No offense to Monti and RRW but the IAAF really shouldn't propagate this
kind of NYRRC/RW nonsense. Even at age 50, he could do much better than
this. I'm surprised Rojo would promote the piece without some kind of
editorial comment.
Coghlan will compete seriously in the New York City Marathon
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As most of you probably already know, it appears the only NYC
Marathon TV coverage will be a pared-down, one-hour highlights show
after the event, that afternoon on NBC.
The NBC affilliate in New York (WNBC) will have
In a message dated 10/25/02 7:39:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No offense to Monti and RRW but the IAAF really shouldn't propagate this
kind of NYRRC/RW nonsense.
What nonsense? What's wrong with a harmless PR release concerning one of the
sport's legends?
Walt Murphy
In case you missed it, an excerpt from Paula Radcliffe's appearance on the
Oprah show yesterday:
Oprah: You know, after my marathon--I've only run one, and I think I will
only run one in my lifetime--I always say, when you get to around 22 miles,
no matter what your religion, you see Jesus. Did
http://www.iaaf.org/news/Kind=2/newsId=19897.html
Radcliffes best, is record best!
Wednesday 23 October 2002
Paula Radcliffe's Marathon World best time is statistically the greatest women's
running mark in the
record book at all distances currently contested at senior international
It's really a false honor though because the tables above the 1500m are
generally weak.
What they'd want us to beleive is that a clean Paula put together a
performance that greatly overshadows performances that drug-era (not that
I think that people are a whole lot cleaner now) athletes
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It's safe to say that were it not for the NYC Marathon telecasts, I wouldn't
be as involved in the sport to the extent I am
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It's really a false honor though because the tables above the 1500m are
generally weak.
Note also the phrase distances currently contested at senior international
championship level in the IAAF release.
Wang's 8:06.11 for 3000 meters -- incidentally a championship distance in
1993 when she ran it -- rates 1308 points on these scoring tables. Radcliffe
would have needed a 2:16:47 to
i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked
to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the
top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the
World, apparently merely dates me (even though I was too young to
have known about it when it
And the Hungarian tables can be found where? is there a website address?
How about Bannister breaking the 4 minute mile?
1982 Boston Marathon: Salazar vs. Beardsley
Carl Lewis' 4 gold medals at the '84 Olympics
Or Carl Lewis winning 4 consecutive gold medals in the long jump ('84, '88,
'92, '96)
Mary Decker getting tripped by Zola Budd in the '84 Olympics (not a
I did see Jesus at the 22 mile mark of Boston in 1975. His name was Jose
DeJesus and he beat me by 2 seconds. Earlier in the race we had passed a
drop-in religious person wearing a run with Jesus t-shirt.
Tom Derderian, who saw Jesus, chased him, but couldn't catch him.
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How about Carl vs. Ben in 87'? That makes my top 10.
Barto
--- Jack Pfeifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal
ripken but was shocked
to see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't
even belong in the
top 5. my personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot
At 12:23 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, Jack Pfeifer wrote:
i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked to
see his passing gehrig chosen #1. it doesn't even belong in the top 5. my
personal choice for #1, the 1951 Shot Heard Round the World, apparently
merely dates me (even
In terms of the most memorable for me:
-both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991
-2002 London marathon - KK, Geb, Tergat
There are also two other performances that stick in my mind, although they
don't deserve all-time recognition - one of them isn't even a victory:
-Ngugi's
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What else?
The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition
ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing.
Athletics-Top Kenyans in battle against registration
By Isa Amok
NAIROBI (Reuters) - Top Kenyans Paul Tergat and Moses Tanui are leading a
battle against their governing federation Athletics Kenya over a
requirement that all the country's runners be registered.
Athletics Kenya has given a
Some ageism here but Eamonn's face in 83(pre marathon career) on the home
stretch and Joannie winning shortly after her knee surgery,
Regards,
Martin
Ed and Dana Parrot wrote:
In terms of the most memorable for me:
-both the Lewis-Powell Long Jump and the whole 100m from 1991
-2002 London
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i couldn't agree more, gh. i grew up with cal ripken but was shocked
to see his passing
Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not
anywhere to be found on any list. Haye's anchor is big,
but so is 19.32, but so are Warnerdam, Zatopek, Owens,
Bubka, but for pure adreneline, nothing tops Wottle
running down Arzanov in cold war 1972.
Bob Hayes' 4x1 anchor in Tokyo
Netters,
Today in the mail I received a reply from a high school coach in Cincinnati
concerning athletes who might be interested in competing for our
school. It is interesting to note the name of the coach replying: Regina
Jacobs
Keith Whitman
Head Coach
Cross Country/Track Field
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What are some nominees for
Top Moments of the Century in TF? A few possibilities (in no
I'd throw in the 10K @ Munich and the the W3K @ Helsinki.
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Beamonesque has to take the cake. Flojo's 10.49 is not
how 'bout a barefoot bikila?
landy's 'look' vs. bannister.
coe vs. ovett in '80.
two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the l.a.
freeway.
wilma rudolph.
-toby
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Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory
kicking in.
How about Walter George, 4:12 3/4 mile, '86? As in 1886. Altho there was a
4:12.6 mile in 1915, George's time wasn't significantly bettered until Nurmi
ran 4:10.4 in 1923, 37 years after George.
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Except there are some (not me) that say that isn't even PR's best performance of
the year so that sends it way down the food chain.
Regards,
Martin
(bad science follower)
Post, Marty wrote:
Paula Radcliffe - 2:17:18 ! Oh, wait, That's my short-term memory
kicking in.
At 03:37 PM 10/25/2002 -0400, toby - wrote:
how 'bout a barefoot bikila?
landy's 'look' vs. bannister.
coe vs. ovett in '80.
two other marathon items: shorter and the impostor; joanie solo on the
l.a. freeway.
wilma rudolph.
-toby
I'll add:
the Montreal 5,000;
Clarke blowing the doors off 28
Bob Hersh wrote:
The Tokyo '91 long jump. Perhaps the greatest field event competition
ever. And not just the WR, but the whole competition. Just amazing.
And it was telecast virtually in its entirety. Just riveting. What a
series by Lewis! I've still got it on tape along with a lot of
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Did anyone suggest the Billy Mills 10k win in Tokyo, in light of upstaging the world's
best and most dominant at the time?
Wes Cook,
George Fox University
the W3K Helsinki.
I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where
Decker outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I
believe, making a dramatic but vain dive), but that was the specific
moment that changed me from being a football fan who ran track in
How about worst races in track history?
I nomiate the Michael Johnson/Donovan Bailey fiasco, or Jesse Owens racing a
horse.
BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on
field events (other than Beamon, of course).
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From: Steve Grathwohl
Well, the most exciting field event I ever saw (in person) was Tiina
Lillak's last-throw-in-the-last-event win in Helsinki '83. It was Finland's
only gold medal and came shortly after Arto Bryggare got them their first
medal (period), barely losing to Greg Foster. Before that it had looked as
In a message dated 10/25/02 1:38:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cram vs. Aoutia 85 @ Nice
Can anything be more thrilling than Dave Wottle's stretch run in
Munich. The others all looked like they were moon walking
What about Lance Deals silver in the hammer?
And who can forget that great
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BTW, most of the posts I've seen on the original topic have been light on
field
Let me add two memorable races to the list. The men's 400mH at the Rome
World Championships the women's 100mH at the US Olympic Trials in 1984.
The latter was the closest four-person finish I've ever seen. And that
obviously mattered, because only the top three could make the team.
In the
Bloomquist, Bret wrote:
How about worst races in track history?
Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials 200m, where both MJ and Maurice Green
pulled! \
Or the 1992 10,000m travesty with Khalid Skah and Richard Chelimo, where
lapped runner Hammou Boutayeb paced Skah over the last three laps.
bob
I now can't remember if it was the 3K or the 1500 in Helsinki where Decker
outkicked the two Soviets to the line (with Kazankina, I believe, making a
dramatic but vain dive)
I think you are referring to the 1500m. I had the good fortune to attend
that meet in Helsinki, and Mary Decker
Moses-Harris-Schmid, Rome, 1987
Lillak, last throw, Helsinki, 1983
But nothing tops US-USSR 1962,
Bill Allen
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Buddy Edelen's 2:14.28 at the Polytechnic.A pioneer for the great
American marathoners.
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Jonathon Edwards 60+ foot TJ was the most amazing Field event for me,
and MJ's 200m in Atlanta still gives me chills.
My greatest sports moment (as a spectator (I know its off topic!!)) was
the Game 6 in 1986. Mookie would have beat them to 1st even if he had
fielded that ball. This just
Category: Best Race Called (radio style) But NOT Seen in USA:
1-800-94-TRACK (Vic Holchak): Marc Davis kicking down Khalid Skah in a 2M race with
European fans
going crazy.
Bob Duncan wrote:
Bloomquist, Bret wrote:
How about worst races in track history?
Or even the 2000 Olympic Trials
Mary's 1500/3000 in Helsinki are very high on my list. I remember watching one of the
races in a bar
on the South Side of Chicago. We talked the bar owner - who supported a few of us
runners with pizza
and beer - in to showing the WC on the big projection screen, and we promised to bring
in
IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently
exciting event in recent Olympics:
- 1988, Ingrid Kristiansen expected to win easily, pulls out around
halfway with an injury. Liz McColgan front-runs desperately trying to
put distance on Olga Bondarenko, who blows by her on the
Tommie Smith in Mexico City in '68. His race was beautiful but it was
his courage and dignity - with black gloved fist raised and head bowed -
that gave me chills. I still get them when I see that photo.
For an older distance runner, Mills in Tokyo in '64 showed Americans
could compete.
In my twenty or so years of watching the sport a couple that stick in my mind that
haven't been mentioned.
Joaquim Cruz and his four races of front running to win the 800 in LA 84. I just love
that sort of tactic.
Burrell vs Lewis in the 100 at US Champs 91. Almost more memorable than the fact
IMHO, the womens' 10,000 has become perhaps the most consistently
exciting event in recent Olympics:
- 1996 - A pretty brutal pace in the Atlanta heat, IIRC, then Fernanda
Ribeiro, after being passed on the start of the final lap by Wang
Junxia, catches her on the straightaway. Was fortunate to
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