Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-27 Thread Roger Slevin
Peter Locality Classification was added as a possible nice to have to the version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no guidance has been created to indicate how this field should be used (save for a table of permitted values). There is no classification data in NPTG other than that

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-27 Thread Christoph Böhme
Good evening, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: On 26 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Christoph Böhme wrote: I also created a copy of the NOVAM viewer and changed it to display NTPG data instead of bus stops: http://www.mappa-mercia.org/cgi-bin/nptg.wsgi/viewer.html Great stuff, and

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-27 Thread Christoph Böhme
Hi Roger Slevin ro...@slevin.plus.com schrieb: Locality Classification was added as a possible nice to have to the version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no guidance has been created to indicate how this field should be used (save for a table of permitted values). There is no

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-27 Thread Roger Slevin
You ask about the omissions from NPTG. Perhaps it would be helpful if I described the history of creating NPTG and what the brief has been to local data editors in terms of what is or is not included in the database. NPTG started life as a national statistical gazetteer based on a collation of

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-27 Thread Roger Slevin
One other possibility that might work would be to look at the number of bus stops associated with a locality - something fairly easy to measure from NaPTAN. Combine this with the parent / child locality relationship could give you a way of expressing a sort of locality type classification. Roger

Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import

2009-07-27 Thread Chris Hill
Christoph Böhme wrote: Hi Roger Slevin ro...@slevin.plus.com schrieb: Locality Classification was added as a possible nice to have to the version 2 schema but it has not been populated, and no guidance has been created to indicate how this field should be used (save for a table of

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-07-27 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-May/000901.html On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.comwrote: no responses yet, need 1 more, 4 cannot make a company, need 5

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-07-27 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
ok thats 5 then, is Murlwe in Davao atm? ok i have to look into the logistics of having incorporators abroad and not all in the same place. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-May/000901.html

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-07-27 Thread maning sambale
Awww. No beer with all the incorporators in one amenity=pub signing the SEC documents? :) On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanneran...@enthropia.com wrote: ok thats 5 then, is Murlwe in Davao atm? ok i have to look into the logistics of having incorporators abroad and not all in

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possiblelocalchapter

2009-07-27 Thread Marloue Pidor
Andre, I had second thoughts. How much would each incorporators shell out? murlwe -Original Message- From: Andre Marcelo-Tanner [an...@enthropia.com] Sent: 7/27/2009 10:33:56 PM To: sea...@gmail.com Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possiblelocalchapter

2009-07-27 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Shell out? Nothing aside from the cost of acquiring your TIN, and maybe your Community Tax Certificate (~PHP5) and Notarization fee of wherever you get notarized (here its PHP100) Marloue Pidor wrote: Andre, I had second thoughts. How much would each incorporators shell out? murlwe

Re: [talk-ph] Draft MoA between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

2009-07-27 Thread Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.
Sorry I missed this. Yes, I still volunteer, and I'm going to the Phils in 3 weeks anyway, so if it will happen between 3 and 7 weeks from now, perfect! Ronny. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before:

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Where do we stand regarding collective/derivative databases

2009-07-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, generally good progress on ODbL; many things have been cleared up and we will soon be at a point where the proposal for a license change is not some cloudy abstract thing any longer but a very concrete proposal that people can evaluate. After the LWG has made an effort to resolve the

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 27 Jul 2009, at 04:43, John Smith wrote: --- On Sun, 26/7/09, Vikas Yadav vi...@thevikas.com wrote: btw, JOSM does not recognize turnstile while it had an icon for stile. Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. there is no official turnstile tag

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. Do we really need to file bugs on all types of stiles? or would it be better to list it as barrier=stile and subtype? Remember that in OSM you can

[OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. By using height you don't have to break the way under the bridge up, on the other hand maxheight is specific to the road under

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
maxheight=* refers to legal maxheight, in some countries, such as brazil, there is a difference on legal height (restriction) and physical height/clearance (information sign). See my note on the discussion on the wiki key:height - if height is not to be used for this, than another tag is needed -

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline

2009-07-27 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Chris Hill chillly...@yahoo.co.uk To: OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastline I have altered the coastline in the Humber estuary, UK to reflect the official position of where the coast ends and

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Peter Dörrie
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: maxheight=* refers to legal maxheight, in some countries, such as brazil, there is a difference on legal height (restriction) and physical height/clearance (information sign). See my note on the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread marcus.wolschon
I am tagging both as maxheight. It is a restriction that you are not capable or allowed to pass a given node or a given way in any direction with a vehicle of greater height. That is also how I am evaluating maxheight and maxwidth in Traveling Salesman. Marcus On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:31:49

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Craig Wallace
On 27/07/2009 09:57, John Smith wrote: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. By using height you don't have to break the way under the bridge up, on the other

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at http://josm.openstreetmap.de to get one added. Do we really need to file bugs on all types of stiles? or would it be better to list it as

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. height on the bridge instead of the way under it would IMHO indicate the height

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. the Key:maxheight says it clearly http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxheight

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to break up the way and mark it as maxheight I'm just trying to make other people's

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to break up the way and mark it as

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
And the bridge in question is a rail bridge with over head wires, the height bit is clearance under the bridge. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: but be careful not to break things up. Maxheight could be valid for the way on the bridge itself as well. Yup, the height is someone's attempt to do maxheight, not mapping the clearance or height of the bridge... In

Re: [OSM-talk] park barrier

2009-07-27 Thread Vikas Yadav
I made this icon for JOSM. My not an artist. This is the top with walls on both sides. 2009/7/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Then file a trac ticket at

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-27 Thread Tom Hughes
On 27/07/09 14:09, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:54, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: Did you mean impo...@osmfoundation.org perhaps? Which I've just realised is not yet set up. Have now done so. Actually it is. I just can't read the control

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-27 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 15:16, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: That is still the address for the WG but following a request at SOTM there is now a mailing lists for general public discussion of imports as well. Who is in the working group? And what are they doing? I could not find any

Re: [OSM-talk] A possible way to promote OSM

2009-07-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Simone Cortesi wrote: Who is in the working group? And what are they doing? I could not find any information about this It is a new style of working group. OSM never had physical working groups (PWG); ours were always remote working groups (RWG) where people would ususally work by e-mail

[OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
The other day my family was on a road trip and we passed by an unfamilliar city. We wanted to find a chinese restaurant, so I used the database of business locations in City Navigator NT to find one. OSM could replace, perhaps even surpass, the street maps in a product like City

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Milo van der Linden
My wild guess is that this might be on the core-business-todo list for cloudmade ;-) Paul Houle schreef: The other day my family was on a road trip and we passed by an unfamilliar city. We wanted to find a chinese restaurant, so I used the database of business locations in City

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Brilliant! I second that.. Erm.. +1 that idea! -with a custom CM slippy map that will show the listings. (that companies can use) BUT -The basemap (mapnik, osmarender, cyclemap) shouldnt play favorites, it lists it all at lowest zoom :-) (a middleman who can play nice with yellow pages) Cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread sergio sevillano
Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: 2009/7/27 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: maxheight expresses a height limit for using the way to which the tag is added. If no unit is included, the value is assumed to be in metres. You get to

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
But CloudMade and OSM are 2 different things. Yellow pages can use cloudmades slippymap instead of others. They could partner-up, but give us 2 more years to get OSM-basemap upto snuff :-) On 7/27/09, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Paul Houle

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, John Smith escribió: At this point in time OSM needs businesses to embrace it more than it can offer back to businesses, so charging them would be like a slap in the face. You're doing it wrong. I do think that OSM should tap into government sources. Every

Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline

2009-07-27 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
Forward to ML. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Martijn van Oosterhoutklep...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David Groomrevi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: Yes. For mapnik, at high zoom levels the coast polygons used are generated from shapefiles created by the coastline error

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Jack Stringer
Maybe an offshoot of osm should be a open directory business directory. That people locate their business on a osm then it should be search able via the main page. As I keep saying it also would add extra navagation points such as postal codes. On Jul 27, 2009 4:46 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Lars Aronsson
John Smith wrote: Don't ya just love a good chicken and egg problem. Yellow pages works because it has both critical mass and usually a physical product is sent out. Before telecom deregulation (1980 or so), every person (or household, anyway) was in the phone book because there was just

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Right, my business is listed with the BC business registry, which is government funded. You can look up in the Canadian corporate registry all businesses the addresses. I dont think that that information is copyrighted, as long as its properly sourced? Right? Being manually listed with an

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Stephan Plepelits
Hi! You might want to try this: http://www.openstreetbrowser.org Unfortunately I'm not able to provide this for the whole planet right now, only Europe is there. greetings, Stephan -- Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Nic Roets
Some very good observations, Lars. Even simpler than webcrawling would to imitate these guys and just provide a simple web form : http://www.google.com/local/add/analyticsSplashPage?gl=ushl=en-US On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: John Smith wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Sam Vekemans
Anyway, I created a wiki page for it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Business_Directory And we can throw in more facts and ideas there on how to improve on OpenStreetBrowser etc. Cheers, Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Phil Endecott
Lars Aronsson wrote: I doubt that any yellow pages catalog covers a critical mass of all business any longer. We're back to the 19th century, when, before telephones, various private publishers printed address calendars. Just jumping in with a random factoid here. I read a piece in the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
(Sending this to wikipedia-l OSM's legal-talk too) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: So, what we should do is to author a document (on the wiki?) which clearly

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, Sam Vekemans escribió: Right, my business is listed with the BC business registry, which is government funded. You can look up in the Canadian corporate registry all businesses the addresses. I dont think that that information is copyrighted, as long as its

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Lars Aronsson
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: I do think that OSM should tap into government sources. Every country must have some kind of business registry that could be cross-referenced with house numbers. Did you try to get hold of such a list? Was it useful? I'm an independent computer consultant. In

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, Lars Aronsson escribió: Did you try to get hold of such a list? Was it useful? I'm an independent computer consultant. In the tax registry, I'm an educational venture. Maybe your map would show my home address as a school building? I guess most restaurants

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: NASA/METI have updated their distribution terms with a FAQ in response to my questions:    https://lpdaac.usgs.gov/lpdaac/about/news_archive/friday_july_24_2009 Unfortunately the new terms aren't new at all,

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Marcus Wolschon
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, sergio sevillanosergiosevillano.m...@gmail.com wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer escribió: there is no need to break anything height and maxheight can also be just nodes. i think the wiki definition is quite clear for all. so for me: - maxheight on the bridge

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2009/7/27 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, John Smith escribió: At this point in time OSM needs businesses to embrace it more than it can offer back to businesses, so charging them would be like a slap in the face. You're doing it wrong. I do think

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread OJ W
one way that a business-listings website could work with OSM would be to let each advertiser 'own' (not exclusively) an OSM node that they can keep updated from some business-advertising website. (1) you create an account and say I want to advertise a {business_type} at {location} (doesn't matter

Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map

2009-07-27 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab at gmail.com writes: http://cassini.toolserver.org/browse-fr.html http://cassini.toolserver.org/browse-nl.html The

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
Phil Endecott wrote: I'm not sure how far you can extrapolate from that, but I think it's still fair to say that Yellow Pages covers most businesses. Certainly the copies that arrive on my doorstep each year (and go straight into the recycling bin) are not getting any thinner.

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
Jeffrey Ollie wrote: Ævar, thanks for taking point on this... These sort of licensing issues are an annoying, but necessary part of our work and not everyone has the stomach for it. I myself have run into the issue locally... There's nearby county that has very high resolution aerial images

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:44:44 +0200, Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail) skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: maxheight=* refers to legal maxheight, in some countries, such as brazil, there is a difference on legal height

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:47 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I think the bridge should be tagged. There was an overwhelming response on the main talk list that this be tagged as maxheight on the way that has the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
I do not agree that they bouth should be treated as maxheight=* If my car with load that is 3m high, and maxheight=3m, but physical clearance is much higher,than you would pass at the speed limit, but if both maxheight and physical clearance is 3m, than I would need to slow down to almost crawl

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lars Aronsson wrote: Most businesses would register the postal address where they receive mail from tax authorities, not the shop front door. So you would find me, and another hundred businesses, at the one address. It will be an accountants when you arrived at the

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes under the bridge.  It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of the bridge. You're saying that the clearance under a bridge is not an attribute of the

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Cameronosm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote: I think tag the part of the way that is signed. Generally before bridges there is a sign informing road users of the bridge's restrictions. Sometimes they will offer an alternate route for larger vehicles. So tag

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes under the bridge. It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of the bridge. You're saying that the

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Liz schrieb: To return to the bridge the following attributes of the bridge and the road underneath it all need to be considered Height of bridge Height above sea level of the bridge Max height of the arch of the bridge above the roadway Max height of a vehicle which can drive under the

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:34:00 +1000, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Cameronosm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote: I think tag the part of the way that is signed. Generally before bridges there is a sign informing road users of the bridge's

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Liz schrieb: To return to the bridge the following attributes of the bridge and the road underneath it all need to be considered Height of bridge Height above sea level of the bridge Max height of the arch of the bridge above the roadway

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Funnily enough, where I have been mapping the sign is always on the bridge itself. Anyway, I think we should be tagging what the sign is referring to, independent of the sign itself. even if the sign is on the bridge structure it is a limitation valid for the road passing under the bridge.

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Ross Scanloni...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Does this mean the bridge has a clearance of 2.8 or the road under the bridge has a clearance of 2.8.  To me this would suggest the bridge has a limit of 2.8 ie vehicles travelling over the bridge can not be above 2.8

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Apollinaris Schoellascho...@gmail.com wrote:  one bridge can cross multiple roads with different maxheight limtations. This is a good argument in favour of tagging the ways that pass under a bridge instead of the bridge. But I think it should be weighed against

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: My main point is that when there is a maximum height under a way, this should be tagged as an attribute of that way, not of the ways that pass under it. Here I cannot agree When I travel over the bridge I am not interested in the maximum height of the

Re: [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. The maxheight tag looks like it was aimed as a restriction tag, the way below the bridge is restricted if you are above or close to X metres you will

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/7/28 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: In Australia in Telstra won a lawsuit against people OCR'ing the street directory and selling white/yellow pages on CD. For all intents and purposes Telstra owns the copyright on all Australian White/Yellow page directories and now Telstra is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Stephen Hope wrote: And I don't know if the TV company counter appealed at a higher level. They couldn't. The last one ruling was from the High Court. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] i18n-rich areas on the map

2009-07-27 Thread Stefan Baebler
Very nice! What i miss is getting a bigger map. If there is a thumbnail map embedded into an article people would normally click it in order to see the map in better detail (normally on a bigger map), not to navigate in a thumbnail sized slippy map. There needs to be some intuitive way to switch

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: When I travel over the bridge I am not interested in the maximum height of the way which travels under the bridge. When I travel under the bridge I am interested in the height limitation. Ah, perhaps our difference in opinion stems

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. Agreed. And it's clear that both ways of thinking are probably valid. As

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. And it's clear that both ways of thinking are probably valid. As of time of writing maxheight is the only valid one and I don't think we need or should have 2 tags to indicate the same thing in 2 different ways. Can

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. Agreed. And it's clear that both

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, perhaps our difference in opinion stems from our different perspectives - your emphasis on when I travel vs my emphasis on, perhaps, when I look at a map, or when I conceptualise the world. That was the basis of the 2 sets

[OSM-talk] Old GPS data

2009-07-27 Thread Aleksejs Mjaliks
Hello! I am currently looking at GPS collected by OSM colleges here at Riga. I see there is data about temporary bridge built during road works and after de-mounted. Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: As of time of writing maxheight is the only valid one and I don't think we need or should have 2 tags to indicate the same thing in 2 different ways. I meant there's two ways of conceptualising the distance below a

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I would at least suggest that - if maxheight is applied to a node, as you suggest - the node should be *shared* by the bridge (way) and the way passing under. This makes it clearer that maxheight is The problem with this is

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Liz
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?). Logically you can as they are on different layers. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I would at least suggest that - if maxheight is applied to a node, as you suggest - the node should be *shared* by the bridge (way) and the way passing

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Maarten Deen
Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: As of time of writing maxheight is the only valid one and I don't think we need or should have 2 tags to indicate the same thing in 2 different ways. I meant there's two ways of conceptualising the

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?). Logically you can as they are on different layers. Yes,

[OSM-talk] [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Maarten Deen
Liz edodd at billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?). Logically you can as they are on different layers. That is not going to work. There is

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Garmin maps corrupt?

2009-07-27 Thread Lambertus
Je hebt gelijk, de generatie van de verschillende NL Topo kaarten is op dit moment kapot. Oorzaak is een invalide XML export van de OSM.org site waardoor de NL extract op dit moment nog steeds kapot is. We zitten allemaal te wachten op bepaalde mede OSM-mers die bij machte zijn om de NL

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Saaie, disfunctionele website

2009-07-27 Thread Ante
De essentie van mijn verhaal komt niet over: zonder ingrijpen is het blog dood. OSM is een groot project, met veel kanten. Het is van belang dat een aantal van die kanten op de website direct aanwezig zijn. Goede informatie voor beginners hoort daar zeker bij. Een andere kant is dat je als

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Saaie, disfunctionele website

2009-07-27 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Ante wrote: Zonder ingrijpen is het blog dood. Ga eerst eens bloggen, of gewoon tags herstellen, heb ik bij de laatste twintig artikelen ook gedaan. Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Saaie, disfunctionele website

2009-07-27 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
kan ik ergens m'n account herterugaanvragen? gr, floris Stefan de Konink wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Ante wrote: Zonder ingrijpen is het blog dood. Ga eerst eens bloggen, of gewoon tags herstellen, heb ik bij de laatste twintig artikelen ook gedaan. Stefan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Saaie, disfunctionele website

2009-07-27 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Floris Looijesteijn wrote: kan ik ergens m'n account herterugaanvragen? Je account zit er nog gewoon in ;) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Saaie, disfunctionele website

2009-07-27 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Ante wrote: OSM is een groot project, met veel kanten. Het is van belang dat een aantal van die kanten op de website direct aanwezig zijn. Goede informatie voor beginners hoort daar zeker bij. Een andere kant is dat je als OSM ook je belangen wilt behartigen. Komt het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] pier tagging

2009-07-27 Thread Rejo Zenger
Hi there, Ik had een week of anderhalf geleden een paar kleine vragen gesteld naar aanleiding van problemen die ik tegenkwam bij het verhelpen van Keep Right issues. Slechts een van die vragen is beantwoord. Kan iemand mij nog helpen met: - Bij onder meer jacht- en woonboothavens heb je

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] pier tagging

2009-07-27 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:32:52 +0200 you wrote: - Bij onder meer jacht- en woonboothavens heb je geregeld dat er een stijger en/of pier ergens op het land begint en een aardig stuk het meer of plas inloopt. Deze tag je met highway: footway, man_made: pier of iets dergelijks.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] pier tagging

2009-07-27 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 27/07/09 21:05 +0200 - Philip Homburg: Ok. Dus, de regel is: als een way een andere way kruist in hetzelfde vlak, dan *moet* er op de op de kruising van die twee ways een node aanwezig zijn. Als een way een andere way in een andere laag kruist, dan hoort daar geen node (in ieder geval niet

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] pier tagging

2009-07-27 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:18:16 +0200 you wrote: Ok. Dus, de regel is: als een way een andere way kruist in hetzelfde vlak, dan *moet* er op de op de kruising van die twee ways een node aanwezig zijn. Als een way een andere way in een andere laag kruist, dan hoort daar geen node (in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] pier tagging

2009-07-27 Thread Christiaan Welvaart
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Lambert Carsten wrote: On Monday 27 July 2009 22:05:51 Lennard wrote: Hans van Wijk wrote: Maar weet iemand de reden daarvoor ook? Een brug loopt in het algemeen niet door tot op een kruising. Ik ken anders in Amsterdam genoeg voorbeelden. Die regel (3 of meer wegen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] pier tagging

2009-07-27 Thread Lennard
Christiaan Welvaart wrote: Het probleem is misschien dat die levels vooral gebruikt worden om dingen netjes te kunnen stapelen bij het renderen. Het is de vraag of waterways e.d. met level=-1 goed gerenderd worden. Speaking for mapnik: Het maakt op dit moment geen bal uit. De levels van

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