for conversion to SVO use would be appreciated. And if anyone has any literature on it or a closely related engine, I'd love to know! Thanks, Christopher Witmer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
like a steam engine. 4 cycle doesn't make sense if there is no combustion. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car. Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the air exhausted? Does it operate like a four cycle engine or 2 cycle? On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:13:39 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work? http://www.theaircar.com/UKPressrelease.html#Eng How does it work? 90m3 of compressed air is stored in fibre tanks. The expansion of this air pushes the pistons and creates movement. The atmospheric temperature is used to re-heat the engine and increase the road coverage. The air conditioning system makes use of the expelled cold air. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
looks like they are using a 4 cycle design. sort of a combustion power stroke, kinda. weird. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:43:40 -0500, you wrote: Ah, thanks. I guess I should have been more specific. It was a long day... How do they control the air going into the engine and how is the air exhausted? Does it operate like a four cycle engine or 2 cycle? Hard to say. Here is a more-detailed link: http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
I am going to continue to watch their efforts with an open mind. I am interested to find out what energy efficiency they are able to realize in converting the air into motion. I am also interested to learn the energy efficiency of compression. From their web page it would appear that there is more than one compression scheme (one for home, one for on the road, though I'm not quite sure what this means). There is usually one or more pretty severe drawback to each proposed competitor for the IC engine, and I am aware that range is a drawback of this proposed car (as it is for batteries). But I want to see what they have to say. The extremist environmentalist case, such as where air really is virtually unbreathable in certain cities, is one that can be made in some cities. From what I understand, for example, Mexico City really does get very bad when it comes to air pollution, to the point where some vehicles can only be legally operated on alternate days, and in the face of such a problem it is perhaps not inappropriate to consider such engineering compromises as air cars. Maybe that law is no longer in place? This is not to say (of course) that other compromise sollutions, such as battery-powered vehicles, increased electric-train use, etc. etc. are not also worth considering. they don't :-) technically, a compressed tank of air runs a air motor (steam engine) connected to the wheels. unfortunately, you can't carry enough air for a reasonable range, and you waste much more energy compressing the air, than you get back from it. for further info, see http://www.howstuffworks.com/question133.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
Thanks, Steve. The table at the link below is especially interesting since the engine I'm looking at is in fact part of a genset. Do you know what the meaning of the abbreviations CV and g/CVh are in the context of this table? Gratefully, Christopher Witmer Steve Spence wrote: 40 bhp (30 Kw) at 1850 rpm, 3cyl, water cooled diesel see http://www.heimer.com.br/professional_i.htm for fuel consumption and other info. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
Hence the 5# bag of #13 rubberbands in the glove box... :-) Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car. they don't :-) technically, a compressed tank of air runs a air motor (steam engine) connected to the wheels. unfortunately, you can't carry enough air for a reasonable range, and you waste much more energy compressing the air, than you get back from it. for further info, see http://www.howstuffworks.com/question133.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: [biofuel] Air car. Can anyone tell me how air powered cars work? GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
PREThe air car makes sense, I don't know much but I know that air under pressure could ignite it's energy. The only problem is that it takes a large quantity of air for such a small amount of energy.I' heard about ten years ago that an engine can run on air alone so this is not something new. Imagine how many people who work for petroleum companies would be unemployed. Remember this country is built on what is consumed on what you save. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Got th job (to Keith... and others too)
Dear Keith, I«m just writing to let you know I was given the job in the U.S., at Environmental Engineering Technology, so if the US Consulate grants me the H-1b visa, I«ll be able to go and live over there in Virginia in a couple of months, after the firm (and it«s law office) has completed all the paperwork. I«m a bit off track with the biofuels list, though I«m still receiving it at home. I«ve had little time to go through it, though, given I«ve been arranging the job issue (I travelled to the US for the interview last weekend) and with my graduation and everything. I plant to keep in touch from time to time, as I have come to consider all you guys as very good friends. Anyway, I«m not sure if I«ll be able to continue as an active member, though I«ll check in from time to time. Special thanks to all of you, but specially to Keith, Todd, Steve, Dana, Ken, Craig and those who helped me with my first steps in the biodiesel field. Thanks for your constant support, and keep up the work the biofuels list and the journey to forever page are two things you should really be proud of, and I wish you the best of luck in those projects, as your effort has enlightened and continues to enlighten the path of those who seek to deepen their knowledge in this promising field. Your role as a mentor and leader I value much, and I sincerely wish you all the best. Sincerely, Christian Lenoir Buenos Aires, Argentina member since mid 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Got th job (to Keith... and others too)
I'll have to make the 3 hour trip to see you. let me know when you arrive. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christian Lenoir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Got th job (to Keith... and others too) Dear Keith, I«m just writing to let you know I was given the job in the U.S., at Environmental Engineering Technology, so if the US Consulate grants me the H-1b visa, I«ll be able to go and live over there in Virginia in a couple of months, after the firm (and it«s law office) has completed all the paperwork. I«m a bit off track with the biofuels list, though I«m still receiving it at home. I«ve had little time to go through it, though, given I«ve been arranging the job issue (I travelled to the US for the interview last weekend) and with my graduation and everything. I plant to keep in touch from time to time, as I have come to consider all you guys as very good friends. Anyway, I«m not sure if I«ll be able to continue as an active member, though I«ll check in from time to time. Special thanks to all of you, but specially to Keith, Todd, Steve, Dana, Ken, Craig and those who helped me with my first steps in the biodiesel field. Thanks for your constant support, and keep up the work the biofuels list and the journey to forever page are two things you should really be proud of, and I wish you the best of luck in those projects, as your effort has enlightened and continues to enlighten the path of those who seek to deepen their knowledge in this promising field. Your role as a mentor and leader I value much, and I sincerely wish you all the best. Sincerely, Christian Lenoir Buenos Aires, Argentina member since mid 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
you are forgetting how much petroleum will have to be burned to compress the air. next .. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car. PREThe air car makes sense, I don't know much but I know that air under pressure could ignite it's energy. The only problem is that it takes a large quantity of air for such a small amount of energy.I' heard about ten years ago that an engine can run on air alone so this is not something new. Imagine how many people who work for petroleum companies would be unemployed. Remember this country is built on what is consumed on what you save. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Looking for a more powerful website? Try GeoCities for $8.95 per month. Register your domain name (http://your-name.com). More storage! No ads! http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info http://us.click.yahoo.com/aHOo4D/KJoEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Got th job (to Keith... and others too)
HLawyers pickin' your brains right off the bat? Sure hope their the left kinda' lawyers, rather than the type that lean to the right Congrats. You'll be spittin' distance from Appal Energy, presuming yee be a champion spitter! Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Christian Lenoir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]; biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Got th job (to Keith... and others too) Dear Keith, I«m just writing to let you know I was given the job in the U.S., at Environmental Engineering Technology, so if the US Consulate grants me the H-1b visa, I«ll be able to go and live over there in Virginia in a couple of months, after the firm (and it«s law office) has completed all the paperwork. I«m a bit off track with the biofuels list, though I«m still receiving it at home. I«ve had little time to go through it, though, given I«ve been arranging the job issue (I travelled to the US for the interview last weekend) and with my graduation and everything. I plant to keep in touch from time to time, as I have come to consider all you guys as very good friends. Anyway, I«m not sure if I«ll be able to continue as an active member, though I«ll check in from time to time. Special thanks to all of you, but specially to Keith, Todd, Steve, Dana, Ken, Craig and those who helped me with my first steps in the biodiesel field. Thanks for your constant support, and keep up the work the biofuels list and the journey to forever page are two things you should really be proud of, and I wish you the best of luck in those projects, as your effort has enlightened and continues to enlighten the path of those who seek to deepen their knowledge in this promising field. Your role as a mentor and leader I value much, and I sincerely wish you all the best. Sincerely, Christian Lenoir Buenos Aires, Argentina member since mid 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Air car.
It makes sense until you do an energy analysis. Efficient compression requires the temperature stay the same. In practice this is very much NOT the case and thus in the real world losses are huge. Kirk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:38 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Air car. PREThe air car makes sense, I don't know much but I know that air under pressure could ignite it's energy. The only problem is that it takes a large quantity of air for such a small amount of energy.I' heard about ten years ago that an engine can run on air alone so this is not something new. Imagine how many people who work for petroleum companies would be unemployed. Remember this country is built on what is consumed on what you save. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
Thank you Professor Kirk! ;-) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine metric horsepower a unit of power, defined to be the power required to raise a mass of 75 kilograms at a velocity of 1 meter per second. This is approximately 735.499 watts or 0.986 32 horsepower. The unit is also known by its French name cheval vapeur or its German name pferdestrke. 197 grams per kilowatt hour or 144 grams per metric horsepower hour. Those numbers are quite good BTW Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine It's a rate of fuel consumption. I'm trying to find what the units are, and a conversion table, but 197 g/kWh = 144 g/cvh Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine Thanks, Steve. The table at the link below is especially interesting since the engine I'm looking at is in fact part of a genset. Do you know what the meaning of the abbreviations CV and g/CVh are in the context of this table? Gratefully, Christopher Witmer Steve Spence wrote: 40 bhp (30 Kw) at 1850 rpm, 3cyl, water cooled diesel see http://www.heimer.com.br/professional_i.htm for fuel consumption and other info. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine
metric horsepower a unit of power, defined to be the power required to raise a mass of 75 kilograms at a velocity of 1 meter per second. This is approximately 735.499 watts or 0.986 32 horsepower. The unit is also known by its French name cheval vapeur or its German name pferdestrke. 197 grams per kilowatt hour or 144 grams per metric horsepower hour. Those numbers are quite good BTW Kirk -Original Message- From: Steve Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 7:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine It's a rate of fuel consumption. I'm trying to find what the units are, and a conversion table, but 197 g/kWh = 144 g/cvh Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards: http://www.green-trust.org Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Need info on Perkins D3152 Engine Thanks, Steve. The table at the link below is especially interesting since the engine I'm looking at is in fact part of a genset. Do you know what the meaning of the abbreviations CV and g/CVh are in the context of this table? Gratefully, Christopher Witmer Steve Spence wrote: 40 bhp (30 Kw) at 1850 rpm, 3cyl, water cooled diesel see http://www.heimer.com.br/professional_i.htm for fuel consumption and other info. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 8/21/2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Air car.
you are forgetting how much petroleum will have to be burned to compress the air. next .. Fossil Fuels such as coal and natural gas in power plants, but petroleum would seem less likely. Very few electricity producing power plants use petroleum. Hawaii and maybe a few other places. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
