[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread revelonshift
I believe Adobe want not spend anoyher money on implementing SVG plugin compatibility for Vista/IE7, and that's why they announced it. It is very sad, since now SVG is geting more and more popular :-( If they could be at least so helpful to open source codes of ASV 3 / 6dev to community... M.

Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest: personal preferences sought

2006-09-07 Thread Jonathan Chetwynd
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AW: [svg-developers] Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Armin Mueller
I think it is a good thing that Adobe ends the SVGViewer, because everybody knows in the meantime that Adobe has a new technology Flex/Flash and SVG is competing to this. Now SVG has the possibility to grow to a nonpartisan standard which is not influenced by one company But the way Adobe tries

AW: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Armin Mueller
Geoffrey, just a question. Do you know whether XAML is workable on IE7 windows XP, which will be installed by MicrosoftUpdate without installing NETFramework 3.0 too? Armin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Geoffrey

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Marjorie Roswell
Jon, That was beautifully written. Thank you for your work and advocacy in the SVG community. What's the next step for our community to take, regarding items 3, 4, and 5? Margie On 9/6/06, jon_ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pat, Now that I am a member of the community and no longer

Re: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Geoffrey- Yes, I for one welcome our new vector format overlords. ;) I do agree that Flash is a little underpowered in the programming side (from what I've seen). But XAML is way too overworked. I think SVG is in a sweet spot between the two, and it's based on standards that are widely

[svg-developers] SVG and CMYK woes

2006-09-07 Thread chris_hughes22
Hello all I'm new to this group so I apologise if this has been covered somewhere before (no google or yahoo results though!) Background We're looking to adopt SVG formatted documents to produce our images, so far everything is excellent and going to plan except when we get to our Macintosh

[svg-developers] Re: Changing stroke color

2006-09-07 Thread Martin Honnen
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, zedkineece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using ASV 3, and the 'item' element belongs to Adobe viewer's custom context menu option. There are no errors, and when I inserted your code, there are still no errors and no change in color. I am not able

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
Margie, Thanks for the kind words. In terms of possible next steps, I suggest finding a way to express your point of view (professionally, of course) within a blog or a forum that Adobe would read. (I don't know the degree to which Adobe monitors this forum and I am not sure what other industry

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Changing stroke color

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt Martin
Unfortunately, I am behind US Government firewall, and I cannot FTP. I will look at your approach and see if I can implement into my solution. Thanks for all your help thus far. kmartin7 On 9/7/06, Martin Honnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Changing stroke color

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt Martin
Ah! I have been so engrossed about getting this done on time, I just realized that the color is set by a style attribute. Now a totally different quandry: how can I only access reset the color in the style attribute? Here is my style string:

[svg-developers] Re: SVG and CMYK woes

2006-09-07 Thread brucerindahl
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, chris_hughes22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all I'm new to this group so I apologise if this has been covered somewhere before (no google or yahoo results though!) Background We're looking to adopt SVG formatted documents to produce our

[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Jeff Schiller
We can't rely on Microsoft, just like we shouldn't have been comfortable relying on Adobe, to do the right thing and implement native support for SVG for free. There are business considerations that will always take priority. Even if they do it, I fear compatibility issues - their browser

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Changing stroke color

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt Martin
Here is my dilemma. I have pasted a portion of the code to show what I have: *** ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-16? svg version=1.1 onload=InitContextMenu() preserveAspectRatio=xMidYMid xml:space=preserve viewBox=-0.317924 -8.41906 14.3537

[svg-developers] Re: SVG and CMYK woes

2006-09-07 Thread chris_hughes22
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, brucerindahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, chris_hughes22 chris_hughes22@ wrote: Hello all I'm new to this group so I apologise if this has been covered somewhere before (no google or yahoo results though!)

Re: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread John Dowdell
Geoffrey Swenson wrote: Why should I pay almost $1000 for Flash and its tedious, user-hostile graphic editor, the non-intuitive and overly animation-focused timeline editor, when the same $1000 buys me the MSDN library including XAML that was designed from the ground up to be a programmable

[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Robert Russell
Building an IE plugin on top of Mozilla source sounds so appealing and yet disturbing at the same time. A Mozilla/Cairo SVG plugin for IE does sound like it could be a viable technical solution (though I have no exposure to the source to say how big an undertaking it'd be). I don't know what the

[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread m_verstaen
Jon, Do you seriously believe that Adobe will change its plans and modify the course of Flash/Flex to please one or two companies with no impact on Adobe's business? Come on Jon, among all people you should know how Adobe misslead everybody in the SVG community during the past few years.

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jeff- As usual, I think you hit the nail on the head. I have been taking stock on exactly the options you have gone over. Mozilla is open source and of high quality. Renesis has made good progress and is planning some very interesting things for their October release. Amanith is just

RE: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Randy George
Hi Geoffrey, I agree with your analysis. Here's my soapbox for what its worth :) Speaking honestly as a small independent developer, without an IE option sticking with SVG is not really feasible, switching to Flash narrows options and now also has a questionable life expectancy,

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread T Rowley
On 9/7/06 1:19 PM, Jeff Schiller wrote: So where are the open source, cross-platform SVG 1.1 viewers ? What about taking the Mozilla base and developing a browser plugin from that for only SVG support? What about candidates like AmanithVG and Renesis for a SVG 1.2 viewer? Let's get a

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Changing stroke color

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt Martin
I figured it out: function changeStrokeColor(e) { document.getElementById(MSSA).setAttribute('style', e == MSSA ? 'font-family:Verdana;font-size:1.4px;stroke-width:0.015px;fill:#E1;stroke:#E1;stroke-linecap:round;stroke-linejoin:round' :

[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread jon_ferraiolo
Hi Marc, I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to Margie about how best to encourage Adobe to change their policy. I agree that Adobe isn't likely to rethink their commitment to Flash/Flex, but they might rethink some other things, such as making ASV available for downloads after

[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread m_verstaen
Jon, I believe Adobe will consider extending the support and availability of the SVG viewer as a potential problem (even if minor) for Flash and Flex. Why would they maintain a free product which is perceived as a competitor to their paying product? About the possibility to open source the

[svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread tbone58x
So much for W3C establishd standards. How can you just walk away from this on such short notice? How can M$ and Adobe be part of the W3C when they do not adhere to what the group is all about? SVG has been around for nearly five years and is not slated to be part of IE7 - sad... --- In

Re: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
Hi folks, I want to alert the SVG community to a variation on SVG that might prove interesting over the long haul for interactive vector graphics. First, a bit of background. I left Adobe in May to join IBM where I am leading a new industry initiative, the OpenAjax Alliance. This alliance

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Doug Schepers
Hi, Jon- jon_ferraiolo wrote: Hi Marc, I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to Margie about how best to encourage Adobe to change their policy. I agree that Adobe isn't likely to rethink their commitment to Flash/Flex, but they might rethink some other things, such as making ASV

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer

2006-09-07 Thread Phi Tran
On 9/7/06, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jon- jon_ferraiolo wrote: Hi Marc, I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to Margie about how best to encourage Adobe to change their policy. I agree that Adobe isn't likely to rethink their commitment to Flash/Flex, but

Re: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Geoff Swenson
You can get visual studio by itself (without MSDN) for about $500. But it sure is nice having access to all of that other stuff on MSDN. I will check out the Flex2 stuff and see what I think about it, though. However, it is going to take some getting over the bad taste of Flash. amy people have

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Jon Ferraiolo
Guy, I have been biting my tongue, but your email was too provocative. Generally, I agree with your points. My additional comments: * The open source phenomenon is huge. The same phenomenon that transformed the server world (what with LAMP) is starting to affect the client world. Although the

[svg-developers] Re: how to get every item of path element

2006-09-07 Thread jiang_liuchang
nobody understand? --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, jiang_liuchang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Js Language,i use the following code,but svgList has no value! var pathElement=svgDocument.getElementById(_Pie2); var svgList=pathElement.pathSegList; i want to know whether the dom

Re: [svg-developers] Re: how to get every item of path element

2006-09-07 Thread Kurt Martin
Yes, you can access the DOM via javascript. What is pathSegList? On 9/7/06, jiang_liuchang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nobody understand? --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com, jiang_liuchang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Js Language,i use the following

[svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Jeff Schiller
Actually Jon, I agree with both of your recent points... you stole my thunder on both accounts! ;) 1) Watch out for Dojo 0.4 for the cross-browser 2D graphics API (VML on IE and SVG everywhere else). I've been hearing good things, anyway. 2) Watch for IE8+ (i.e. something after IE7) to

RE: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Geoffrey Swenson
Microsoft is not going to be abandoning XAML any time soon. XAML is the graphics engine format for Vista. Dialog boxes, and graphical applications can be designed interactively in XAML tools to be included with the next version of Visual Studio and then compiled and/or interpreted to produce

Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML

2006-09-07 Thread Guy Morton
Jon I hope you're right! My cynicism is born of over a decade of exposure to web technologies, however I do remain hopeful that things will improve. It has always stunned me that anyone would use proprietary, closed technologies when superior, free, standards-based alternatives exist.

Re: [svg-developers] Re: how to get every item of path element

2006-09-07 Thread Cameron McCormack
Kurt Martin: Yes, you can access the DOM via javascript. What is pathSegList? I imagine it is the 'pathSegList' attribute on the SVGAnimatedPathData interface. Liu Chang, there is nothing wrong with your syntax there. You don’t mention what SVG implementation you are using (Firefox, Opera,