Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly and jellybiofuel

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
Wauw !! Somebody - and not JUST somebody - on this forum writing in real Dutch. Very good Keith. You're not kidding? You're very kind, but I don't think it's real Dutch. It's been a long time, it's a horrible mixture of bad Dutch and even worse Afrikaans. I can remember just enough to see the

Re: [Biofuel] Re: A beginners titration question

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Fred Keith, Great Information, You got ribbons too? :-) No ribbons. My daughter might want one!! Ah, well, Fred, for her, of course, special arrangements can always be made. I hope she won't mind if it's wrapped round a bunch of roses though. All best Keith fred On 8/11/05,

Re: [Biofuel] washing?

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
Greetings the skapegoat I did notice that a lot of the chemistry in the book was wrong. His main argument seemed to be against losing the energy in the methanol that was washed out. He does recommend not using BD with certain types of tubes, as the methanol will destroy it. Because of the

Re: [Biofuel] Experience with DSE/dieselsecret.com

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hey paul, I read the site, it almost sounds too good to be true. It also sounds as though they are selling you some common chemicals that they want to make a secret in order to ensure profitability. If it works as well as they say though, more power to them. I do not have a diesel right

Re: [Biofuel] Re: Re: A beginners titration question

2005-08-12 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello again Doug. The forming of FFA in the presence of water is an auto-catalyst process, meaning that the more FFA:s there are, the more rapidly the further production of FFA:s. This is due to the fact that this is an acid-catalyst reaction which will continue for as long as there is water

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Ian, Solidification is generally a bad thing to have happen to your BioD. Solid BioD doesn´t flow so your engine cannot start. Although it is possible that it might store for longer periods of time. That idea just popped into my head. I have no idea if it´s true but it would make sense as

Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test

2005-08-12 Thread Jeffrey Tan
Jan, Thanks for the tip. We tried it and without stirring, there were clear yellow deposit on the bottom. The biodiesel did not disolve fully in the methanol like you said. So does this mean the next time I do another batch, I have to increase the methanol to the sodium? Any suggestion?

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Price

2005-08-12 Thread Gregory Petit
Hi, for Belgium you can find prices on http://www.brandstofprijzen.be/ (in Dutch). On the main page you can find the current prices at the pump. These prices are the maximum prices as decided by the government. When you click on the left menu on officiele prijzen you'll have more details.

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Ian Hi Tom Let me see if I 've got this right. BD made with Animal fat solidifies at a higher temp than WVO? This could be handy info as a lot of the chippies here use lard.Fortunatley I think I've got onto a source of WVO. Diesel prices in NZ are now a $1 pL for your interest Have

[Biofuel] Solar technique could lead to cleaner, cheaper hydrogen

2005-08-12 Thread F. Desprez
News Published online: 4 August 2005; | doi:10.1038/news050801-11 Sunlight used to smelt zinc Mark Peplow Solar technique could lead to cleaner, cheaper hydrogen. The solar tower can produce temperatures up to 1,200 °C © Weizmann Inst. Scientists have found a way to harness the Sun's

Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead

2005-08-12 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, I have some, but they are over 10 years old. The Literacy Volunteers of America will have them, or can get them. The directors use them for writing fund raising proposals and for raising awareness. Actually, anyone directly involved in literacy will have them. The Bedias

Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test

2005-08-12 Thread Jan Warnqvist
Hello Jeffery, the clear phase at the bottom is likely unreacted oil. It seems likely that your oil has contaminations which inhibit the trans-esterification reaction. Do not change your recipe at first hand, get yourself a little oil that you know is OK, maybe from the supermarket and try your

Re: [Biofuel] The Auto Industry's Last Hope

2005-08-12 Thread Mike Weaver
Oh, Ford and GM managed to sell most of what they have at cost - employee pricing unloading a flood of SUV's on the US just when gas is crusing towards 3,00 a gallon. Be interesting to see what happnes this year. They've staved of death for a bit, but their business model is not one that

Re: [Biofuel] Quality Test

2005-08-12 Thread Appal Energy
Try increasing the temp of the methanol. Some saturated fatty acids gel at reasonably high temperatures, even in the 50's and 60's. . Jeffrey Tan wrote: Jan, Thanks for the tip. We tried it and without stirring, there were clear yellow deposit on the bottom. The biodiesel did not

Re: [Biofuel] The Auto Industry's Last Hope

2005-08-12 Thread Appal Energy
Michael, You omit the part of the bell curve where people first stop spending, doing away with their lavishness, avarice, excess and programmed purchases as a result of personal examination of what can be dispensed with. A $2.00 pot of pot of stew or beans that will feed six starts to look

Re: [Biofuel] Sustainable World Coming

2005-08-12 Thread Joe Street
Yes let's have a good revolt. Starting today. I'm in. Joe Ken Provost wrote: on 8/11/05 6:01 PM, Michael Redler at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how can anyone not believe that a worldwide revolt is in the future of us or our children unless there is a spike in public education -

Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly and jellybiofuel

2005-08-12 Thread Pieter Koole
Velen bedankt, maar in een 3rde Wereld dorpje is wallpaperglue nie so maklik te vind, en jy kan dit ook nie maklik self maak van locally available renewable resources. Veel dank, maar in een 3e wereld dorpje is behangplaksel niet zo makkelijk te vinden en je kan dit ook niet makkelijk zelf

Re: [Biofuel] washing?

2005-08-12 Thread the skapegoat
Why "wash" it out? Why not evaporate it and recover it, even as small a value as it is, rather than flush it with the wash water? Actually, that's what I was asking about when I mentioned distilling the BD. Do you have the apparatus you are talking about? It sounds like a rather complicated

Re: [Biofuel] washing?

2005-08-12 Thread the skapegoat
I could be wrong, but I wonder when Joshua last made biodiesel. Have a look at this:http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.htmlRe: [biofuel] Best Processer Okay then, here's a question. Why don't you write a book? I mean you're a journalist,andjournalists write things.

Re: [Biofuel] washing?

2005-08-12 Thread bob allen
Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused: Epsom salt is hydrated magnesium _sulfate_ not sulfide. Regardless, your advice is sound as always. Appal Energy wrote: His main argument seemed to be against losing the energy in the methanol that was washed out Why wash

Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel

2005-08-12 Thread F. Desprez
Ian Theresa Sims a écrit : (...) Diesel prices in NZ are now a $1 pL for your interest over € 1,1 in Belgium and France (source : tvbe [belgium sat tv] yesterday night) fd ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Price

2005-08-12 Thread F. Desprez
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Dear All Is there a website that I can access that list the current price of diesel (at retail) in all the countries or most of the countries? Dear alone, Many sites found by google Among them, for Europe, several in English and... concerning the English

Re: [Biofuel] Sustainable World Coming

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi all and Mike, In a way, this site is part of the revolution already. By sharing what we know with each other we defeat those who wish to monopolize information and knowlegde for greedy purposes. Sure there are those of us who have businesses and will profit by our work. We're talking

[Biofuel] Hirsch report on peak oil

2005-08-12 Thread marilyn
Half a year after its release, the Hirsch report on peak oil written for the US Dept of Energy has not been published. You can find it on the site below, as well as many other articles related to oil and energy. http://globalpublicmedia.com/ Scroll down and click on: Where Is the Hirsch

Re: [Biofuel] Sustainable World Coming

2005-08-12 Thread Michael Redler
"Corporation like big chemical and big oil are dinosaurs and we all know what happened to them during the last big climate change." I like that analogy. MikeTom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all and Mike, In a way, this site is part of the revolution already. By sharing what we know

Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power

2005-08-12 Thread Mecánica Agrícola
Sorry for your loos Hakan I now something about, at home I loose a drill and some others and tools just five weeks ago. But remember: time is a good medicine Well done Foxy! Regards: Sven ___ Mecánica Agrícola Fac. Cs. Agrarias -

Re: [Biofuel] washing?

2005-08-12 Thread Appal Energy
Thank you Bob. I'm mentally frayed this week. Lucky the wine cask is empty or I'd be plopped down right next to it. Todd Swearingen bob allen wrote: Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused: Epsom salt is hydrated magnesium _sulfate_ not sulfide. Regardless, your

Re: [Biofuel] The Auto Industry's Last Hope

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi all, Does this mean that the most Republicans were wrong about market driven health care and Hilary Clinton was right? Maybe not but it sure seems that way, doesn't it. Tom Irwin From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005

[Biofuel] Medical system was The Auto Industry's Last Hope

2005-08-12 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, Actually they are both wrong. As long as the biggest contributors to the cost of medical education are the drug companies, health care will be a problem. They do not teach health in the medical schools, they teach curing disease which is not the same thing. Knowledge of good nutrition

[Biofuel] Too Much of Nothing

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/176 Foreign Policy In Focus | Commentary | Too Much of Nothing By Tom Athanasiou | August 01, 2005 Editor: John Gershman, IRC Foreign Policy In Focus www.fpif.org Oh, when there's too much of nothing, No one has control. Bob Dylan It's getting harder to hide

[Biofuel] Warming Hits 'Tipping Point'

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0811-03.htm Published on Thursday, August 11, 2005 by the Guardian/UK Warming Hits 'Tipping Point' Siberia feels the heat: A frozen peat bog the size of France and Germany combined contains billions of tonnes of greenhouse gas, and for the first time

[Biofuel] EPA Holds Back Report on Car Fuel Efficiency

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072805Q.shtml t r u t h o u t - EPA Holds Back Report on Car Fuel Efficiency By Danny Hakim The New York Times Thursday 28 July 2005 Detroit - With Congress poised for a final vote on the energy bill, the Environmental Protection Agency made an

[Biofuel] Energy Bill Extends Oil-Wasting Fuel Economy Loophole

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0811-03.htm Public Citizen FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE AUGUST 11, 2005 11.43 AM CONTACT: Public Citizen (202) 588-1000 Energy Bill Extends Oil-Wasting Fuel Economy Loophole Legislation Shields Automakers From Legal Challenge, Will Increase Oil

[Biofuel] Bush's Energy Disaster

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/23999/ Bush's Energy Disaster By Joshuah Bearman, LA Weekly. Posted August 11, 2005. The long-delayed energy bill signed into law last week will wreak havoc on the planet while padding the pockets of the oil industry. As the Senate cast its votes on the

Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
... and then there's all this: http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade by Russell Mokhiber Introduction Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Brief List Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Annotated Version Check this out: For Richer, by Paul Krugman

Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
... and then there's all this: http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade by Russell Mokhiber Introduction Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Brief List Top 100 Corporate Criminals -- Annotated Version

Re: [Biofuel] ain't no chemist

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Brian, I think your right about favorites being regional. I live in Uruguay that has only wood as an easily obtained carbonaceous fuel. I've heard rumors that yesterday President Chavez of Venezuela agreed to help out the current government here by selling us crude at below current market

Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-12 Thread Brian Rodgers
Genetically Modified Maize Not Found In Southern Mexico (August 12, 2005) Contrary to what many scientists thought, genetically modified (GM) corn has not yet spread to native maize crops in southern Mexico. After analyzing tens of thousands of seeds from maize crops grown in 2003 and 2004,

Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima

2005-08-12 Thread Brian Rodgers
August 12, 2005 Good morning. I have been forwarding information from the Biofuels email list to Dad to bounce ideas off of him. He is a retired chemist. He lent us Lifting theFog: the Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a documentary. My wife and I didn't get a lot out of this documentary

Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-12 Thread Keith Addison
Ump... Twice? Sorry! :-/ Keith ... and then there's all this: http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/top100.html Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade by Russell Mokhiber Introduction snip ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima

2005-08-12 Thread robert luis rabello
Brian Rodgers wrote: That was gruesome. Want to talk about Biofuels again? Sure! Let's do that. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/

[Biofuel] magnasol

2005-08-12 Thread Vincent zadworny
hello all, first i would like to catch you up on what happening here at the recycling company i work for. we are now running b100 in a truck made by yours truely which is making my boss exstatic. thank you to all on this list for all the help and info. with out it i would have blown myself up

[Biofuel] Diesel fuel retail price in the Philippines

2005-08-12 Thread Vin Lava
Hi, In the Philippines (where they deregulated the fuel industry a while back) diesel fuel costs US$0.51 per liter more or less. And it's been going up US$0.01/liter almost every two weeks! Before anyone says it's cheap, the government-mandated minimum daily wage is around US$0.56 per hour. One

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Price

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi All, This should make an interesting list. I´m in Uruguay and we pay 20.9 pesos per liter or about U.S. $0.836 a liter or for the non-metric (shame on you) about U.S. $3.24 a gallon. Tom Irwin From: F. Desprez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 12 Aug

Re: [Biofuel] washing?

2005-08-12 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi all, For those of you that needs it, the glycerol can alsobe converted via anaerobic digestor to methane for stoves and boilers. Not such a good idea for city folk but on the farm it should be fine. Tom Irwin From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:

Re: [Biofuel] Diesel Price

2005-08-12 Thread robert luis rabello
Tom Irwin wrote: Hi All, This should make an interesting list. I´m in Uruguay and we pay 20.9 pesos per liter or about U.S. $0.836 a liter or for the non-metric (shame on you) about U.S. $3.24 a gallon. Up here in B.C., diesel at the pump this afternoon was running 97 cents per liter.

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-12 Thread Doug Younker
Earl, Impossible for the lone individual to protect their own basic rights. Recognition of that is way we attempt the rule of law. There is socialism and there are social programs, they aren't the same thing. The radical right is depending on a sufficient number of persons not understanding

Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes

2005-08-12 Thread Doug Younker
I would have to guess that was intended as sarcasm. However across the USA you could read similar editorial opinions and letters to the editor and they ARE serious. Scary really. Doug - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August

Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism

2005-08-12 Thread Doug Younker
I can see the future now. A Kansas National Guard Helo following a small creek with soldiers peering down with binoculars. They are no longer looking for wacky tobacky, but the subversive gardener or farmer using heritage seeds. Doug - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-12 Thread KinsleyForPrez08
Mike, Where do I start? First, I have a real problem with any government (U.S., state, local) taking my hard earned money (in the form of taxes) and redistributing it to others. Now, there are legitimate things that each of these levels of government can spend taxpayer dollars on, namely,

Re: [Biofuel] titanium

2005-08-12 Thread Doug Younker
Perhaps Jeremy was thinking of platinum as used in catalytic heaters? Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-08-12 Thread robert luis rabello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I start? Oh boy! First, I have a real problem with any government (U.S., state, local) taking my hard earned money (in the form of taxes) and redistributing it to others. You live in a country where you have the ABILITY to earn your money,