Re: [Tagging] Update of article highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/25/2012 2:16 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Am 25.05.2012 um 01:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: I'd register my disapproval, but it would simply be ignored, so I'll just ignore the new guidelines and continue tagging as I have been. I'm curious: what exactly do you

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/22/2012 10:07 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: E.g. if the cycleway is not suitable for your bike (e.g. you have a huge trailer, or it is damaged, or it is obstructed by stuff, or...) you will still be legally entitled to use the road. Also if the cycleway does not go where you want to go

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/19/2012 11:43 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: All three examples would not be roundabouts in Germany or Italy, where the use of the roundabout tag is linked to the presence of the corresponding road sign for a roundabout, at least this seems to be common practice on OSM. In New Jersey the

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/19/2012 1:01 PM, Anthony wrote: I'd be interested in seeing a sign which says circle used on a roundabout, though. If you mean simply a circle where all entering traffic yields, here's one:

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/19/2012 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote: I'm not sure that qualifies as approaching vehicles being deflected around a central island (the MUTCD definition). The deflection is being done by the islands in the four corners. Buh? So you wouldn't call

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/18/2012 9:15 AM, Anthony wrote: 2012/5/18 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 3:04 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! I updated now the english article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Translations will follow in the next days. Traffic circles are usually tagged as roundabouts, contrary to your statement.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 3:40 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. I'm on it. Oh wait, that's me. Hi there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. Why do you keep starting the wars? Have you stopped beating your wife?

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. By the way, his block summary is complete bullshit. He says The discussion on tagging@ mentions traffic circles and right of way several times and allways

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:48 PM, Gnonthgol wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. I am sorry I offended you but I was not out to win an edit war. You were blocked because you edited against the consensus on the list, and when I reverted your edits

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9080282

[Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: tag names do not always correspond to their definitions

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of X. The following examples can be included: *Many cities are tagged with place=town *Bikes and pedestrians

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 8:51 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you want to invent a new tag for the New Jersey circles that give right-of-way to some approaches. I wouldn't mind. There's something fundamentally different between a

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more approaches has right-of-way? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:52 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Am 16.05.2012 um 19:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under normal conditions at least) you could probably come up with a reasonable set of tags. Inland waterways are

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 6:48 PM, Dale Puch wrote: I found this at http://www.ndc.iwr.usace.army.mil/data/dictionary/ddnwn.htm Data is here http://www.ndc.iwr.usace.army.mil//db/waternet/data/ but not in shp format so someone would need to do some format translation. There are lots of other sets of data and

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 7:41 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more approaches has

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 8:13 PM, Anthony wrote: Also, I'd prefer for my satnav to save the word roundabout for actual roundabouts. If it starts talking to me about roundabouts when I'm just merging onto a road which is part of an interchange which is kind of circular in shape, I'm just going to get

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 8:34 PM, Anthony wrote: Anyway, while looking for an example of a roundabout, I came across this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83428962/history Why did you remove the roundabout tag? Because it's not a complete circle... ___

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 10:42 PM, Dale Puch wrote: You might check with the OpenSeaMap guys Surely at one of them is paying attention to tagging@? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2012 10:30 AM, Anthony wrote: Okay, so, for OSM terminology, a roundabout means 1) traffic goes in one direction; 2) entering traffic must yield; and 3) entering traffic need not stop (no stop signs). Nope. Junction=roundabout applies to all (one-way) traffic circles, no matter what

[Tagging] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is anyone familiar with the regulations governing the U.S. inland waterways (such as the Mississippi River and the Intracoastal Waterway)? From my brief look, it seems to be less these barge configurations are allowed and more you can go anywhere but don't crash. Is this correct, or are there

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: In either case, any idea what the suitable tags might look like (other than the generic boat=yes ship=yes)? I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under

Re: [Tagging] Turning circle with island or turning loop (was Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/14/2012 11:02 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: The longer I think about it, the more I'm asking myself: do we really need a tag for this? If someone doesn't want to map it as loop, why not simply end the road without any additional tag? What information are we missing then, that we are not missing

Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways

2012-05-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/13/2012 5:25 PM, Pieren wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Since oneway=yes is the default for motorways (per the wiki, and apparently some routers), these should be tagged as oneway=no (as these two in fact are). NE2 is in favour of

Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways

2012-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2012 4:23 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi, Two-lane expressways. I came across one of these when running an analysis on OSM data in Vermont, USA. I didn't even know they existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-lane_expressway#United_States The one I looked at is tagged as motorway:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:05 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: mini_roundabout is by definition a traversible object, but one with a hard median isn't. A mini-roundabout may be by definition traversable, but that doesn't mean highway=mini_roundabout is, any more than a highway=trunk is a trunk road or a

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:21 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: Nathan, formally you are correct, but it has been OSM practice to base its tags on UK definitions. Nope. In the UK, not all highway=trunks are trunk roads. Some have been detrunked but remain in the primary route network.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:30 AM, Josh Doe wrote: I've made some significant edits to this article to improve the overall quality, as well as hopefully provide text which satisfies both concerned parties. Nope - you said that it's erroneous to use the tag as many mappers have, for a miniature roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:52 AM, fly wrote: Why should we have two tags for roundabouts which differe only in size. We do not do this with other objects/tags. waterway=ditch/canal and stream/river? (By the way, we don't currently have two node tags for roundabouts. Hence the current situation.)

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 12:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/10 Josh Doej...@joshdoe.com: I propose we start accepting junction=roundabout to be used on nodes. you can do this but it will always be preliminary and worse than explicit geometry Why?

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 12:35 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/10 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: On 5/10/2012 12:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you can do this but it will always be preliminary and worse than explicit geometry Why? Because it gives you more information (e.g. the radius

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've started tagging local mini_roundabouts with mountable=yes/no. Most have trees and are obviously not. But I'm not exactly sure where the line is. Should one with a low curb, more like a gutter, be considered a true mini-roundabout or not? For example, this one in Kissimmee:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 5:31 PM, Andrew Chadwick (lists) wrote: 19 tc (turning circle at the end of a road, with or without a solid centre) Careful - there was a recent dispute over whether a turning circle with an island is really a turning_circle, very reminiscent of this mini_roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I just went through the mini_roundabouts in east central Florida. I found one definitely mountable (in an industrial park), 202 definitely not mountable (including some culs-de-sac), 3 that I'm not sure about, and 4 mistagged turning_circles. Obviously this says a lot about roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 6:47 PM, Andrew Chadwick (lists) wrote: Might solve the problem of people not making the distinction between flat mini roundabouts and the bigger sort, or not making the distinction in the definitively correct place. You're conflating size of intersection with height of center.

[Tagging] That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved

2012-05-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/place%3Dquarter#Voting_result ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/27/2012 3:25 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: While this is ongoing, Pieren continues to remove area=yes from railway=platform, which has been on the page since it was created in 2008: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:railway%3Dplatformaction=history And Pieren continues

[Tagging] Waterway directionality in drainage canals

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's the standard to draw a waterway in the direction of flow. I've questioned this several times, but it's an ingrained default. My question is more specific: what happens to a drainage canal that reverses direction? I offer the Everglades and surrounding agricultural land as an example.

Re: [Tagging] lanes=* on cycleways

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/28/2012 5:32 AM, Sander Deryckere wrote: Can you give a picture of multi-lane cycleways (or coordinates, so we can see it in aerial pics or via streetview)? Not quite what you're looking for, but here's another weird edge case with a pedestrian lane rather than a sidewalk:

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/28/2012 7:59 AM, Anthony wrote: Scanning the wiki it looks like usually-not-area would be less of a moving target. Otherwise almost every time someone adds a new amenity you have to add a new always-area tag. The usually-not-area would be junction=roundabout, barrier=*,

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
While this is ongoing, Pieren continues to remove area=yes from railway=platform, which has been on the page since it was created in 2008: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:railway%3Dplatformaction=history ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/25/2012 3:39 AM, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's not highway only. For example, it can be used on railway=platform: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/94063273 or man_made=pier:

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/25/2012 4:53 AM, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Because a railway platform is usually drawn as a single line (as is a pier). Omitting area=yes gives a hole in the middle. Sounds tagging for the renderer... Where did I mention

Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia

2012-04-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/24/2012 2:13 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Pieren - thanks for pointing out that area=yes is highway only. How could the documentation for it be clearer [1]? It's not highway only. For example, it can be used on railway=platform: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/94063273 or

[Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/20/2012 4:19 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 20.04.2012 09:02, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? There is only a tag at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement

[Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word 'usually' be removed?

Re: [Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/18/2012 9:34 AM, Masi Master wrote: For me, it looks like a bicycle-lane. On first look with no sign, so i would tag it cycleway=lane + bicycle=yes (- no designated or official, because a OSM-cycleway is for me a way, that is made for cycling (with no implied access), access can be added

[Tagging] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'm wondering what the best way would be to tag a good-quality shoulder that acts essentially as an undesignated bike lane, in that you can use it but it is not required. Current Florida DOT policy is to use these on rural roads, with marked bike lanes only when there is a lane to the right.

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Smooth shoulder intended for cycling

2012-04-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Hmmm. Apparently Thunderbird's 'reply to list' fails when there are multiple lists. Sending again: On 4/17/2012 11:47 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: I quite like cycleway=shoulder. It describes exactly what's going on: the cycling infrastructure at this point isn't a marked lane (cycleway=lane), nor

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/15/2012 3:55 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-04-14 22:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: In the U.S., a gated residential community usually allows anyone in who has a legitimate reason to be there (e.g. visiting a friend, delivering a package, repairing a TV). It seems that this fits access

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/15/2012 6:30 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-04-15 01:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: How would you distinguish an entry for visitors from an entry for residents only? name= or ref= or whatever else Mapnik was designed to render on a gate. That's only a solution if the gates actually have

Re: [Tagging] Gated communities - access=private or destination?

2012-04-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/15/2012 10:39 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-04-15 13:55, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/15/2012 6:30 AM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-04-15 01:10, Nathan Edgars II wrote: How would you distinguish an entry for visitors from an entry for residents only? name= or ref= or whatever else Mapnik

[Tagging] Defaults (Re: sidewalks and tagging for the renderer)

2012-04-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I think we're talking about two different things here. (a) An editor (program) automatically applying tags to an object. This is bad, because we don't know whether the mapper has specifically verified this, or whether it's just being assumed and may be false. (b) Tags on an area that specify

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/12/2012 2:33 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 19:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/11/2012 7:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 13:28 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: If sidewalks were tagged without

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: If sidewalks were tagged without the highway tag, routing would continue to work like it does for everybody Except when a motorway has a sidewalk. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/11/2012 7:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 13:28 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/11/2012 4:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: If sidewalks were tagged without the highway tag, routing would continue to work like it does for everybody Except when a motorway has

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The suggested tagging is IMHO tagging for the renderer. For tagging sidewalks it would be sufficent to tag them with footway=sidewalk without the highway-tag. In analogy to this tagging we would optionally be mapping an ordinary street as dual

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 2:26 PM, Pieren wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/10/2012 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The suggested tagging is IMHO tagging for the renderer. For tagging sidewalks it would be sufficent to tag them with

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks and tagging for the renderer

2012-04-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/10/2012 6:38 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Not explicitly. And while it is true that the examples don't include sidewalks, they do include cycleways, where we have basically the same debate whether or not they should be separate ways. Are you talking about bike lanes or sidepaths? The latter is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reversible lane (tidal flow)

2012-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2012 7:18 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! This is a follow-up proposal for the :lanes proposal. I suggest the introduction of a new key to tag all kinds of reversible lanes: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reversible_lane A center turn lane is not a reversible lane

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reversible lane (tidal flow)

2012-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2012 7:47 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: I took the notation from the wikipedia page linked in the proposal. I don't know why Wikipedia groups them, but it at least doesn't say that a center turn lane is a reversible lane. http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2b.htm#section2B24

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reversible lane (tidal flow)

2012-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2012 9:26 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: It seems to me, that two-way lane is more widely known for this. So I changed the key to two_way_lane. I also changed the value reversible to tidal_flow (british english) The proposal is now located here:

Re: [Tagging] Proposal on a key page?

2012-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2012 9:44 AM, Andrew Hartley wrote: hello, while reading the reversible proposal i stumbled across the centre turn lanes proposal. this proposal was written on a key page instead of a proposal page. is this a mistake or is there any reason for this?

Re: [Tagging] Proposal on a key page?

2012-03-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/26/2012 10:53 AM, Andrew Hartley wrote: I created it there because the purpose was foremost to explain existing tagging. Hence it's not proposed, since multiple mappers already use it. are you sure about this? according to taginfo

Re: [Tagging] reference_point and landmark for addresses

2012-03-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/20/2012 6:52 PM, Felix Delattre wrote: In Central America describing addresses work differently than in northern countries. As there are often times no street names and people are used to describe the addresses with reference points. Only in some residential areas they use letter and

Re: [Tagging] reference_point and landmark for addresses

2012-03-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/21/2012 9:06 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: The harder question is if you want to try and define actual addresses, like actually putting a unique address description on each dwelling (From the church, 400m south, From the church, 380m south with the blue door). But maybe leave that harder

[Tagging] Business being operated out of a home?

2012-03-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1584729508 This is a residential apartment building. Is it appropriate for one of the residents to add a digital marketing business he owns? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Warning traffic signs - Invitation to discussion

2012-03-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/14/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:32 PM, OSM usero...@fizik.spb.ru wrote: You can look at these signs here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Traffic_sign#dangerous_turn_and_dangerous_turns . These signs mean: *) there will be dangerous

[Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dturning_circle#Central_island The question is whether a normal-sized turning circle can be tagged as such if there's a small landscaped island in the middle. Here's a local example:

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/13/2012 7:45 AM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 13/03/2012 11:29, Nathan Edgars II wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dturning_circle#Central_island The question is whether a normal-sized turning circle can be tagged as such if there's a small landscaped island

Re: [Tagging] dispute about center island in a turning circle

2012-03-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 3/13/2012 11:14 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Martin Vonwald wrote: The central island - if there is one at all - of a mini-roundabout, must be traversable, while this is not true for the roundabout. This is not what the wiki says and not how I've been tagging mini_roundabouts or have seen

Re: [Tagging] Route Relations and Special (Bannered) Routes

2012-03-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's obvious to me that the banner is not part of the network. US 1 Alternate is part of the U.S. Highway system (US:US), not some mythical U.S. Highway Alternate system. It also makes the most sense to put it in the ref tag. Otherwise there's inconsistency between an alternate signed as US 1

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trail blaze

2012-03-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
You can also use traffic_sign=blaze (as with signs mounted on buildings and the old practice of painting signs on telephone poles). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - center_turn_lane

2012-03-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
If anyone cares and wishes to discuss it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:center_turn_lane Otherwise I'll just skip voting and get on with mapping. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] This needs to be nipped in the bud

2012-03-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes_and_complex_intersections_visual_approach User Cmuelle8 insists on adding it to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lane_tagging_comparison#A_visual_approach as a valid alternate. ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] What is this path surface called?

2012-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://i43.tinypic.com/2moxxjl.jpg There's a black tarp spread over the ground (tree roots have exposed a piece here) with dirt, mulch, and other natural materials spread on top. Does this have a name? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] What is this path surface called?

2012-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/26/2012 12:59 PM, Mike Valiant wrote: I think the tarp is a horticultural membrane designed to stop weeds growing up through the path. The mulch looks like debris that has fallen from the trees rather than anything applied deliberately. It's difficult to see from the photo, but it looks

Re: [Tagging] unfinished railway of historic importance

2012-02-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/25/2012 8:24 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: You probably already know this, but: in OSM railway=abandoned is what we in the US would call old railroad grade. railway=disused seems to cover both what we would call out of service (a term within railroad regulation, referring to tracks/ROW still

Re: [Tagging] Custom mailboxes

2012-02-21 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/20/2012 1:05 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi. If it's an artwork, I would tag it as an artwork. If it's a landmark (yes, that IS possible - if I think e.g. about some areas in Sweden), I would probably tag as something like that For that matter, how would I tag a mailbox in general? Not

Re: [Tagging] tagging of ele / elevation data e.g. in the context of towers

2012-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Simple solution: use ele:top=* for the elevation of the top. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] undesignated bike lanes (Re: [Talk-us] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:cycleway=buffered_lane)

2012-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/20/2012 8:23 AM, Hillsman, Edward wrote: While we are discussing this, we should also agree on how to tag bicycle lanes that are unmarked. We have a surprising number of these in my area of the world. They have no signs (I know, they are no longer required to) and no markings within the

[Tagging] Custom mailboxes

2012-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Would it be reasonable to map custom personal mailboxes that are essentially public art (e.g. in the shape of a manatee)? Or is this going a bit too far? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Named railway locations

2012-02-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
One possibility is railway=station state=abandoned (where that's correct, of course). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Water supply facility

2012-02-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The county has a bunch of water supply facilities that I presume are used to store water as an intermediate step in the water supply chain (and not for wastewater). How should I tag them? Here's a list so you can see what kind of things they have:

Re: [Tagging] Water supply facility

2012-02-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/17/2012 2:01 AM, Andre Engels wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: The county has a bunch of water supply facilities that I presume are used to store water as an intermediate step in the water supply chain (and not for wastewater). How should I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Game arcade

2012-02-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/11/2012 1:48 AM, Shu Higashi wrote: Hi list, There are many game arcades (or amusement arcades or video arcades) in Japan, but tags have not been defined yet. It's a facility usually in a building for amusement, not for gambling. How about in other countries? I propose a tag definition as

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 2:25 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The lane-case is a little different though, because if you have multiple values there (plus a definition from where to start) you won't need lane numbering. For buildings you will have unambigous numbers for the floors anyway, and they are the

Re: [Tagging] building attributes

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 3:14 PM, Bryce2 Nesbitt wrote: Colons in keys are likely to make many casual mappers uneasy about editing said tag, let alone two of them in one key. Casual mappers seem an unlikely target for this particular type of highly technical mapping. Adding the number of

Re: [Tagging] Multi-value tagging and Lane Groups

2012-02-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/8/2012 3:47 PM, Colin Smale wrote: For building floors, are there any cultures which number their floors downwards? The Troglodytes. There is of course the common leaving off of the 13th floor. ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] When should a name:* translation be used?

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I ask because someone added a name:vi tag for Orange County, Florida: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/389011 As far as I know, there is no large Vietnamese population here and no other reason why someone would want to know the literal translation of Orange County into Vietnamese.

Re: [Tagging] When should a name:* translation be used?

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/30/2012 1:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/1/30 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: I ask because someone added a name:vi tag for Orange County, Florida: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/389011 As far as I know, there is no large Vietnamese population here and no other

Re: [Tagging] When should a name:* translation be used?

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Martin, what is this? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/10542244 This is Orange County, Florida, not Orange County, California. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Public airport multipolygon?

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
There's a problem with the key type. It's necessary for a multipolygon relation, but also has other uses such as the type of airport (public/private). So how is one to indicate that an airport represented by a multipolygon is public? ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Public airport multipolygon?

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/30/2012 3:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: There's a problem with the key type. It's necessary for a multipolygon relation, but also has other uses such as the type of airport (public/private). So how is one to indicate that an airport represented by a multipolygon is public? Addendum

Re: [Tagging] Public airport multipolygon?

2012-01-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/30/2012 7:29 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Btw: what is the meaning of Public/private airport? Is this the operator? The proprietor? I'd choose a tag that makes it unambiguously clear which property it refers to. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Daerodrome To identify the

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