Ted, in my experience, working with a number of inventors in the private
sector (in a small Government program providing grant support for the
development of inventions - DOE's Energy-Related Inventions Program), after
the development and testing of the prototype, and this was particularly
Hi Keith and Everyone,
I would be glad to post a small part of the process
using a solid catalyst from the Fox/Ginosaur et al
Patent. Hopefully this will give everyone an idea as to
how difficult the process really is and may shed some
light on the ongoing mystery about this fabled process.
It
Hi Glenn
snip
Is Lockheed Martin going to market this particular technology?
Not unless it falls within their mission interests to do so.
Which it might do - they're involved in hybrids, and biodiesel makes
good sense with hybrids.
Is the
Government going to market this technology? I don't
I just did a search of the US patent office website entered Fox AND
Ginosar in the inventor terms search and got patent # 6,103,948:
Solid catalyzed isoparafin alkylation at supercritical fluid and
near-supercritical fluid conditions
Abstract:
This invention relates to an improved method
Hi Arne,
This is not the Patent on the biodiesel process !
David Cruse
- Original Message -
From: Arne P. Ryason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid Catalyst
I just did a search of the US
Has anybody done any digging on-line?
What do we know about this process so far? I must have missed earlier
posts, so all I have is the name INEEL and the fact that it involves a
solid catalyst.
Marc de Piolenc
--
Remember September 11, 2001 but don't forget July 4, 1776
They that can give up
09, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
From: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html
US Department of Energy Idaho National Engineering and Environmental
Laboratory (INEEL) scientists have developed a new method that
produces a higher grade biodiesel with less waste
Or rather no catalyst
have a look at
http://www.bioproducts-bioenergy.gov/pdfs/bcota/abstracts/19/z191.pdf
having a go at a processor but I don't think ill stand too close
while I pump the methanol into a 350degrees C tank at 4000PSI ;-)
hope this was a uni professor and not a bored 12YO
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
The Fox-Ginosar process (INEEL) apparently uses a polymer. I posted
this to the list a long time ago, I don't know if anyone
@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener
recipes for making
biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly
guarded industrial
secrets. I got a bit disallusioned
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
From: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html
US Department of Energy Idaho National Engineering and Environmental
Laboratory (INEEL) scientists have developed
Re the solid catalyst that was presumedly developed at Idaho National Energy
Lab about three years ago. How much info was divulged at the time and was
any attempt ever made to patent the technology? Patent laws change, but the
last time I looked at it, after a public disclosure, the inventor
Swarts
Kelowna, British Columbia
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid Catalyst
Re the solid catalyst that was presumedly developed at Idaho National
Energy
Lab about three years ago
Please see David Cruse's message of 1/8/02, Re: [biofuel] Solid
catalyst,, message # 10743:
The famed Fox/Ginosaur process using a solid catalyst, (which to
this date) hasn't been used commercially, is on Delphion.com. I was
lucky enough to download a copy of the Fox/Ginosaur patent from
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
From:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html
US Department of Energy Idaho National
Engineering and Environmental
Laboratory (INEEL) scientists have developed a
new method that
produces
Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener recipes for making
biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly guarded industrial
secrets. I got a bit disallusioned by the polluting effect of the basic
methanol/lye method as it produces a lot of mirky water in the refining
: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
Arne,
I have not heard any further info on the process you
describe. Of course this type of continuous process
biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home
production of BD if made available. It would also work
.
Good Hunting,
David Cruse
- Original Message -
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
In my humble opinion, the process described seems the counterpart to the
alchemists recipe
The Fox-Ginosar process (INEEL) apparently uses a polymer. I posted
this to the list a long time ago, I don't know if anyone ever picked
it up:
A message from Mike Pelly re solid phase catalysts:
I have been getting ready to pick up some of that type of catalysts
but have not till now. Not
in
Argentina).
Hope to hear more on the subject
Regards,
Christian
- Original Message -
From: Dana Linscott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
Arne,
I have not heard any further info on the process
goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener recipes for making
biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly guarded industrial
secrets. I got a bit disallusioned by the polluting effect of the basic
methanol/lye method as it
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solid catalyst,
goat industries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, Dana, there are people interested in finding greener recipes for making
biodiesel. They do seem to exist but are generally highly guarded industrial
secrets. I got a bit disallusioned by the polluting
Is there any known progress on the INEEL process which uses a solid
catalyst to produce biodiesel and food grade glycerin? Two scientists
have developed a continuous process that eliminates the alcohol, base,
acid, water wash steps of making biodiesel. Also, it is a continuous
process,
Arne,
I have not heard any further info on the process you
describe. Of course this type of continuous process
biodiesel/glycerin production would REVOLUTIONIZE home
production of BD if made available. It would also work
well in conjunction with the inexpensive WVO/SVO
processing modules I am
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