RE: t-and-f: Statistics of posts and posters

Glad to second this praise of Eamonn Condon who deserves our highest appreciation. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roger Ruth Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 12:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f:

t-and-f: Kevin Little

Can anyone provide information on the severity of the injury that made Kevin Little a DNS in the WIC 200m final? I hoped he would win another World title so I could ask this question, but I'll ask it anyway: Is Kevin the most accomplished indoor runner ever who never reached an equivalent

Re: t-and-f: Kevin Little

In a message dated 3/19/01 4:00:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Kevin the most accomplished indoor runner ever who never reached an equivalent level of success outdoors? The first one who comes to mind is Martin McGrady, who was virtually unbeatable at 600-yards indoors (at a time when

Re: t-and-f: Kevin Little

In a message dated 3/19/01 7:15:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first one who comes to mind is Martin McGrady Who was the original "Chairman of the Boards" before that moniker was passed on to Coghlan, if I'm not mistaken. Jim Gerweck Running Times

t-and-f: For those traveling from the LA area to Eugene...

for the NCAA meet. Alaska Airlines is running a deal right now for $191 round-trip from Burbank to Eugene. "These sale fares must be purchased by March 23, 2001 and require a seven-day advance purchase. Travel for this offer must be completed by June 15, 2001."

t-and-f: Meets in Eugene/Portland

For anyone planning to go to Eugene for the NCAA meet(May 30-June 2), don't forget that the Prefontaine Classic will be held at the same site on Sunday, May 27, and the adidas Oregon Track Classic will take place in Portland, Oregon, the day after the NCAA ends. For those who work, you need

t-and-f: IAAF: A THOUSAND RUN IN A DAY TO GIVE OSTEND COURSE THE GOING OVER

Hello all, I am still a bit puzzled that it is safe enough to hold the WC XC on the Belgian west coast while it is not safe to hold it on the Irish mainland, especially since the mouth-and-claw disease (as is the literal translation from Dutch) crossed the canal and has reportedly been found in

Re: t-and-f: New rules

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or you could institute the "Carl Lewis" rule for invitational meets, where people are paying to see stars compete.. I believe it was at the Olympic Invitational at the Meadowlands many moons ago that it looked like Carl would be dq'd for two false starts. Instead

Re: t-and-f: New rules

False starting is cheating or an attempt to cheat, plain and simple. There is no reason to move before the gun sounds. Any movement before or at the same time as the gun sounds is anticipation to the gun by someone trying to gain an advantage, not reacting to the sound as is mandated by the

Re: t-and-f: New rules

I recall when first colleges and then high schools changed over to the one false start rule. Coaches saw this as some sort of apocolypse and thought it would totally ruin the sprints and hurdles. Needless to say, it didn't happen that way at all. Athletes, fans, and coaches all take it for

Re: t-and-f: New rules

Yeah, and ask yourself. Is the effect of Kobe, Shaq, MJ, Magic, Bird fouling out detrimental to the allure of the game? No. It is a team sport. People have their favorite players, but they will continue to root for the team to win. And in the NBA, and similar sports, the star played in that

Re: t-and-f: inopportune falsies (was: New rules

In a message dated Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:23:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a humorous aside, Manhattan College's track team lost one athlete to a false start in the first year of the rule. No, it didn't happen in the sprints or hurdles. The Jaspers lost a miler

Re: t-and-f: New rules

Justin I see the argument but it does not fly for me. From what I hear and read, the false starts matter ONLY to the hard-core fan. The casual fan accepts it as part of the game. Especially in the States, where we are bombarded with endless TV timeouts. In the NBA there are time outs that are

Re: t-and-f: New rules

In a message dated 03/19/2001 9:01:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: False starting is cheating or an attempt to cheat, plain and simple. Plain and simple? Give me a break. There are so many factors that can lead to a false start, other than guessing wrong. Let's see;

Re: t-and-f: New rules

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or you could institute the "Carl Lewis" rule for invitational meets, where people are paying to see stars compete.. Wayne Armbrust replied: This type of "solution" is the worst of all possible worlds in that it introduces a situation where there are one set of

Re: t-and-f: New rules

In a message dated Mon, 19 Mar 2001 1:40:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what hurts more? False starts, or the disqualification of the star over one false start? We are talking appeal here, remember. Is the fan more likely to endure the false start or the

Re: t-and-f: Hurdle heights

This was the point I was trying to make after Privolova won in sydney, that hurdling technique was secondary to spped, which seems inconsistent with the idea of even having the hurdles to clear. At the time i was basically told not to take credit away from Privolova's effort, which i wasn't

Re: t-and-f: New rules

on 19/3/01 4:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it can be argued that most false starting IS unsportsmanlike conduct. gh As I said before, what about starting stalls as used in horse racing. Clearly the athletes cannot be trusted not to anticipate the gun, this

Re: t-and-f: New rules

Steve wrote: I recall when first colleges and then high schools changed over to the one false start rule. Coaches saw this as some sort of apocolypse and thought it would totally ruin the sprints and hurdles. Needless to say, it didn't happen that way at all. Athletes, fans, and coaches all take

Re: t-and-f: inopportune falsies (was: New rules

gh wrote: i think it can be argued that most false starting IS unsportsmanlike conduct and in a separate post wrote: I no longer remember the exact details, because it happened before i worked at TFN, but i remember the mgazine having a story in the late '60s, about one of the old Relay

Re: t-and-f: New rules

This proposed rule change will have ZERO, non, nada positive effect on the popularity of the sport and may be to the detriment if anyone is paying attention. There is a difference between a rule of conduct and a rule of sport. A rule of conduct such as striking an official or opposing athlete

Re: t-and-f: New rules

Message text written by Ed Dana Parrot In no other major American sport will an athlete be kicked out in the beginning of the competition for anything other than unsportsmanlike conduct. How about college track? The NCAA has been doing it that way for more than two decades.

t-and-f: re: new rules

When the zero false start rule went in for the NCAA sprints, I thought it would be a disaster. It wasn't, it works just fine. Everyone learned it very quickly and there are very few DQ's. Didn't GH or someone a week or so ago mention the lack of false starts in NCAA finals in the last 15 or so

Re: t-and-f: New rules

Dave writes: I can't let this slippery bit of logic get by without sticking up for Conway. He means that he can't think of a single DIRECT benefit to the athletes. Everything Bray mentions is a secondary or derived benefit. I think the original intent of Conway's statement was quite

Re: t-and-f: New rules

GH wrote: i think it can be argued that most false starting IS unsportsmanlike conduct. Why ?? Because an athlete is trying to get an advantage over those he/she is competing against ?? Isn't that athletes do in sports ?? Try ot gain an advantage ?? BE it mental, physical, psychological or

RE: t-and-f: New rules

Conway opined: Case in point, There have been few additions to the all time high school sprint lists since the one false start rule ... The lists are dominated by athletes from the 80's (with a few lingering 70's names) ... And collegiate sprint times have fairly mired as well save for

t-and-f: FW: Shot put champions banned for life

The following article was selected from Sports Extra, The Irish Times on the Web's sports web site. To visit the site, point your browser to http://www.ireland.com/sports Article URL: http://www.ireland.com/sports/athletics/2001/0315/athletics3.htm Shot put champions banned for life

t-and-f: New rules

Netters: Two comments on the suggested rule changes 1) In regards to new structure for field events, the best thing would be to leave the present standards in place, but with a new proviso that the games committee may make any changes it wishes for a particular meet. 2) With regard

t-and-f: PV trivia question

Lojo is well on his way to rating as the top U.S. vaulter this year. If he does so, he'll be the second black guy to be No. 1. Who was the first? (and only) i was motivated to ask this question because we just posted to the TFN website (plug! plug!) the all-time U.S.Rankings in every event and

t-and-f: Edwards leaps into another on-line row

The Electronic Telegraph Tuesday 20 March 2001 Tom Knight JONATHAN EDWARDS ended his indoor campaign with an impressive victory over world champion Paolo Camossi in the Norwich Union International in Glasgow yesterday, only to find himself the target of criticism on a leading athletics

Re: t-and-f: New rules

In a message dated 03/19/2001 11:26:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At least if they're the touchy things that were in evidence in Seville. Now THAT could lead to some gruesome DQs. You bring back a terrible memory, Garry. Everyone remember the debacle that was

Re: t-and-f: False starts (interview excerpt)

Dale Winling wrote: From Runnersworld.com interview w/ Maurice Greene. 3.19.01 RWD: would you have broken the world record had there not been as many false starts in the final? MG: No, i really don't let the false starts bother me. we practice that every time we have start practice.

Re: t-and-f: FW: Shot put champions banned for life

Netters And this is our athlete of the year? give me a break.

Re: t-and-f: New rules

Netters Ed wrote PS: I cannot agree that all false starts are "unsportsmanlike conduct." Certainly there have been runners, past and present, who have used them in a suspicious manner, but there are ceratinly times when nervousness (yes, even in experienced

Re: t-and-f: Lisbon 1500 splits

GH wrote: i took some splits off the ESPN tape, and here's how Silv and Estvez finished (as in, pretty damned quick!) for the last 100, 200, 400: Rui Silva (Por) 13.2, 25.7, 52.9 Reyes Estvez (Spa) 13.57, 26.10, 53.1 Got to watch this on the ESPN telecast, and it really WAS an interesting

t-and-f: Unsportmanlike conduct LOL

I read, but very rarely do I feel the need to post. All you armchair athletes have the audacity to sit here and say that false starting is unsportmanlike conduct?!? LOL Give me a break. I've also read that it is unfair to anticipate the gun. Well, let's look at it from a sprinters point of