Dear listmates,
There has been traffic on both lists about the need to scale up
production of biofuels to economical levels, and that has triggered
much thinking on my part. Until now I, too, had been concentrating on
industrial scale processes - admittedly still not on a very large
industrial
Tell us more!
Marc de Piolenc
Dick Carlstein wrote:
ken, we are presently delivering small (800 liters/day in two batches)
biodiesel plants in the argentina-uruguay area, and will be happy to
exchange info on these. oil used is mainly sunflower. cheers dick.
Biofuels at Journey to
Keith Addison wrote:
ASomeone's been trying to sell me on an additive
to reduce NOx. Apparently it does indeed reduce NOx, and
simultaneously CO, but otoh I think NOx is an overblown problem, I'm
always a bit suspicious when people chuck the NOx objection at
biodiesel. Better to debunk the
Rich Hudec wrote:
I am a new subscriber to this group so forgive me if this question has
been discussed recently.
Does anyone know if it is possible to replace gasoline with some type of
biofuel?
Both ethanol and methanol can be used in spark-ignition engines with
minimal modification;
Clever, and it should work, albeit at very low efficiency - typically
10% or less. One advantage is that your Peltier devices can be the
cheap, low-temp variety. You'll probably be able to use the scheme for
auxiliary power - accessories. Doubt you'll recover enough useful energy
for propulsion,
I could not have told you that, because I didn't know that until I
learned it from your message, below! Perhaps a message in which somebody
else's post was quoted? Interesting, though...
Marc de Piolenc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marc de Piolenc told me last year that emulsified fuels can
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oops sorry Marc - it was ages ago - I could have sworn it was you.
Pity I never saved the email so the credit could go the the right
person :)
The person concerned said the test unit was a single cyl generator.
The exhaust glowed red on emulsified fuel. It
I don't know if the folllowing will be of any use to those interested in
emulsion fuels, but it's what I have on file.
1. Mix gas with water for more MPG? Popular Science, date unknown.
Refers to an article on an ultrasonic emulsifier that appeared in Pop.
Sci. November 1972. Describes work of a
Thanks!
Marc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Turndown is the ability of the boiler plant to run at part load.
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Basically, the reason for excluding water from diesel fuel - aside from
its devastating effect in cold climates - is to prevent corrosion of the
injection system.
A water mist is helpful in moderating combustion and boosting output
under come circumstances, but it, too, must be used with caution
Somebody wrote:
*i think the improved mileage is due to improved engine efficiency,
similar
to turbo-charging. with water's latent heat allowing a larger charge
into
the combustion chamber, and steam also contributing, the net result is a
greater mean effective pressure. ergo, less fuel for the
All fuel burned in an internal combustion engine is burned as vapor -
combustion of drops proceeds, first, by vaporization of the outer layer,
then combustion of the vapor.
The only difference between vapor carburetion and the ordinary kind is
WHERE vaporization takes place.
Vapor carburetion
Message: 1
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 22:22:25 -0400
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Acrolein = Black Death?
Relative to acrolein production from glycerin, Appal's resident wise man
(no, not me, the chemist) had the following to say after reading the post
immediately
Hanns Wetzel in PNG wrote:
Does anyone know what proportions of ethanol and potassium hydroxide
per
volume of palm oil have to be used to produce biodiesel from palm oil,
or
does anyone know of a site on the web where this process is described
like
on the URL mentioned above.
I am looking for
I plan to post to the files area two proposals from, of all agencies,
NASA, that could be of interest to the group, but here are excerpts.
LAR-14895:
In one version of this process,castor oil would be added to an
ethanol/water solution.The ethanol would mix freely with castor
oil,which is
All the recent traffic about glycerol and about absolute alcohol was
making my brain itch - I had seen something, somewhere that actually
tied those two things together.
Here it is, from E. Boullanger: Distillerie Agricole et Industrielle
(Paris: Ballire, 1924), translated rather freely from
I am hugely gratified by the interest in this on the List. I inquired
first because I feared that either this would already be common
knowledge or nobody would care.
I will scan the relevant pages today for Monsieur Ricardo, then resume
translating. The final product will likely be a .pdf file
Dana Linscott wrote:
One of our project members has requested that I
investigate the possability of methanol production
using corn cobs as a feedstock.
Consisting of mainly cellulose I imagine that a
destructive distillation might be the route to go.
Does anyone have a lead for more
Dana Linscott wrote:
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:07:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Glycerine and absolute alcohol
Lots of interest here!
Am I to understand that this has potential to lower
energy requirments for alcohol production including
steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
found a company in the UK that sells diesel model airplane engines.
forget
the name might be in the archives.
Diesel model airplane engines have nothing in common with real
full-scale diesels except compression ignition of the fuel charge. They
don't
This is of interest - a means of improving alcohol yield from
fermentation.
http://www.rpi.edu/dept/chem-eng/Biotech-Environ/FERMENT/vacferm.htm
Marc de Piolenc
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To
Looking into what I have on file about alcohol crops, I find the
following quote about jerusalem artichoke:
Since one acre of Jerusalem artichokes yields about 28 tons of tubers
under average conditions and 1 ton of tubers yields some 19 gallons of
alcohol...
That yield per acre seems a bit too
David Reid wrote:
That figures is basically true although yield obviously
depends on
a a number of factors such as quality of land, fertilizer, weed
infestation,
rain, insects, etc. That is probably about average for good land.
Somewhere
I have all the information here and I believe it
Derek Hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been considering ways to commercially produce biodiesel in
India. My
own thoughts have been along the lines of cargo containers. I want to
get
everything operational in 8 x 8 x 20 foot containers. They could be
hauled
about, set-up on site, etc. They
David Reid wrote:
Will dig out some more information for you over the next week or so on
Jeruasalem artichokes if I get a chance. How long are you in the
Phillipines
for? If you are going to be there for awhile it may pay to get some seed
from the World Seed Bank and do a few growing trials.
Derek Hargis wrote:
Yes, you're probably right. That was one of the reasons that I
mentioned
thinking to restrict myself to designing within only 20 foot containers.
Then, I think a lot of the interior of the container is going to be
empty
space surrounding the machinery. I had hoped to move
David Reid wrote:
In NZ while containers are loaded by overhead cranes at the
container terminal (wharf) most transport is then by speciallly fitted
semis
which have hydraulic hoists front and back which can unload and reload
fully
laden containers by lifting them over the side and onto
Dear Hanns et al.,
The separation of coconut oil from coco milk (the water should be
separated out before oil extraction, as it contains no oil) using heat
is generally abandoned here due to low extraction efficiency and high
energy use. I do not, unfortunately, have numbers, as the analyses and
Gerry wrote:
Mature coconuts would be required as they have thicker kernel with have
more oil after they have been sun dried.
The plants I'm looking at are not based on copra (sundried coconut
meat), but on fresh nuts.
Are you quite sure that mature nuts have more oil? The meat is harder in
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't bank on receipts for crude glycerin to make a business plan
work.
In house refining or conversion maybe.
That's what I'm being told, so I'm looking into products FROM glycerine
that have a larger market and/or higher market value. Acrolein (which
Dear Listmates,
This appeared out of the blue. Anybody know anything about this outfit?
Should we turn them on to biofuels?
Marc de Piolenc
Iligan, Lanao del Norte
Philippines
SCiNet Technological Support wrote:
Dear Sir,
Your inquiry was forwarded to these offices where we manage and
Somebody posted a link not too long ago to a Web site giving, in about
14 pages, a simple scheme for distilling alcohol. I downloaded the pdf
version of the document, but the file is corrupt and I need to try
again.
This was not a site reachable from the Biofuels page.
Help!
Marc de Piolenc
http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=VEGGIEPOWER-05-22-01cat=AN
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Tony Ackland wrote:
Are you refering to the StillMaker design ?
That's the one!
The site for it is http://stillmaker.dreamhost.com
I also have a copy of it on my site;
http://www.geocities.com/kiwi_distiller/still.pdf;
Thanks - downloading now.
I also have other plans for stills, both pot
Message: 1
Thanks for the continuing input to the container load/unload solution.
It's really amazing how many ingenious ideas there are out there.
For obvious reasons I favor solutions that don't require improvements at
each drop site - there could be very many of those in a country where
the
John Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried using the mixture of refined coconut oil (FFA removed) 20 parts
to one part
kerosene, just like what the Thai teacher did. The result was very
impressive:
smokeless and almost odorless. The smell is just like heating oil in
the pan. There is
no drop in
Kirk wrote:
Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For
Human
Consumption.
Here is a summary of a few facts regarding Canola Oil:
It is genetically engineered rapeseed.
Wrong, as pointed out by another listmember.
Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape
Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The sliding frame lowboys I was referring to in an
earlier post are used for transport of large farm
equipment in the US and are not the types later
posters described. These are very simple to build and
sturdy. They do not have drop tails but rather are
David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Attn: Steve, Dana, or others,
Can someone please fully
explain what a 1) Swirl
chamber diesel, and
2) diesel with Precombustion chamber is/are and how they differ from
a standard Direct injection diesel? A bit out of
Subject: Re: More on Jerusalem artichokes
Steve Spence wrote:
my father in law just plowed under 2 acres of Jerusalem artichokes.
they
keep coming up and he can't get rid of them :-(
The books do say that volunteer plants are a problem with all the
sunflower family.
Wish he could send the
Dear listmates,
There has been traffic on both lists about the need to scale up
production of biofuels to economical levels, and that has triggered
much thinking on my part. Until now I, too, had been concentrating on
industrial scale processes - admittedly still not on a very large
industrial
Hanns Wetzel wrote:
Then there is the juice, which apparently gets thrown away. When the
coconut is still green, the juice (I refuse to call it milk) contains
much sugar.
Do not get coconut water or juice confused with milk. The milk is
expressed from the grated meat and contains oil, while the
This article makes the Malthusian error of assuming that a quantity will
continue to grow along a simple exponential, when in fact real living
systems always level off through interaction with others.
Using the same simplistic, pseudo-scientific arguments, one can easily
prove that Mankind is
Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dr. Nering made no claims or stipulations about population growth in
his
analogy. Rather, he used actual estimated increases in global energy
consumption. The 5% growth per annum which he assumed is a global
reality.
Whether the percentage remains,
Dick Carlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keith: A couple of things to add. Biodiesel may or may not be feasible
at the
individual small-peasant level
*or necessary, i might add... bullocks, mules, and such are known to
have
little use for biodiesel, being programmed to run better on
This is quoted from the reverse fuel cell article posted earlier:
-- dividing hydrogen isotopes to remove deuterium and hyson out of
cooling circuits of nuclear reactors
what the heck is hyson? Has tritium been renamed?
Marc de Piolenc
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Dear Listmates,
The recent discussion of wood hydrolysis reminded me that I had promised
to translate the relevant parts of Boullanger's treatise from French
into English; this I am finally doing.
I also found good information on saccharification in Haegglund's
treatise on wood chemistry. I
In translating and collating what I have in my library about hydrolyzing
wood cellulose to get fermentable sugars, it occurred to me that there
is a much better source of cellulose than wood, and that using it would
allow two birds to be killed with one stone.
I refer of course to waste paper.
Todd wrote:
Could you give some clarification as to theoretical yields of ethanol,
methanol and other value added byproducts per metric ton of paper
feedstock in the scenario you mention below, as well as energy inputs?
One could use yield data from virgin pulpwood as baseline and venture
Some tantalizing words from How to Make your Own Alcohol Fuels, by Larry
W. Carley (2nd Ed: Tab Books, 1981):
Starches and cellulose can be broken down by acid hydrolysis or enzyme
hydrolysis.
With acid hydrolysis, the feedstock material is ground up and mixed with
a dilute acid solution to
From another list:
From: Michael Karpov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now I would like to propose 2 themes for discussion.
1. We have a very big yeast factories in ex-USSR, yeasts were cultivated
on
wood hydrolysates or oil fractions. This industry gave up to 1 million
tones of fodder protein per year,
Much has been said on this list about petroleum being covertly
subsidized, but without specifics.
I would be grateful for a reference to information on this topic,
because I am unable to reconcile the claim that petroleum is the
beneficiary of hidden subsidies with the high rate of excise
Dr. Rudolf
Diesel developed the diesel engine in the late 1890's in order to use
peanut oil as fuel.
WRONG. Diesel's original plan was to use powdered coal. Liquid fuels
were first used in compression-ignition engines in France by Capitaine,
but the engines have always been called Diesel
An NREL document lists the following publications about microalgae as
fuel sources. I thought I had a DOE document on the subject, but I can't
find it now.
Brown,L.M.(1993).ãBiodiesel from Microalgae: Complementarity in a Fuel
Development Strategy. äProceedings: First Biomass Conference of the
Finally found my reference, namely Diesel Aviation Engines by Wilkinson:
Abundance of coal in Germany and the idea of utilizing coal dust for
fuel undoubtedly influenced Dr. Diesel when he applied for a patent. The
first one issued to him, Patent No. 67,207 dated February 28, 1892,
specified an
Steve Spence wrote:
That still does not take away from his demonstration in 1900 at the
worlds
fair on peanut oil and his quote in 1911 the Diesel engine can be fed
with
vegetable oils and would help considerably in the development of
agriculture
of the countries which use it. and in 1912 the
Steve wrote:
the point is, if you generate 1kw from solar, shouldn't you store 80%
in a
battery (ev) instead of 30% in a hydrogen tank (fuel cell ev)?
That should be kilowatt-hours, rather than kilowatts, since we're
talking energy rather than power.
1. You'd be darned lucky to actually store
Last weekend we finally moved all but one of my file cabinets out of my
container and into my home, and I've spent my free time since then
chipping rust, repairing pendaflex folders and having more fun than a
kit at Christmas. It has been over ten years since all my files were
housed where I
Kirk wrote:
Carbon or graphite moderated cores have a fatal flaw. If it catches
fire you
are in deep do do.
This rather begs the question, doesn't it? If the graphite burns, it's
because air has entered the core - and if that has happened you ALREADY
have a far more serious problem than a
Mati Kokk wrote:
But can these reactors withstand terrorist attacks
with modern anti-tank missiles? Or attacks with
nuclear missiles?
Bring on all the antitank missiles you want - several meters of
steel-reinforced, prestressed concrete containment, plus several inches
of high-grade steel,
Keith wrote:
So global warming's a plot, GMOs are good for you, and now nukes are
cleaner than Kleenex? They just had a bad press? And as with the
other two, no references, no citations, just opinion, unsupported, no
visible foundation (same as bubbles, which soon burst). It's not a
very
You wouldn't think so from the publicity that BNFL puts out. Come and
see
how safe Windscale/Sellafield (change the name get rid of the problem)
is.
You can eat your tea off the floor,or at least off the glossy brochure.
That
reactor was the same design as Chernobyl.
Absolutely false.
Recently resurrected from storage:
Anderson, Russell E.: Biological Paths to Energy Self-Sufficiency (Van
Nostrand Reinhold, 1979). Very useful because it's a monograph, by an
author who really did his homework. The style and presentation are
therefore completely consistent throughout the book.
Neat! An old technology becomes new again. The article does get the
shell confused with the surrounding fibrous husk or coir, but that is a
common mistake. The thin, hard, dense shell makes excellent charcoal and
is a good starting point for making activated carbon for industrial
purposes. The
But I have to say without reservation that this piece of nuclear
mis-and
dis-information (see below) is pure, unadulterated, horse crap cow
flop of
the highest order.
Whew! Watch that blood pressure, and try to stick to facts rather than
invective.
Junk science is junk science if it ignores
Not to take anything away from Millenium Cell (except that I hate their
Steven Spielberg-inspired name), but this is still storage technology
that begs the question of how the hydrogen gets made in the first place
and where the energy for that comes from.
Looks very nice as a solution to the
Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:36:27 -0400
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Can't Make Pancakes out of Cowflop was Re: Cowflops
Following your train of thought, that Junk science is junk science if
it
ignores contrary - and readily
available - facts, it would be
The NRC calculates that this level of
radiation release
spread over the population will cause 12 cancer
deaths per reactor.
Possibly true (can't verify the numbers, but know them to be non-zero).
Now let's have the excess death figures for other forms of power
generation, starting with
Another effusion:
..
PREFACE:
...
No, Marc.
I believe that the true matter behind your point is that you would
prefer to
obfuscate the issue(s), deriving some extremely peculiar form of
personal
satisfaction.
Coal? It Kills.Nuclear? It Kills.
Subject: Re: RE: Diesel Aircraft
Actually, it's strange that more diesels haven't been used in
planes. The low
revving powerband is ideal, most auto-gas engine conversions have to use
a gear rpm
reducer for the prop, since they badly lose efficiency over 2000 rpm. I
suppose
weight is a
DynaCam ( a company in California) has
recently certified their unusual engine. Gasoline version. I remember
many years
ago when they were developing it there was talk of a two-stroke and a
diesel
version, apparently nothing came of that.
The Dynacam engine has had a type certificate since the
if anyone can find the book diesel aviation
engines by paul h. wilkinson it was published in 3 editions ,by new york
aeronautics
council inc. in the early 1940`s.
I have a master for that book, and sell photocopies both bound and
unbound. Contact me off list if interested or check ABE.
Marc de
In March 2000, Gorte and colleague John Vohs, professor and chair of
chemical engineering at UPenn, reported developing a fuel cell that
could run on butane, the first fuel cell to operate on a fuel other
than hydrogen.
Don't the dufuses who report these things EVER do their homework? There
... Mr. Clements said threats from the air -- such as missile attacks
and crashing airliners -- haven't been given much thought, and that
these installations are just as defenceless to such an attack as the
Pentagon and other office buildings.
If he means defenseless in the sense of being
If the containment was adequate why did the judge in the 3 mile Island
case
order reinforcement of the containment structure? The basis for the
extra
expense, and construction delay, was 3 Mile Island constituted an above
average risk due to flight path and the power plant location.
The court
Uh, I think I'll go with Tom Clements. Both he and the Nuclear
Control Institute have a long history and a good track record in
these matters. Whereas you, Marc, have not exactly covered yourself
in glory defending matters nuclear here. Last time your main
authority was some 30-year-old book,
The Germans were doing this back in the 1930's.
Not with microorganisms! I would love to learn the details of this
process.
Marc de Piolenc
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Kill terrorists, not freedom!
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither
Fischer-Tropsch conversion of synthesis gas to oxycarbon alcohols or
into synfuel hydrocarbons (syn-gasoline, diesel, jet fuel) which is
first made by coal gasification processes (invented back in 1917 by
Hitler's synthetic fuels scientists) is probably the cheapest way I
know of to produce
Re: Ethanol from coal - historical note (no tech content)
history point hitler was not elected he was appointed by the chansler (
i
for get his name) greg m
Of course that's true, Greg - though not terribly significant. In
countries with a parliamentary system (the more common form of
Today,
using much of the same data,
No way. Even where the same climate records are used, new ways of
crunching them and of correlating them with each other, with other
evidence and with huge amounts of new data have produced new and much
improved information from the old records. An early
Well said Keith, this guys numbers are totally out of
whack. They are so far from correct, that I suspect that
Christoper is a paid propaganda writer. His words sound
very much like someone who is involved in the black ops
profession. It seems like every list that is set up to do
some public good
Subject: Re: Global warming b.s.
You keep coming back with this stuff, eh, Marc? You get debunked, you
wait a few months and then try it again as if it never happened.
Sorry - must have missed the message that debunked me; all I remember
was a lot of orthodoxy being spouted.
Will
you be
Subject: Re: Global warming b.s.
And of course you have reputable references and are willing to
forward them for the benefit of all, yes? References which
support the claim of seasonal pre-existence and no increased in
loss of stratospheric ozone?
Just to amuse myself, I did a WebFerret search.
And I'm sure that you'll also notice that the compilers at this
site don't refute ozone depletion as the myth that you would
suggest or have others believe.
I did notice that they hew to the Party Line - which is still tenable if
you are only aware of errors in reduction of the SATELLITE data.
Quick note: I was considering castor plants as an energy crop for use
here in the Philippines. What deterred me was that Purseglove lists
castor plants as soil-depleting, requiring extensive fertilization to
maintain soil productivity. Further inquiry revealed that castor used to
be cultivated
I might as well jump in with the obvious comment - namely that more than
cracking is required to make hydrocarbons from lipids, so something is
being left out.
I also fail to understand the exertions with zeolites, etc. to obtain
light fractions, when enormous gains can be realized with
From the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition (1910):
METHYL ALCOHOL (CH3OH),the simplest aliphatic alcohol; an impure form is
known in commerce as wood-spirit, being produced in the destructive
distillation of wood. The name methyl, from [EMAIL PROTECTED], wine, I%?J, wood,
explains its
Spotted the following while looking through my synthetic fuels files.
It's from a 1935 report by the [Belgian] National Scientific Research
Fund. Tranlated from the French, it reads:
Fuels Obtained by Cracking Fatty Oils [i.e. vegetable oils]
It was already noted some time ago that certain
From: James E. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is the technology. Current conversion processing produces
biodiesel which must sell for three or so times the cost of regular
diesel.
Marketing is not the problem, cost is.
Hear, hear! Coco-based biodiesel was being produced here as
Jim Miller wrote:
Marc:
Where are you located and what is your connection with biodiesel and
Phillipines.
I'm in Iligan City, on the northeast corner of Mindanao near where the
Zamboanga Peninsula joins the mainland of the island.
My interest in biodiesel is in connection with a rather
reduce one's risk of being in
an accident in the first place - but if a collision does occur you're
better off in a Bronco than in a beetle. Under winter driving conditions
a 4x4 SUV - competently driven - is also safer in an accident-avoidance
sense.
Marc de Piolenc
--- F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL
No entry for sodium borohydrate in the Merck Index. The following
pertains to sodium borohydride:
NaBH4
cubic crystals
..in the presence of various metallic salts reacts smoothly with water
yielding 2.4 liters of hydrogen per gram...
No info on synthesis, but said to be commercially
Has anybody done any digging on-line?
What do we know about this process so far? I must have missed earlier
posts, so all I have is the name INEEL and the fact that it involves a
solid catalyst.
Marc de Piolenc
--
Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776
They that can give up
Students:Terence Fong, Elliott Owen
Coach:Rani Takhar
Electro-Lipid Propulsion System.
This hybrid combustion/electrical engine uses lipids (namely glycerol)
instead of gas to create a powerful engine that reuses half of its
explosive
force and requires fewer cylinders. The accompanying
While looking for something else, came up with a copy of US Patent
1,704,213, Apparatus for the Continuous Manufacture of Absolute
Alcohol and scanned it. Anybody want it?
Marc de Piolenc
Iligan, Philippines
--
Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776
They that can give up
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