t-and-f: Filothei Women Gala, enty lists

2nd Filothei Women Gala 30 May 2001 Filothei, Greece ENTRY LISTS 100 metersRace 1. Yanoula Kafetzi (GRE), Marina Kislova (RUS), Natalya Safronnikova (BLR), Irina Pukha (UKR), Frederique Bangue (FRA), Georgia Kokloni (GRE)Race 2. Zoe Neratzidou (GRE), Eufrosyni Patsou (GRE), Sade Ogundemi

RE: t-and-f: what gun?

If you think that is interesting, check out the reaction times for those 2 in the official results at www.flashresults.com. More fuel for the no false start rules. Curtis --Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 29, 2001 11:53:22 PM GMT Subject:

t-and-f: VA state meet

Can anyone tell me where the Virginia high school state meet is this weekend and when Alan Webb is running. (I believe he is runnning the 800m.)

t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

I realize that this is all hypothetical but why couldn't he get a 4 year deal with a shoe company that stipulates that he will be attending school and that he controls when and where he can compete? Somebody would have to offer it to him obviously and I don't know whether a shoe company

RE: t-and-f: VA state meet

The Virginia AAA State Meet is Friday and Saturday at Sports Backer Stadium in Richmond VA. I am not sure which day the 800 will be run. John Dye [EMAIL PROTECTED]DyeStat - www.dyestat.comInternet home of high school track field cc -Original Message-From: [EMAIL

RE: t-and-f: Webb - HS vs World JUNIOR all time

Also interesting, is what is Webbs position relative to age group records for 17 and 18 year olds? Jim Kaminsky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Ramsak Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:04 PM To: tf list Subject: t-and-f:

RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

Why in the world would Webb want to sign a 4-year deal with a shoe company, in lieu of NCAA competition? Hewill bein college (read: time to train),will havemost of his expenditures covered (presumably), and have access to fantastic coaching and competition. What is he lacking with this

t-and-f: top U.S. milers on U.S. soil

Who am I missing? 1. Jim Ryan, 3:51.1, Bakersfield (June 3, 1967) 2. Tony Waldrop, 3:53.2, Philadelphia (April 27, 1974) 3. Richie Boulet, 3:53.26, Eugene (May 31, 1998) 4. Dave Wottle, 3:53.3, Eugene (June 20, 1973) 5. Rich Wohlhuter, 3:53.3, Wichita (May 31, 1975) 6. Alan

Re: t-and-f: First American Black sub-4

Isn't this discussion a tad ironic considering the disdain the list has for things such as Bob Kennedy being the first non-African sub-13 5k? Dan __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year!

t-and-f: Jackson's 9:55.63 an American record?

When Ellizabeth Jackson ran 9:55.63 at San Diego on 18 May it was on a track with a 3.06m short pit (as opposed to a 3.66 long pit). This was faster than her American record of 9:57.20 last year. Since a short pit should produce faster times, does this preclude the mark from being ratified as an

t-and-f: Lost talent etc

Netters: Two items. We often speculate on how much lost tanet there is for our sport in the preferenece that so many young athletes have today for the wide variety of team sports available on the junior level. By its very nbature, track and field cannotn compete with the allure of

t-and-f: interesting story about Denis Fykes

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t-and-f: Ja'Warren Hooker in today's Seattle Times...

Title: Ja'Warren Hooker in today's Seattle Times... Hooker's last run as a Husky By Bud Withers Seattle Times staff reporter Ja'Warren Hooker has made a breakthrough. He wouldn't mind another one this week. There on the June cover of Track and Field News - the self-appointed Bible of the

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

The basic issue is two-fold and doesn't really concern Webb: 1) When and why should an athlete leave his/her coach (and also training environs, etc). 2) Why the assumption that the collegiate route is the only legitimate one for athletic development? As far as Webb goes, one thing he could

Re: t-and-f: Webb #19 all-time US

Would the steeplechaser be Jeff Fishback? There was a steeplechaser by that name on the 1964 Olympic team, I believe. David Lesley wrote: Yes, I know Mark Schilling was white, and assuming that nothing unusual has happened, he still is. I tried to look it all up, and Reggie McAfee was

t-and-f: Tommy Fulton

Fred Finke wrote: Fulton did one of the most amazing things I ever saw at NAIA nationals (Henderson University, Arkadelphia, Ark) in I think it was 1973. He ran the 3 mile, 6 mile and mile (3:58.?) and scored in all three. I also think he ran a leg of the 4 x 8 or DMR. He was a one man

t-and-f: Webb 800m

Everyone is speculating on Webb's potential at the mile for the future ... Yet it appears he is going to be running the 800 in his next race ... Given just prior to Pre he ran an awesome triple which included a low 1:49 800, does anyone have any idea what his potential in that race could be ???

Re: t-and-f: Predict Webb's future

Garry, That point was made in some detail during your absence from the list. The demographic bottom for the USA birth rate was 1975 making the High School Class of 1993 the smallest, and why there are relatively few runners today in their mid-twenties. Since 1993, the high school numbers

RE: t-and-f: Tommy Fulton

Another person just refreshed my memory. At the NAIA national meet that year, it was not a relay but the open 800. In total it was: Tommy Fulton won the mile and 3 mile and placed second in the 880 and 6 mile. He beat Mike Boit (4th in Munich) in the mile. Now that was an athlete! Fred

RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

I think Carl Lewis stopped competing at the collegiate level after his sophomore or junior year because of the strict collegiate amateur rules. He continued to be coached by Tom Telez, his college coach. Ed Koch --Original Message-- From: P.F.Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track list

Re: t-and-f: Waldrop redefines rat race

Tony Waldrop has been published four times- Published four times? You vastly underestimate Dr. Waldrop's scientific output. I count at least 90 publications. Use this site: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi and search on his name in the form: Waldrop TG Kurt Bray

Re: t-and-f: Waldrop redefines rat race

Tony Waldrop has been published four times- Published four times? You vastly underestimate Dr. Waldrop's scientific output. I count at least 90 publications. Use this site: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi and search on his name in the form: Waldrop TG Kurt Bray

Re: t-and-f: Jackson's 9:55.63 an American record?

It's my recollection that at the last Annual Meeting of USATF the rule specifying the 3.06m pit was repealed. I think this change was done at the instigation of President Bill Roe. The 2001 USATF Rule Book does not mention the 3.06m pit. http://www.usatf.org/about/rules/ RULE 81

Re: t-and-f: Predict Webb's future

Thanks, I'm a long-time TAFN subscriber but didn't notice it when I skimmed the issue because I've been busy reading Eastern Track. :-) Ed Koch --Original Message-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 29, 2001 3:13:25 PM GMT

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

Butch Reynolds did not compete for Ohio State after 1987 (I think he was a junior then) although he still had eligibility. He continued to be coached by Frank Zubovich. Edward Koch wrote: I think Carl Lewis stopped competing at the collegiate level after his sophomore or junior year because

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

I think a lot of times what turns a great high school runner into an afterthought is the change in coach in college. If I was a college coach and Webb was coming to me I'd be asking Webb's high school coach for a little help now and then, just so I don't screw things up. Find out what Webb has

t-and-f: Webb at Pre

Listers, Although much praise and promise has been heaped on the (surprisingly mature looking) shoulders of Webb, my own opinion is that it hasn't been enough. I was standing trackside thinking, too bad it's windy, then thinking how mentally difficult running against those opponents and

RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

why should he go to college and run? Well, apart from the personal value to him of the education that he will receive in college, I hope he runs in college because I've always liked it when we get to see the college boys wearing their school uniforms beating the big-time pros in their

Re: t-and-f: Webb at Pre

In a message dated 5/30/01 09:57:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would also disagree with Editor Hill on how the 1500m will go in June. Webb IS better than the Jennings/Berryhill/Stember/Lassiter types who will be demoralized by him in Eugene, and I'll bet a few Terminators at the 19th St.

Re: t-and-f: Webb 800m

Actually, I believe that Webb is running 2 events. The open 800 is the only open event. He is also part of a relay, or at least that was what was reported in the Washington Post. --- Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone is speculating on Webb's potential at the mile for the future ...

RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

Webb's presence should do good things for the visibility of track and cross-country meets in the Big 10. The guy in the street has actually heard of him and might show up to see a college meet if he's running. One hopes that the sports info types will use this angle. The benefit for the

t-and-f: Filothei Women Gala - Results

Venelina Veneva cleared 2,00 in Filothei Women Gala, held earlier today in Athens. Tereza Marinova won the triple jump with 14, 51 m. facing with the strong wind and Tania Koleva set a national pole vault record for Bulgraria at 4, 43 m. Full results are published at the official site of

RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

Kurt Bray wrote: Well, apart from the personal value to him of the education that he will receive in college, I hope he runs in college because I've always liked it when we get to see the college boys wearing their school uniforms beating the big-time pros in their shoe company singlets I must

t-and-f: Edmonton travel plans? ACT now -- most everything is booked!

We interrupt the Webb web talk for a veryimportant warning: If you plan on seeing the Webb-El Grematch in person and haven't made your Edmonton travel plans yet, do so NOW. Most connections to/from Edmonton, and even Calgary are for the most part bookedduring the opening/closing days. I

RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

There is a proposal at the University of Virginia to eliminate indoor track and make men's outdoor track a non-scholarship sport. The reasons given are Title IX and budgetary concerns. I don't know if it has been approved. For more info, go to http://www.cavalierdaily.com and do a search for

Re: t-and-f: Webb, Warhurst, and others

At 08:10 AM 5/29/2001 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 22:25:53 -0400 From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Webb, Warhurst, and others Good results? I can't think of another (current) college coach who has produced more than Warhurst. malmo Ron Warhurst at

Re: RE: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb...

In a message dated 5/30/01 11:40:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Webb's presence should do good things for the visibility of track and cross-country meets in the Big 10. The guy in the street has actually heard of him and might show up to see a college meet if he's running. Rumor has it in

t-and-f: How do I subscribe to the list??? I need info for friend.

From: Reuben Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Reuben Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: interesting story about Denis Fykes Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 07:32:04 -0700 (PDT) http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/current/2001/011801/staff.html

Fwd: t-and-f: more on Webb

But if he's thinking about the 2004 games, grand prix seasons in 2002 and 2003 would certainly be a good learning experience. At what point does the NCAA schedule become too great a liability for someone who is trying to become the best in the world? - - Ed Parrot I think going to

Re: t-and-f: Top 3 American Performances of last 18 years...

At 08:10 AM 5/29/2001 -0700, t-and-f-digest wrote.. Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:00:41 -0700 From: Brian McGuire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Top 3 American Performances of last 18 years... Since young Alan Webb was born 18 years ago, I'd say his shattering of Jim Ryun's prep mile record

t-and-f: Ed Grant contact

Could someone please send me Ed Grant's email and/or phone number? We need to get ahold of him. Thanx Richard McCann

t-and-f: Fwd: improvement and Lindgren

I'm so excited about the kid that I went back to my lists of high school improvements to see what he might improve to in the next 15 years. Here is a sample of runners to give you an idea. Highschool bestimprovement Gerry Lindgren 4:01.5

Fwd: t-and-f: Webb and UM

Or if he wanted to step up, he might be able to get into UVa, a couple hours away from his HS coach. In any case, I imagine that Webb could get a very good education in Virginia for a lot less than 90K. Michigan is among the top 5 public universities in almost any ranking, and the

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

Lets not forget that college is kind of a fun time. If I could go to school for 10 years, I would, college is great. Let the kid grow up. I've never been to Ann Arbor, but all reports suggest its a great college town. Good football team for those non-meet fall Saturdays...Tommy Amaker

t-and-f: Jackson's 9:55.63 an American record?

Post, Marty wrote: When Ellizabeth Jackson ran 9:55.63 at San Diego on 18 May it was on a track with a 3.06m short pit (as opposed to a 3.66 long pit). This was faster than her American record of 9:57.20 last year. Since a short pit should produce faster times, does this preclude the mark

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

No kidding. Let him have some fun in college. If he's truly destined to follow in Ryun's footsteps then Congress is also in his future. If he has LOTS of fun in college, he'll be perfectly qualified. sdc

t-and-f: Official idiocy

Netters: This actually happened at one of our sectional meets last weekend. I wasn't present at this meet, but me source is unimpeachable. First, some background. While the meet had an auto-timer present and picture sof each race were taken, it was to be consulted only when there was

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

In a message dated 5/30/01 14:54:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No kidding. Let him have some fun in college. If he's truly destined to follow in Ryun's footsteps then Congress is also in his future. If he has LOTS of fun in college, he'll be perfectly qualified. if he has LOTS of fun in

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb

In a message dated 5/30/01 14:26:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Webb had signed with Stanford, by all means I'd say GO PRO! is there a difference? :-)

t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb's coach.

Does anyone know anything about Webb's coach? Where did he run, how good was he, has he gotten lucky the past few years or has he produced good runners other from other years? Obviously South Lakes is a very good HS program is they have another kid that can do 3:00 for 1200m. That poor

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb's coach.

Marty, Just because you ran fast doesn't mean you can coach. Heck, I have no idea if guys like Vigil or Larsen or Warhurst or Newton ran a competitive step in their lives. All I know is that they can coach better than most. My $.02 is that being a student of the sport and a good motivator are

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb's coach.

not to mention mr frank gaglianoformer pro quarterback. toby From: Joe Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Joe Rubio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb's coach. Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:17:33

t-and-f: 19th street café: Official gaming center of the USATF Champs

I'll wager a few Buds on that one too. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Webb at Pre In a message dated 5/30/01 09:57:21, [EMAIL

t-and-f: Tickets for Webb's race

Garry Hill wrote: here's a Webb prediction for you: if you haven't already bought a ticket for the session with the men's 1500 at USATF here in Eugene, you probably don't have much time left before the tix disappear. (no inside knowledge here; just a guess based on how much coverage he's

t-and-f: GOLF AT USATF NATLS 6/22 (FRI)

If you are interested in joining us for an early morning round of golf on Friday 6/22 please respond to me off list ASAP. We'll be playing at the famed Sandpines course on the Oregon dunes (just an hour west in Florence). Greens fee is $50 (walking)...add$26 for the Casey Martin cart. We'll be

t-and-f: UVA TF

Ed, This is a done deal. Another DI school screws Men's TF in the name of supposed equality. Maybe you'll want to remember that when they send the donation requests this year. I spoke with a relative/alumni about this recently and he was not pleased to say the least. Additionally the AD

Re: t-and-f: Webb at Pre

On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:16:22 EDT, you wrote: In a message dated 5/30/01 09:57:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would also disagree with Editor Hill on how the 1500m will go in June. Webb IS better than the Jennings/Berryhill/Stember/Lassiter types who will be demoralized by him in Eugene,

t-and-f: Track and FIeld Jewelry

Does anyone know where I can find some good track and field jewelry such as a winged foot pendant or necklace? Thanks, Dee Brown Please contact me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quotes aren't something you can just make up.(D.Brown 1974-)

RE: t-and-f: Tickets for Webb's race

They'll be sold out faster than you can say butt-ugly-nursery-stock-trees-in-dirty-plastic-buckets! PS Track Fans: I DID offer to raise the money to make them butt-ugly-nursery-stock-trees-in-tacky-ass-terra-cotta-buckets I tried, so don't blame me. malmo -Original Message- From:

Re: RE: t-and-f: Alan Webb

In a message dated 5/29/01 07:17:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has ANY other sub-4 miler in history dropped their outdoor PR by 8 seconds? Prior to running his WR 3:48.95, Coe's mile pr was 3:57.7, but there was almost a 2 year gap between them. Ed Prytherch

t-and-f: IAAF meet resistance to television friendly changes

The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 31 May 2001 Tom Knight Resistance to a raft of proposed rule changes is gathering pace with athletes, coaches and administrators joining forces to thwart plans to make athletics supposedly more television-friendly. More than 60 changes will be debated by the

t-and-f: College is fun

Grote wrote: Lets not forget that college is kind of a fun time. If I could go to school for 10 years, I would, college is great. Let the kid grow up. I agree - the first ten years of college was great. Since then it has been tougher. Seriously, though, I probably would not suggest anyone

t-and-f: Marty O's question on Webb's coach.

Aw, c'mon guys. Marty asks some legitimate questions at the end of his e-mail - and so far he's received 3 responses - all of which are slamming him because he asks where did he run? amongst his other questions without going farther. Let's look at it (Marty's questions enumerated): 1. Does

Re: t-and-f: half-joking thought about Webb's coach.

Vin Lananna was a 4:22 miler in college. Nuf Said

t-and-f: Fwd: Marty O's question on Webb's coach.

Dave, Thanks for sticking up for me. I am sorry if people thought I was saying you had to be a good runner to be a good coach. But as I explained to Joe, I have coached a 4:16 miler among many other future DI runners and I was not what anyone in our sport would call a good runner. (I

Re: t-and-f: IAAF meet resistance to television friendly changes

The Electronic Telegraph Thursday 31 May 2001 Tom Knight ... They have the support of Peter Matthews, the editor of The International Track and Field Annual, the bible of the sport. In the 2001 edition,... ^ Uh-oh- I can see it now, get out the banjos

t-and-f: Webb

With all of this talk about Webb, let's not forget several things. 1.He didn't pick his high school coach. What diference does it make if the coach did or didn't run at a big college or ran fast or not.? The important thing is that Webb believes in him. Being an arm chair coach is easy to

t-and-f: NCAA women's steeple men's 10,000 splits

Women¹s Steeple Heat 1 ­ Lap 1 ­ 76.3 ­ Kleinmann, Kremer, MacDonald, Meldrum, PACK Lap 2 ­ 2:38.0 -- Kleinmann, MacDonald, Kremer, Meldrum, PACK Lap 3 ­ 4:00.1 -- Kleinmann, MacDonald, Kremer, Meldrum, PACK Lap 4 ­ 5:23.5 - Kleinmann, MacDonald, Kremer, Meldrum, PACK; Mulick, MeGettigan,

Re: t-and-f: Webb

Sorry Trey, but if Webb is running elite track, then we get to talk about it. Read the list charter - this list is about more than just news and results - opinions are welcome too (provided they are on-topic and not loaded with profanity). All the things you mention are indeed his business,