Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 03/02/2011 05:01 PM, Richard Mann wrote: I reckon the voting is running at about 24000  a handful for, and a handful against. Oh, come on.  If you’re going to count every element tagged with designation=* as a “vote

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-03 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Yes, I know rewriting a page at this stage isn't the Done Thing. So sue me. Wikifiddler, first class. ;) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 1 March 2011 21:47, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: You'all are welcome to: 1) Make another proposal 2) Vote yes or no to the proposal as it stands It's not appropriate to fine-tune the proposal during the voting stage - you either approve or oppose it as it stands.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/2 Markus Lindholm markus.lindh...@gmail.com: My proposal is simply to use an other key, and once a better name for the key is agreed upon to change the existing tags to use the new key it might also help to use namespaces for the values, like uk:public_bridleway instead of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: it might also help to use namespaces for the values, like uk:public_bridleway instead of public_bridleway So I presume you're planning to do that for other tags whose meaning varies by country, like highway=uk:trunk, highway=de:motorway... OSM. For People Who Don't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/2 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: it might also help to use namespaces for the values, like uk:public_bridleway instead of public_bridleway So I presume you're planning to do that for other tags whose meaning varies by country, like

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Tordanik wrote: I'm still not quite sure whether I understand what designation=* is supposed to do. It's to record the legal status, or designation, of a given object - whether that object be a footpath, a waterway, or whatever. Having now looked at the wiki voting page I'm afraid the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Tordanik wrote: I'm still not quite sure whether I understand what designation=* is supposed to do. It's to record the legal status, or designation, of a given object - whether that object be a footpath, a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-02 Thread Alex Mauer
On 03/02/2011 05:01 PM, Richard Mann wrote: I reckon the voting is running at about 24000 a handful for, and a handful against. Oh, come on. If you’re going to count every element tagged with designation=* as a “vote for” you really ought to count every element *not* tagged with

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
24000 uses so far, so I guess it's time to put it to a vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Chris Hill
On 01/03/11 17:12, Richard Mann wrote: 24000 uses so far, so I guess it's time to put it to a vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/1 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: 24000 uses so far, so I guess it's time to put it to a vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation The RFC is from 2009, IMHO there is an established alternative for this: foot=designated bicycle=designated

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Alex Mauer
On 03/01/2011 11:30 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: do we really need a duplication in designation? Or is there some details that I don't get? As I understand it, while there is some overlap (especially in Germany) it’s not exactly a duplicate of the access=designated tag. Designation=* is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/1 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net: For better or worse, in Germany it looks like they’re one and the same thing: a route’s official classification is basically “officially designated for [xxx] traffic”.  There’s nothing like the UK’s “Restricted Byway” classification. There is tracks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: There is already 2 alternative ways to tag these (path and foot/cycle/bridleway), I feel we don't need a third one. Do try and keep up. This is not a third way of tagging. This is _additional_ information that can be used with either existing scheme. There is no

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 1 March 2011 20:04, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: There is already 2 alternative ways to tag these (path and foot/cycle/bridleway), I feel we don't need a third one. Do try and keep up. This is not a third way of tagging. This is _additional_

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Markus Lindholm wrote: If this tag designation is about formal status in the UK It isn't. It's about formal status, full stop. You could just as easily use it to record that a European waterway is UNECE Class Vb. Richard -- View this message in context:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 1 March 2011 20:51, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Markus Lindholm wrote: If this tag designation is about formal status in the UK It isn't. It's about formal status, full stop. You could just as easily use it to record that a European waterway is UNECE Class Vb. Well, the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:51:22 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Markus Lindholm wrote: If this tag designation is about formal status in the UK It isn't. It's about formal status, full stop. You could just as easily use it to record that a European waterway is UNECE

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
You'all are welcome to: 1) Make another proposal 2) Vote yes or no to the proposal as it stands It's not appropriate to fine-tune the proposal during the voting stage - you either approve or oppose it as it stands. If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to approved.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:47:04 + Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to approved. Otherwise we'll just carry on waiting for a better idea (it might be a long wait). Appropriate majority on the wiki of how many

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Alex Mauer
On 03/01/2011 03:14 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: Appropriate majority on the wiki of how many votes? With the tagging numbers being in their thousands, how will you decide on an appropriate number? Well, the wiki says “8 unanimous approval votes or 15 total votes with a majority approval” But

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:47:04 + Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: If there's an appropriate majority after 2 weeks, I'll move it to approved. Otherwise we'll just carry on waiting for a better idea

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Key:designation)

2011-03-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/1 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: You'all are welcome to: 1) Make another proposal 2) Vote yes or no to the proposal as it stands It's not appropriate to fine-tune the proposal during the voting stage - you either approve or oppose it as it stands. Comments were