Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Hi Darryl Keith, good idea. I'll keep track here too. It will give me an excuse to update my page at http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation . I was thinking there was some something I wasn't thinking of, and that's it. I'd do better to link to your page, and Hakan's site too. I've been wanting to make more links to both your sites. I'll figure something out. Meanwhile, the more ideas the better. It needs some tidying up anyway. I know the feeling! :-( Regards Keith Darryl Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900 To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Title: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day Anyone in Texas has a few choices there is BioDrive in Addison BioWillie at Carl's corner Ecowise on Congress and Austin Biofuels on south slaughter price for b99 with the tax credit is 2.99 b100 is 3.40 and the biowillie 20/80 is about the same price as regular diesel. mel -Original Message- From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 6:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just like theguy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas prices.He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car on theroad due to gas prices. Poor fellow.Mel Riser wrote: I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my driveway. guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck. My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles. I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option. mel -Original Message- From: Mel Riser Sent: Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Cc: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Get the Jetta. Mel Riser wrote: I just came home tonight and found 20 5 gallon jugs of WVO in my driveway. guess I'm gonna be heating some oil this weekend and getting some of the filterable stuff out before i put it in the WVO truck. My wife really got the point when I told her that EACH 5 gallon jug would run my truck for 100 miles and my car for 150 miles. I think she is finally seeing why I keep saying sell the minvan and buy a TDI Jetta or a Jeep Liberty with the diesel option. mel -Original Message- *From:* Mel Riser *Sent:* Mon 8/29/2005 1:35 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Cc:* *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Damn. I wish people would check validity of stuff before they send it around. I have received one or two per day of these bogus emails about sticking it up their collective behinds. I wish more people would write something, anything in their own words and send it around to all their friends. Internet Chain Letters, Yuk. As mentioned here, it is simple to check out a story for rumor content at www.snopes.com I really like the way Barbara Mikkelson writes. Fun informative and she doesn't make you feel like you are an idiot. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to. It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies. Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up their behind day and the people of these two nations should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as manypeople as you can and as quickly as you can to get the word out. Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago? Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? We do! We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after one day, we will do it again and again. So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to everyone you know. Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is enough ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by storms -- and that is often for many days. Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all that will work. KirkStan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to.It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles.At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies.Therefore September 1st has been formally declared "stick it up their behind " day and the people of these two nations should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Arggh. This is an informal intelligence test that has been circulating aroun the Internet for at least 8 years under different guises. IT IS A HOAX. DO PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT. I mean, think for a minute: It has been calculated - by whom? Some bored kid in a dorm? In the US, no one buy gas on Christmas Day and nothing happens. -Mike Home of the 500.00 dollar Nieman Marcus Cookie Recipe Weaver Kirk McLoren wrote: Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by storms -- and that is often for many days. Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all that will work. Kirk */Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to. It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies. Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up their behind day and the people of these two nations should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=31132/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Check email on your mobile phone. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't heard if it. I will check it from now on. I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew this, it would be this group. Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT), Kirk McLoren wrote Choke on their stockpiles. Sigh. Do they choke on their stockpiles when transportation is disrupted by storms -- and that is often for many days. Switching to a renewable fuel and not using fuel by changing life style are all that will work. Kirk Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to. It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies. Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up their behind day and the people of these two nations should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. - Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't heard if it. I will check it from now on. I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew this, it would be this group. Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't heard if it. I will check it from now on. I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew this, it would be this group. Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Bravo Andy! Do you know about the World Carfree Network? http://www.worldcarfree.net/ Subscribe to WORLD CARFREE NEWS: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] eng Best wishes Keith It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing. If errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3. You'd need a global (or at least national) NO DRIVE WEEK. If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for a week it could cause a dip in their profits. I would imagine that if we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and transport that ONE GALLON. Better you should not USE any petroleum products on Sept 1. Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead. I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by Stan (see below). It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered). Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400 From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support.. You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott: Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : Shell. 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco62,231,000 barrels Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Citgo...0 barrels Sunoco.0 barrels Conoco.0 barrels Sinclair.0 barrels BP/Phillips0 barrels Hess0 barrels ARCO...0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott: Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : Shell. 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco62,231,000 barrels Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Citgo...0 barrels Sunoco.0 barrels Conoco.0 barrels Sinclair.0 barrels BP/Phillips0 barrels Hess0 barrels ARCO...0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. *sigh* Yet another hoax. First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they were correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott meaningless. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't heard if it. I will check it from now on. I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew this, it would be this group. Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
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Thanks. I should have looked for this one on Snopes before I sent it. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott: Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : Shell. 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco62,231,000 barrels Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Citgo...0 barrels Sunoco.0 barrels Conoco.0 barrels Sinclair.0 barrels BP/Phillips0 barrels Hess0 barrels ARCO...0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. *sigh* Yet another hoax. First of all, the numbers are flat out wrong. Second, even if they were correct, oil is a fungible commodity, rendering any such boycott meaningless. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/saudigas.asp jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainableli sts.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
Keith, good idea. I'll keep track here too. It will give me an excuse to update my page at http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation . It needs some tidying up anyway. Darryl Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I suppose it's worse than "0". Since in most cars the engine keeps running while stopped, it has the effect of a negative mpg on overall gas mileage.My 2004 Prius' engine stops when the traffic stops, which is great for mpg and air quality. And when traffic is crawling, I can usually rely on the electric motor to give me an overall boost to mpgs. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
I'm gonna drive my car around the beltway *just for fun* just like the guy who was interviewed in the Washington Post last week about gas prices. He was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't afford to keep his car on the road due to gas prices. Poor fellow. Mel Riser wrote: I'm gonna go down and fill up ALL my diesel vehicles with B100 that day. mel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
At the rate Katrina is tearing through the gulf there may not be any gas to buy. Darryl McMahon wrote: Keith, good idea. I'll keep track here too. It will give me an excuse to update my page at http://www.econogics.com/en/enenergy.htm#Transportation . It needs some tidying up anyway. Darryl Date sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:21:24 +0900 To:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day Send reply to: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
I vote for Exxon - they never paid squat for the Valdez spill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support.. You all probably know this, but in case some don't, the following can help in choosing which ones you might decide to boycott: Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil : Shell. 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco. 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco62,231,000 barrels Some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Citgo...0 barrels Sunoco.0 barrels Conoco.0 barrels Sinclair.0 barrels BP/Phillips0 barrels Hess0 barrels ARCO...0 barrels All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of orders. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would definitely get their attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't. 12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when idling in stopped traffic. I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. Darryl McMahon mphee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their lucky to make a nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales. If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly. Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you delivery it, and you sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of it. Just by vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money. On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote effort to take public transportation for a whole month. Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't heard if it. I will check it from now on. I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew this, it would be this group. Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
As others have stated I am sure one day would not do anything. So much is made from oil like the tires and all the plastic peices on that bike you want to ride around. I am new to all this but I don't see how it could be fixed unless we as in all the U.S. and other countries went to vehicals run on moonshine or water or something like that but even if we did that they would find way to charge outragious prices on that. We live in a world where folks are willing to pay over a buck for 16oz of water that must say something in it's self. I think the world has the greatiest shortage of common sense as anything else. - Original Message - From: Andy Karpay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:44 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day It would seem that NOT buying gas on Sept 1 will do nothing. If errands, and gasoline (burning) continues without BUYING it will only be delayed until, say, Sept 2, or 3. You'd need a global (or at least national) NO DRIVE WEEK. If everyone didn't drive, or use gasoline for a week it could cause a dip in their profits. I would imagine that if we were able to cut our gasoline purchasing down to ONE GALLON PER WEEK FOR THE ENTIRE NATION that they would charge 1 billion dollars for that gallon, and find a reason because it was so expensive to produce and transport that ONE GALLON. Better you should not USE any petroleum products on Sept 1. Walk or bicycle, or bio, or veggie instead. I suggest reading it for yourself at the link previously provided by Stan (see below). It reiterates what I have just spewed, and should have just copied it to save my finger's energy (veggie powered). Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:37:32 -0400 From: Stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day This is mostly an incorrect rumor. http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better serve everyone to forward accurate information about alternatives to petroleum. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was forwarded to me, so I am sending it to all of you to forward if you want to. It has been calculated that if everyone in the United States and Canada did not purchase a drop of gasoline for one day and all at the same time, the oil companies would choke on their stockpiles. At the same time it would hit the entire industry with a net loss of over 4.6 billion dollars which affects the bottom lines of the oil companies. Therefore September 1st has been formally declared stick it up their behind day and the people of these two nations should not buy a single drop of gasoline that day. The only way this can be done is if you forward this e-mail to as many people as you can and as quickly as you can to get the word out. Waiting on the government to step in and control the prices is not going to happen. What happened to the reduction and control in prices that the Arab nations promised two weeks ago? Remember one thing, not only is the price of gasoline going up but at the same time airlines are forced to raise their prices, trucking companies are forced to raise their prices which effects prices on everything that is shipped. Things like food, clothing, building materials, medical supplies, etc. Who pays in the end? We do! We can make a difference. If they don't get the message after one day, we will do it again and again. So do your part and spread the word. Forward this email to everyone you know. Mark your calendars and make September 1st a day that the citizens of the United States and Canada say enough is enough ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
