Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
This is a good question about what can be done with CO2 besides putting it back into the atmosphere. Lets say energy is no problem from solar, nuclear, can things like polymers etc be made out of this stuff? But what was important to me was to develop a sense of where we stand as far as the concept of artifially dealing with some of the CO2 surplus problem. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
Maybe we could use all that carbon for printing and writing. We could fill our toner cartridges with it, or make pencils from it! This revolutionary invention will not only save the environment, but it could possibly usher in a new golden age of literacy for the peoples of the world! -BRAH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:15 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming Hi all I'd like to have a few hundred lbs of carbon black to go dust the two feet of snow in my driveway with on sunny mornings. Fred On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 14:51 US/Eastern, bob allen wrote: 2. What would be done with the Carbon? I don't think there's enough of a market for the few products mention for Carbon Black to warrant being so cavalier about the matter. If you're talking about separating enough Carbon from Oxygen to make a difference to Global Warming, I think you should have better thinking in place as to what to do with the Carbon. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
No you don't You will have a black house,barn,car dog and cat . it will be in every little crack in your skin as well. it is a great cheap pigment but it is attracted to every thing else as well Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
x-charset ISO-8859-1murdoch wrote: http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=6001 I was intruiged by it. The point to me wasn't the spin that the snip 1. How much energy would it take to separate Carbon from Oxygen? The laws of thermodynamics are clear: more than you get by burning the carbon in the first place. 2. What would be done with the Carbon? I don't think there's enough of a market for the few products mention for Carbon Black to warrant being so cavalier about the matter. If you're talking about separating enough Carbon from Oxygen to make a difference to Global Warming, I think you should have better thinking in place as to what to do with the Carbon. 3. Keith mentioned the danger of releasing so much O2. This is an non issue. The oxygen which would be released was in the atmosphere previously before being combined with the carbon from combustion, so there would be no net gain. I'm not sure what to make of whether or not it would be good to release so much O2. I refuse to get into being overly-dismissive of any idea, so if this inventor has an idea he wants me to consider this idea for ameliorating our CO2 global surfeit, I'll try to give it some fair consideration. me either, unless the idea is patently silly, which this one is. -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
Hi all I'd like to have a few hundred lbs of carbon black to go dust the two feet of snow in my driveway with on sunny mornings. Fred On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 14:51 US/Eastern, bob allen wrote: 2. What would be done with the Carbon? I don't think there's enough of a market for the few products mention for Carbon Black to warrant being so cavalier about the matter. If you're talking about separating enough Carbon from Oxygen to make a difference to Global Warming, I think you should have better thinking in place as to what to do with the Carbon. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
x-charset ISO-8859-1http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=6001 I was intruiged by it. The point to me wasn't the spin that the inventors were putting on it. That is par for the course. Many inventors (not all, but many) fall prey to stupid worthless thinking that their achievement is the be-all end-all. I basically dismissed that nonsense before I set eyes on the article. A society needs many inventions and devices and technologies to function, (and some human behaviour achievements and ideas on top of that) and there is no such thing as a be-all end-all device, even if some are more wonderful than others. But what was important to me was to develop a sense of where we stand as far as the concept of artifially dealing with some of the CO2 surplus problem. Don't get me wrong. I don't think I presently advocate anything other than stopping the production of surplus and letting the earth eco-system's natural inbuilt self-protective processes take some action. But still, I want to be aware of what the artificial advocates are thinking. We have gone from the Conservatives coming into power in 2000 actually daring to be serious about the probably-unbelievably-destructive idea of storing CO2 at the bottom of Oceans in liquid form. While we seem to have abated their enthusiasm for that primitive (and in my view, somewhat revealingly assinine) notion, we do need to be aware of it when they come up with something else. To my eye, the immediate challenges to this artificial notion are: 1. How much energy would it take to separate Carbon from Oxygen? 2. What would be done with the Carbon? I don't think there's enough of a market for the few products mention for Carbon Black to warrant being so cavalier about the matter. If you're talking about separating enough Carbon from Oxygen to make a difference to Global Warming, I think you should have better thinking in place as to what to do with the Carbon. 3. Keith mentioned the danger of releasing so much O2. I'm not sure what to make of whether or not it would be good to release so much O2. I refuse to get into being overly-dismissive of any idea, so if this inventor has an idea he wants me to consider this idea for ameliorating our CO2 global surfeit, I'll try to give it some fair consideration. On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:57:55 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Hi Bob This looks silly to me as well and came across it while doing a google news search for global warming, about 1,600 hits with all manner of things presented. Regards, Ken this seems very silly, at least in thermodynamic terms. I don't care what magical process you use it requires just as much (actually more) energy to to reduce carbon dioxide to carbon as you get from oxidizing it in the first place. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
Hi Bob This looks silly to me as well and came across it while doing a google news search for global warming, about 1,600 hits with all manner of things presented. Regards, Ken this seems very silly, at least in thermodynamic terms. I don't care what magical process you use it requires just as much (actually more) energy to to reduce carbon dioxide to carbon as you get from oxidizing it in the first place. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
x-charset ISO-8859-1 this seems very silly, at least in thermodynamic terms. I don't care what magical process you use it requires just as much (actually more) energy to to reduce carbon dioxide to carbon as you get from oxidizing it in the first place. Ken Gotberg wrote: http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=6001 Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming Dr. Holcomb announced for the first time a revolutionary new technology, Electron Stream Carbon Dioxide Reduction (ESCO2R) commonly called the Carbon Dioxide Converter that goes to the heart of the current environmental problem. see above The scientific community has been focusing its attention on chemistry-based solutions to the overwhelming problem of global warming and hazardous carbon dioxide emissions, said Dr. Holcomb. The unique technology of the Carbon Dioxide Converter permanently splits the molecular structure of carbon dioxide into its basic elements - carbon and oxygen. chemistry schmesitry, its thermodynamics- This converter functions in a similar way for other toxic greenhouse gases such as sulfur dioxide, the major cause of acid rain. This proprietary technology uses a patented and patent pending closed loop system that burns any fossil or carbon based fuel with zero harmful emissions. These fuels include coal, oil, gas, and any biomass including waste and landfills. A significant byproduct of this process is carbon black, which is used in the production of tires, printing ink, and as a pigment for plastics. the only way this would work at all is if you could extract only the energy in the hydrogen fraction of the hydrocarbon. And I can assure you you would have mountains of carbon piling up very quickly. The Black Veatch report, also released today, found the demonstrations observed provided convincing data that indicated carbon dioxide generated during the combustion of the coal was converted back into carbon and oxygen by the CO2 Converter. This was clearly indicated by calibrated, reliable gas analysis equipment. I am not saying you can't do, I just suggest that you can't do it and produce power at the same time. -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
Re: [biofuel] Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming
Ken Gotberg wrote: Apologies if this has already been posted. Wonderful! So we (of the advanced industrialised societies) can go right on burning up our greedy and wasteful share of energy resources that aren't even ours as if there's no tomorrow, let's all get even bigger SUVs, and, hey, we even get a few billion tons of tires and printing ink out of it and can paint all the plastic stuff black. Haven't you perhaps noticed the sorry history of such tech wizardry that sticks a band-aid on the symptom instead of trying to deal with the cause? Not sure I believe it anyway, sounds like a free lunch somewhere. I wonder what would happen to all the oxygen? Nasty poisonous explosive gas - delicate business, the balance between the ecosphere and the atmospheric oxygen content. Keith http://www.solaraccess.com/news/story?storyid=6001 Breakthrough Purports Answer to Global Warming Auckland, New Zealand, February 2, 2004 [SolarAccess.com] The technological breakthrough which the world scientific and health communities have been desperately seeking to solve the problem of green house gases and global warming may be one step closer thanks to Dr. Robert R. Holcomb, M.D., Ph.D., an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine. sip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
