t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

It is most likely impossible to predict the benefits because many are training aid benfits eg quicker recovery so an athlete can train harder. Apparently Growth Hormone is brillinat for this. Werner Reiterer in "positive" states that he felt younger , recovered better , old injuries to knees felt

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Why was he so much better than the rest? There are two possible explanations: 1. He was on drugs and no-one else was 2. Others were on drugs too but Johnson was better anyway So you have to argue EITHER that Johnson was truly a great sprinter OR that he was the only one who took drugs. No,

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

--- Jay Ulfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would think his mental game (so important for the 100m) was pretty much crushed by

t-and-f: Ja'Warren Hooker article from the Seattle Times...

Title: Ja'Warren Hooker article from the Seattle Times... Wednesday, October 18, 2000, 12:00 a.m. Pacific UW Football Notebook: Hooker to hold off on any return to football until '01 by Bud Withers Seattle Times staff reporter Ja'Warren Hooker, the Washington

t-and-f: Pseudo Olympic trivia question

I received several nice replies to my pseudo Olympic trivia question: Who is Mebrahtom Keflezighi? Who is Abdi Abdirahman? They provided me with even more information about these two remarkable African-American athletes. And although everyone on this list probably knows these two runners well,

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

Tony wrote: You omitted one fact.Christie tested positive for ephedrine at Seoul, but they let him keep his medal anyway.And...Ben was NOT busted for 'roids at Seoul. He was convicted because one man, the late Dr. Manfred Donike, subjectively felt that Ben had an aberrant "endocrine

Re: t-and-f: The distaff side

Steve wrote: Since we're ranking sprinters and a lot of listers place mucho importance on winning gold medals at OG and WC where does Merlene Ottey fit into the woman's side of the greatest ever debate? She certainly should be considered but has always ended up with a "lessor" medal.

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

Steve Bennett wrote: It is most likely impossible to predict the benefits because many are training aid benfits eg quicker recovery so an athlete can train harder. Apparently Growth Hormone is brillinat for this. Werner Reiterer in "positive" states that he felt younger , recovered better ,

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

Dan wrote: --- Jay Ulfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can't simply compare Ben Johnson's pre-bust and post-bust times and chalk up the entire difference to drugs. The guy was away from competition for some time, and I would think his mental game (so important for the 100m) was pretty

RE: t-and-f: Nike Ad

At 06:14 PM 10/17/2000 -0700, malmo wrote.. As a child, there was no movie scarier to me than "The Wizard of Oz". Those crazy flying monkeys scared the bejeezus out of me! Children do watch this movie don't they? They "have trouble distinguishing reality and fantasy"? Bullsh!t police here. You're

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

I did answer the question to best of my knowledge--he is the only top end sprinter that we KNOW was using drugs. (We know many East Germans were using as well at the time.) You can then draw whatever conclusion you want from that statement. I will only make this statement based on what

RE: t-and-f: Putting Johnson in his place [was Mo Greene]

The difference for Johnson is that he admitted under oath to long-term usage that extended back to 1981. Neither Christie nor Mitchell admitted to similar usage. That is a very important distinction in how we treat Johnson. There is a reasonable case to be made that both Christie and

t-and-f: Junior Champs Pole Vault

I've added seasonal best performances to the startlist for this afternoon women's vault. They identify, for me, an interesting question: Why is it that USA doesn't have an entrant over 4.00m (13' 1 1/2")? When I checked the world list, it would appear that Donoghue and Rosenberger are, indeed

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

- Original Message - From: Conway [EMAIL PROTECTED] I tend to agree with this point of view .. That the benefits of drug use is in the training room/practice track .. And if this is the case then my original question still stands .. What does this translate to on the competitive

t-and-f: Women's 100m

From: "Conway" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since we're ranking sprinters and a lot of listers place mucho importance on winning gold medals at OG and WC where does Merlene Ottey fit into the woman's side of the greatest ever debate? She certainly should be considered but has always ended up with a

Re: t-and-f: Pseudo Olympic trivia question

In a message dated 10/18/0 11:42:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And although everyone on this list probably knows these two runners well, when NBC "covered" the distance events like the 10K at two o'clock in the morning, their cameras scanned right past these two young men as if they were

RE: t-and-f: Putting Johnson in his place [was Mo Greene]

At 09:38 AM 10/18/00 -0700, you wrote: The difference for Johnson is that he admitted under oath to long-term usage that extended back to 1981. Neither Christie nor Mitchell admitted to similar usage. That is a very important distinction in how we treat Johnson. Agreed. My point was that

t-and-f: USATF Fall National Cross Country Nov 25 - entries available

The USA Fall Cross Country Championship will be held on Saturday, November 25, at Boston's historic Franklin Park This will be the fourth time since 1984 that the fall nationals will be held in Boston. Acting as presenting sponsors, the Boston Athletic Association and adidas will work with

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

--- Richard McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will only make this statement based on what evidence I can draw on. I will not make any further conclusions, even though it seems that I should. I refuse to speculate, which is what you are asking me to do. C'mon Richard, you're an economist!

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

Again I go back to all of the technical aspects of the race .. I look back and Carl Lewis coming out of high school .. And Carl Lewis after a season or so of tutelage from his coaches and the mechanical changes .. The same for Mo Greene pre and post John Smith .. Ato Boldon pre and post UCLA

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

Ed wrote: Most likely the same role strength plays in other events where skill is important, which is most of them. Take the shot put. Now when I pick up a 16 lb shot, it is heavy. When I put it on my shoulder and begin to put it, I am weak enough that it is hard to get the shot put

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

In a 10 second sprint however, holding one's form is not nearly as difficult over the 40 to 45 steps taken as say in a 400 or 800 .. Not that I am arguing that strength doesn't help, because it obviously does ... But as with supersaturated sugar water at what point is enough strength enough

t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

And a side note on a distantly related subject--namely, Mo on Millionaire: Why is everyone assuming Mo Greene is such an idiot? - - Jay Ulfelder Thats exactly what I was thinking Jay! I wonder what the REAL reason is. DMC Integrity is the cornerstone of trust

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints - how Christie skated (again)

1, In 1988 at the Seoul Olympics, Christie claimed that the positive for ephedrine was because he had drunk ginseng tea (a local herbal infusion). Christie refused to give to the drug testers any residual ginseng so that he might be vindicated. When Prof Arnold Beckett tested a version of

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Due to their greater number of receptor sites in the muscles, the good sprinters actually respond proportionally better to drugs than the bad ones. So it is very hard to compare apples with apples when comparing arbitrarily selected supposedly clean or dirty sprinters, assuming there are any

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

There may be some broad correlation between an increase in the number of androgen receptor sites on muscles and sprinting ability, in the sense that sprinters on-average have more than non-sprinters or slow sprinters, but the studies to show that a 9.8 sprinter has more than a 9.9 sprinter who

t-and-f: World Junior's Day Two

Day two has come to a close, not a great day for the USA. Updated results, commentary, photos and tidbits can be found at www.NationalScholastic.org Drop us an email and let us know what you think of the coverage. Your humble correspondents-- Jim Spier Jesse Rosen

RE: t-and-f: Mo Greene

Oh boy! I heard a lot about Darrell, and now I see why. Dennis a big timer? You have got to be joking! Linford served him lunch except for 91, and they implemented a new rule after that .09 reaction. Now the Ben issue is amusing. Ben has a bronze medal to his name, and drugs stamped

t-and-f: John Cosgrove's ideas for USATF

Y ask Y: John Cosgrove of the Southern California Association of USATF shares this memo with me. He sent it to Craig Masback in early February 2000. Cosgrove is toying with the idea of running for USATF Masters chairman. The memo is prefaced by some explanatory comments: Cosgrove writes:

Re: t-and-f: Drugs and the sprints

Certain list members seem to have forgotten something: Johnson was busted TWICE. Just prior to the second time he had recovered to be a sub 10.10 performer and appeared to be a medal contender again. But again he was caught. He almost certainly went back because he had reverted to being

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

I also believe that holding one's form correctly in a maximal sprint like the 100m is actually more difficult than doing it in a 400/800. - Ed Parrot I can't say it is "more difficult", but you are correct in that it does take much more absolute strength to "hold one's form" in the 100

Re: t-and-f: RE: Drugs and the sprints

Michael Bartolina wrote: I can't say it is "more difficult", but you are correct in that it does take much more absolute strength to "hold one's form" in the 100 than in the 800. As for the original argument that after a certain point a given individual might be strong enough, it might

Re: t-and-f: John Cosgrove's ideas for USATF

A lot of good points by John Cosgrove in terms of the idea of creating a "track club in a box". But the concepts as I read them are long on theory and short on addressing the key issues that are limiting clubs - lack of funds and lack of competition opportunites (TF and RW in particular). Very

Re: t-and-f: Pseudo Olympic trivia question

When NBC's Tom Hammond gave the results of the 10k, he gave due credit to both Meb and Abdi. I also seem to recall him mentioning them during the "live" call, but I don't know what actually made "air". Walt Murphy Tom Hammond mentioned that the two Americans were in the race and later on

Re: t-and-f: John Cosgrove's ideas for USATF

I read through this 379-line e-mail, and have yet to figure out what exactly the writers are asking USATF to do. Maybe I overlooked it. Start channelling all USATF development money through clubs which meet the definitions outlined? (which would force all elite athletes to become members of

Re: t-and-f: Chainsaws

no bob, you're not the only one. where are the informative and insightful email's we've been missing. i.e. meet schedules, website names, etc...

t-and-f: Drugs the sprints, now the walks? part one

Netters I must say this is among the best dialogues on any topic I have seen in a very long time. No accusatations, insults or innuendoes. Just a frank discussion with what I think are some excellent points made. Michael Bartolina wrote: Maximum efficiency per stride taken is what

t-and-f: Drugs - part 2

Netters Now back to the drugs. It is my feeling that IF I took drugs and I took the right ones correctly here is what would happen. This is based on what I have read about the drugs themselves and what others have said they could do. then again I might be way off! A drug like

Re: t-and-f: Drugs - part 2

I have recently been told of an experiment of one by a chemist in England (read pharmacist for chemist) who decided to see what Nadrolone would do for his training after reading about all the recent positives. He was a distance runner in his mid-40's having a limit of 40 miles per week in

t-and-f: Sprinters

I don't think Christie can be considered among the top 5 because he wasn't dominant in his era. I think we're giving short shrift to the pre 1964 sprinters. What about Bobby Morrow, Jesse Owens or Charlie Paddock? I suspect Cordner Nelson has some thoughts on that. I agree