Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Roger Schmid
Maybe .. But i do not spend money nor time to do some "missionary work" for what reason ever there is when stuff doesn't work. I've done it for years with spammer friendly hoster which even see the abuse box is a Spam trap, and all the so called number one hoster which never take care about

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Gregor Riepl
> Unfortunately the people who misconfigure do not read RFCs, if they did, > they would not filter. > > They do not read this list either, let alone other resources that they > should be reading. Hence... not something one can solve. BUT: If you find such a person, you can strongly urge them to

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 19:40, Gregor Riepl wrote: >> That does not make IPv6 broken though, that makes people who think they >> have to filter the wrong things broken. >> >> Misconfigurations is not something a protocol can solve. > > There's an RFC for that: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4890.txt > Great

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Gregor Riepl
> That does not make IPv6 broken though, that makes people who think they > have to filter the wrong things broken. > > Misconfigurations is not something a protocol can solve. There's an RFC for that: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4890.txt Great document, even serves as a good primer for folks

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jim Romaguera
Well the point wasn't a personal purchase point. But taking the viewpoint of "someone" who may be deploying / deciding on the deployment of IPv6 in the enterprise, BYOD, etc environments. With one in two SmartPhones in CH Android, the advice of telling 50% of your customers / users to "go

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 15:58, Jim Romaguera wrote: > > On 20.09.2016 15:40, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> Anybody has a proper excuse? :) > > No I don't have an excuse but interested in the communities (& your) > opinion re your challenge... > > o DHCPv6 re Android re enterprise, BYOD, PWLAN, etc

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jim Romaguera
On 20.09.2016 15:40, Jeroen Massar wrote: Anybody has a proper excuse? :) No I don't have an excuse but interested in the communities (& your) opinion re your challenge... o DHCPv6 re Android re enterprise, BYOD, PWLAN, etc environments Is a problem or was a problem / no problem at all?

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 15:29, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> On 2016-09-20 14:56, René Gallati wrote: >> [..] >>> I've activate IPv6 in my home network in 2011 >> >> 2011, thus 5 years after 6bone had shut down and 12 years after RIR >>

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Gert Doering
Hi, On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:20:56PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2016-09-20 14:56, René Gallati wrote: > [..] > > I've activate IPv6 in my home network in 2011 > > 2011, thus 5 years after 6bone had shut down and 12 years after RIR > space has been available. Welcome to IPv6! ;) > > /me

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden René Gallati
On 20.09.2016 13:00, Roger Schmid wrote: Just one .. Dropping MTU handling and point to layer7 should handle that doesnt let you feel strange ? So how could an app handle packet size thru L4 ? Uh what now? In IPv4 you have the DF don't fragment bit in the IP header, if set and exceeds a

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Roger Schmid
Thats why i mentuoned to train techis and your argunent was its a management problem :) About mandatory how come then https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_Discovery .. Sorry to point to Wikipedia .. But been on cell only i dont have the proper doc at hand Em 20 de setembro de 2016

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-20 13:00, Roger Schmid wrote: > Just one .. Dropping MTU handling and point to layer7 should handle that > doesnt let you feel strange ? So how could an app handle packet size > thru L4 ? Both IPv4 and IPv6 have this little protocol called ICMP (+ICMPv6) it is very useful and for IPv6

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Roger Schmid
Just one .. Dropping MTU handling and point to layer7 should handle that doesnt let you feel strange ? So how could an app handle packet size thru L4 ? My experience is soma pages ar crawling like a snake .. Some ar not loading complete at all, for me v6 is still not ready to deploy to the

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Benoit Panizzon
> Management of companies need to be convinced. Technical folks > typically know that they want it, but are not allowed to play with > it... Oh, I have heard a lot of tech excuses: * Why should I bother with IPv6? IPv4 works fine! * There could be potential security issues with IPv6, so better

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-20 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-19 23:53, Roger Schmid wrote: > |Come on folks, it is 2016! IPv6 is > |*20 years* old... > But still not matured enough to put on public usage According to Google 10% of their traffic is IPv6. Apple requires it for IOS. How is it not 'mature'? > beside of some > design flaw it is in

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-19 Diskussionsfäden Roger Schmid
|Come on folks, it is 2016! IPv6 is |*20 years* old... But still not matured enough to put on public usage, beside of some design flaw it is in some cases even bad implemented Maybe the isp/hoster/transit provider ned some teaching how to do it the right way. Em 15 de setembro de 2016

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-15 Diskussionsfäden Jeroen Massar
On 2016-09-15 20:04, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:11:44PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> Oh and note: Dual-stack IPv4 + IPv6, along with a /56 per user. > > What do you want this IPv4 stuff for? That's even, like, 40+ years old. To access those ISPs that didn't

Re: [swinog] Swiss ISPs and IPv6 --- 2016 edition

2016-09-15 Diskussionsfäden Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 12:11:44PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Oh and note: Dual-stack IPv4 + IPv6, along with a /56 per user. What do you want this IPv4 stuff for? That's even, like, 40+ years old. gert -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG