Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Doug, Amazing. Hitler would have been a guaranteed success as American talk show host. Hakan At 04:51 AM 7/10/2005, you wrote: Hakan, Rush Limbaugh represents the views of a substantial number of Americans, enough that we have the president and legislator we have today. Another

Re: [Biofuel] A look in the mirror for America

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
Very good point here. I cannot understand how people can see these images and still not see the truth. Outside the US, I'm sure the images are readily available, but we live in a media bubble here. There is one instance of someone showing true images of the Iraq war, and that is Michael

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
There is a reason he kisses the saudi representative, and holds his hand looking at flowers and kills Iraqis like ants... Ryan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism,

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
I have always been impressed with Clinton's ability to speak, and cause people to listen. It is because of his presidency that I slowly began to take note of politics. While I still consider myself uninformed, I felt much more confident about the candidates in the previous election than most

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Robert: robert luis rabello wrote: There has been plenty of discussion concerning the nature of the value systems undergirding the evil in our world. Have you been paying attention? What happened in London is yet another symptom of a far deeper problem. Sure. I was speaking

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
- Original Message - From: "Hakan Falk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Ryan, At 05:23 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: snip What is the probability thatthey would love and be

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
well said keith, I can't believe he gets around the whole world with this. Ryan - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid Hi Hakan and all snip

[Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel engines?

2005-07-10 Thread graveshouse
Hello, I've been looking at different ways to use diesel motors in my lifestyle, burning biodiesel and/or WVO. I've run into several people who've said that this or that particular motor won't burn biodiesel. I'm confused, since I'm fairly sure I've read here and other places that ANY

[Biofuel] Terrorism defined

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
The State Department defines terrorism as premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. In another useful attempt to produce a definition, Paul Pillar, a former deputy

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Todd: Appal Energy wrote: Why would you find it "fascinating?" People build bombs. People blow up and never see their loved ones again. People get maimed, scarred and disfigured for life and perhaps never look at anything in the same fashion again, much less in a natural fashion.

[Biofuel] Biodiesel Tax Credits

2005-07-10 Thread Bill Jones
Does anyone have any experience/knowledge about federal tax credits for biodiesel use? Thanks! Catherine Jones ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Who are you quoting please? I can't find that word used in the discussions, let alone in that context. I'm guilty of reading between the lines. One group quotes

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Tim Brodie
Hi Kim: Kim Travis wrote: Actually I think Canada was hijacked long before Regan, it was Trudeau that did it. He took a strong independent country and put in all kinds of extravegant government services. He also patriated a constitution that stripped all the rights we had under english

Re[2]: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender
Hallo Todd, Amen and well said brother. Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 09 July, 2005, 22:20:29, you wrote: AE Tim Brodie, AE I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum AE about London. Lots of argument about what each person thinks AE their unimpeachable

question on desert storm was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings Todd, While I was buried under a ton of philosophy books during desert storm, back in Canada, I have never heard the following: At 09:20 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote: Granted, Kuwait was invaded. Granted, Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oilfields. Granted, Iraq took no effort to

Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-07-10 Thread r
We are cutting ourselves from fuel source options, by wasting land that can be used to grow plants for biofuel, just when the demand gets strong enough to create new markets for biofuel products. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the mid-Atlantic area where I live, it's sad to see prime

Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-07-10 Thread r
Anybody heard of the Direct Democracy League? What do you think of it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately voting Libertarian had nothing to do with getting rid of these extreemists... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Paddy, Actually, according to the President's FY2006

[Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tim Hi Keith: Keith Addison wrote: Lots of argument about what each person thinks their unimpeachable sources of information say. Who are you quoting please? I can't find that word used in the discussions, let alone in that context. I'm guilty of reading between the lines.

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ken Keith Addison wrote: You'll find societies that ate mostly vegetables and not much meat, and others that ate mostly meat and very little vegetables or grain, but none that only ate vegetables and grains and no meat. Again, I don't think that I suggested that anyone else should

[Biofuel] Quote of the day...

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
I think there is a legitimate feeling, 'Why me? What did I do wrong?' Florida Gov. Jeb Bush http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=925895 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I think we both missed the biggest change that happened during his reign, History was replaced with Social Studies. Now the people have no idea what has been done before or where they have been as a people. They are doomed to repeat it. sad. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:40 AM

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh: Paul Harvey

2005-07-10 Thread the skapegoat
That is pretty disturbing. However, he is implicating Saudi Arabia. Interesting that a right wing-type would be doing that...Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi DougHakan, Rush Limbaugh represents the views of a substantial number of Americans,enough that we have the president and legislator

Re: Fwd: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-10 Thread bob allen
Howdy Ken et al Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want to eliminate meat from your diet, then you need to find another way of getting the protein meat provides. Actually, getting enough protein on a vegan diet is not at all a problem. However, you do

Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Richard Anybody heard of the Direct Democracy League? What do you think of it? Not heard of them, but there are some previous discussions following a direct democracy initiative in Gibralter planned by list member James, you might find it interesting:

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Tim snip I finally figured it out, too improbable for me. Personally? Were I of Arab descent? I'd be mad as hell. And knowing how easily it is for humans to be impatient and act or react rather than wait for a slow, bureaucratic, greedy internatiionally intwined monster to even

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Hitler would have been a guaranteed success as American talk show host. Some similarities Hakan, but even Limbaugh is only marginally popular. Most of my right-wing friends see him for precisely what he is - a showman who's painted himself into a corner. A lucrative corner at that. Even

Re: question on desert storm was Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Kim, Will you please provide references for this? Granted, Kuwait was invaded. Granted, Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oilfields. Granted, Iraq took no effort to resolve the issue diplomatically. Which part? I presume the former and the latter are rather uncontestable. So as to the

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Tim, It is amazing that the word terrorist is so often used without any valid definition. Too often it is a label on people who oppose a bully. With the way the label terrorist is used today, US is a product of terrorism against the English and French. During WWII, the poor Germans were

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Hakan Falk
Tim, I am a bit curious, how long have you lived in Sweden or maybe you are Swedish? Did you know that most of todays socialistic governance in Sweden, was modelled after US ideas and governance? What do you know of Napoleonic law, other than that the Hansa and Napolean system was the

Re: Fwd: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
bob allen wrote: Howdy Ken et al Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com wrote: I think you mean beans and grains here. There are several traditional dishes where beans and grains are present. My late fathers favorite- beans and corn bread (he wasn't a vegetarian, but grew up dirt poor where meat was

[Biofuel] meat grown in the labs....

2005-07-10 Thread Bede
Further to the current discussion... http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/83C43DC5-EB8F-4504-A9D3-4E25CE6B7F05. htm Meat can be 'grown' in laboratories Laboratories using new tissue engineering technology might be able to produce meat that is healthier for consumers and cut down on pollution

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread robert luis rabello
Tim Brodie wrote: Sure. I was speaking specifically about the event of 7 7. Indeed, you were. And though you were correct in that nobody had specifically mentioned the events of last Thursday, we have discussed the overall milieu in which terrorist crimes breed MANY times in this

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
Keith said: I suppose you could feed it to pigs if there's some pressing reason not to sell it, but the rational thing to do is to sell it, or you risk cutting the profitability of a major segment of the farm to perhaps below economic levels. It's the sustainability aspects that will

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
LOL! - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid- limbaugh Doug, Amazing. Hitler would have been a guaranteed success as American talk show host.

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com wrote: Why do you object to milk production? Or is it, again, that you're objecting to industrialised milk production? I wouldn't say that I object to milk production at all, I am questioning the sustainability of the practice and also the nutritional value to

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-10 Thread r
If we assume that the human body knows what it needs, then if human milk is the most appropriate to feed humans, how come we are drinking cow milk instead of human milk? How about industrialized human milk production? That should help to cure/prevent a fair amount of diseases prevalent in

Re: Fwd: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even so, a few years ago i started cutting way back on my meat intake on the recommendation of my doctor. i enjoy it just as much as ever, but have found that i am now eating a much greater amount of vegetables, and considerably less fat intake. this without any

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread capt3d
i'm far from convinced that it was al queda, or even arab/islamist terrorists of any stripe. -chris b. In a message dated 7/9/05 11:43:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find it fascinating that virtually nothing has been said in this forum about London. Lots of argument about what each

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
r wrote: If we assume that the human body knows what it needs, then if human milk is the most appropriate to feed humans, how come we are drinking cow milk instead of human milk? How about industrialized human milk production? That should help to cure/prevent a fair amount of diseases

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Hans Reuchlin
Yes, and yes.. However, there remains one problem, the covert actions of governments, i.e. regime change(or the facilitation thereof) in far away countries.. One country comes to mind, Venezuela. With it's oil riches, and firebrand president Chavez( hey, they tried to oust him short of killing

[Biofuel] biodiesel and WVO in all liquid cooled Diesel

2005-07-10 Thread Richard Rovinsky
I believe you need to ask someone who knows more about biodiesel and the equipment you are powering with it. Of course, the safe answer given by anyone who doesn't know will be no. Investigate their knowledge of biodiesel before asking that question. I think the real answer is...it depends.

[Biofuel] Biodiesel Tax Credits

2005-07-10 Thread Richard Rovinsky
Catherine, I am no tax expert, but I can tell you this...short answer: You aren't going to get a tax credit for biodiesel if you aren't already paying tax on biodiesel. Does that make sense? Long answer: As I see it, being able to produce biodiesel averts road use taxes, currently

Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

2005-07-10 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
Gustl, Which is why I didn't join the Libertarian Party, or any party for that matter. Everytime I look up a particular political party, I find something that I don't agree with. I think I will just stay an independent, as I have for the last 17 years. I voted for Badnarik in the last

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Tim Brodie, The choice of the word fascinating was in reference to traffic on this list, not about the horror of the events of London. I think you'll find that most people on this list are rather well grounded and don't get too knotted up in sensationalism and table talk. As I mentioned,

Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
My mother and grandfather swear by this stuff. I have no affiliation with this site, it was on google. I haven't taken any of this colostrum, but my grandfather and his girlfriend say it saved their lives. I am not sure of the valitidy of this, as we see in America, advertising can create a

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Ryan Hall
We don't teach history in schools any more. We teach dates to be tested. I honestly can't remember much from Social Studies class. I just memorized and tested and forgot...but it got me through school. Ryan - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-10 Thread capt3d
hi, ken. sorry, did it sound like i was suggesting that non-meat/non-animal protein sources are hard to find? that wasn't my intention. they are, in fact and as you say, plentiful. though it is best to make sure you're getting the full complement of amino acids. this requires a bit of

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread Appal Energy
Rather tidy qualifier here Mr. Brodie, By all means we should look to fixing the causes, if it is legitimate for us to do so. Always nice to leave enough wiggle room as to justify irresponsibility. Would you care to give me 10:1 odds were I to guess as to who gets assigned to determine

Re: [Biofuel] give up meat?

2005-07-10 Thread Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, ken. sorry, did it sound like i was suggesting that non-meat/non-animal protein sources are hard to find? that wasn't my intention. Well that is what I got out of it but. they are, in fact and as you say, plentiful. though it is best to make sure you're

Re: [Biofuel] It's imperialism, stupid

2005-07-10 Thread capt3d
yeah, and now rushie et al are about to go to irak on their truth tour to tell the side of the war that the media i afraid to. (i know, it's hard to make sense of that for me, too) -chris b. ---BeginMessage--- well said keith, I can't believe he gets around the whole world with this. Ryan

Re: [Biofuel] Terrorism defined

2005-07-10 Thread capt3d
funny, i remember how the turck-bombing of the marines headquarters in lebanon was called a terrorist attack and those who carried it out were called terrorists. to this day, when it is brought up by commentators/pundits these terms are used. -chris b. In a message dated 7/10/05 12:06:51