[Talk-transit] cloudmade routing fail?

2009-12-01 Thread Jozef Riha
hello everyone, can anyone please tell me why cloudmade does not want to navigate on/via http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=48.894913lng=17.708158zoom=15directions=48.89702927061499,17.7099609375,48.89101950595075,17.71249294281006travel=footstyleId=1opened_tab=1 ? i see nothing wrong with

Re: [Talk-transit] cloudmade routing fail?

2009-12-01 Thread Sergiy Drapiko
Hello Jozef, I don't believe this is the right list to ask about Cloudmade services. I have forwarded your email to our support team, you should hear from them shortly. BR, Sergiy -- Sergiy Drapiko Product Manager Cloudmade On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Jozef Riha jose1...@gmail.com wrote:

[Talk-hr] Netko se pravi pametan...

2009-12-01 Thread Dražen Odobašić
Daklem, korisnik http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/uhs01/edits i http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/uhs02/edits koristi Google ili neku drugu podlogu za iscrtavanje, što je čisti piratluk. Činjenica da se to može napraviti ne znači da se to smije napraviti. Također to što se prijavio jučer i što

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views

2009-12-01 Thread maning sambale
Really cool debugging tool -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi,    the Geofabrik OSM

[OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Paul Cardinaels
English version below Dag allemaal, Ik ben Paul Cardinaels, 25 jaar en ik ben al enkele jaren bezig met mappen voor OSM. Eerst heb ik de omgeving van Neerpelt gedaan, en nu wil ik beginnen aan de omgeving Meerle/Hoogstraten. Omdat ik verhuisd ben kan ik de TomTom van mijn ouders niet meer

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread wannes
Op 1 december 2009 12:29 heeft Paul Cardinaels p.cardina...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Since I moved I can't use my parents TomTom anymore, and so I'm searching for a cheap GPS reciever (navigation isn't necessary) with USB-connection and wich stores the tracks in .gpx-format. Do you

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Alternate bus routes

2009-12-01 Thread Denis Jacquerye
You can create a new relation with the alternate path and the parameter state=alternate (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route). Maybe add a note to the description parameter. If the reference is the same, keep it that way, but if the name is different use it for the name

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstelling en vraagje

2009-12-01 Thread Luc Van den Troost
Dag Paul, Als het enkel is om je tracks te loggen en te gebruiken kan je - een gps receiver kopen - het goedkoopst - die de data doorstuurt naar laptop of dergelijke en ze dan loggen op de laptop, - een tracker nemen, die hetzelfde kan, maar ook zelfstandig de data kan opslaan. Op deze pagina

Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Bart Vanherck
I think I was a little bit to fast. It is about http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=51.0466lon=5.0184zoom=13 The street is called Diestsebaan between Diest and Veerle-Laakdal. The way is also tagged as cycleway. Because I use josm the way was drawn as a cycleway. In the online editor

Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Philippe Piquer
According to sattelite imagery, the cycleway is not separated ... It might be a JOSM bug do display it as a cycleway ... I'll check tonight on a similar road in my neighbourhood ... 2009/12/1 Bart Vanherck vanherck.b...@telenet.be I think I was a little bit to fast. It is about

Re: [OSM-talk-be] way Diest - Geel

2009-12-01 Thread Tim Aerts
I think I did. I think it serves no purpose, also, it was connected wrong on most of the junctions. After reading a bit, I found a page (from Ben?) that describes it not being a good idea do to so. I also think it should never ne drawn seperate, as, logically it's the same road,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Amos
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it? The

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Harris
This may be too England-oriented to be generally useful but for what it is worth ... If the area of grass is a meadow or park over which there exists a large number of equivalent 'invisible' routes that could physically walked I would only use an area tag such as 'meadow' or 'park' and add 'path'

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Harris
Broadly agree but why is 'meadow' not a land use? I believe that it is - in rural England at least ... See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Anthony [mailto:o...@inbox.org] Sent: 01 December 2009 00:12 To: Roy Wallace Cc:

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-12-01 Thread Liz
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Mike Harris wrote: Broadly agree but why is 'meadow' not a land use? I believe that it is - in rural England at least ... See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow meadow is a statement of what grows there landuse could be grazing or recreation or hay production

[OSM-talk] Cloudmade routing

2009-12-01 Thread Jonas Svensson
Is this a bug in cloudmade routing or is there some problem with the tagging of our roads in this example? See http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=58.41374lng=15.623503zoom=15directions=58.41259318415956,15.63929557800293,58.41565019567137,15.625476837158203travel=carstyleId=1opened_tab=1 The routing

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread OJ W
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com Edit the coastline so that it joins the islands instead of separating them but won't this operation make one island instead of 2 that they are? cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread OJ W
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Tuesday 01 December 2009 00:20:20 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is a proposal for it since March 2007, you can simply find it by typing causeway in search. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Causeway

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade routing

2009-12-01 Thread Gregory Williams
-Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jonas Svensson Sent: 1 December 2009 09:08 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade routing Is this a bug in cloudmade routing or is there some problem

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade routing

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 Gregory Williams gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk B over each end of the bridge. So, my guess is that the bridge isn't in Cloudmade's underlying routing data for some reason. +1. Looking on other places on the map I guess the data is at least 1 week old. cheers, Martin

[OSM-talk] [Potlatch 1.3a] Yahoo images jumping while repositioning

2009-12-01 Thread Peter Herison
Hi I just submitted a bugreport for Potlatch 1.3a: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2528 When you try to repostion the Yahoo-Background-Image via space+left mouse the image jumps. Could somebody comfirm? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] [Potlatch 1.3a] Yahoo images jumping while repositioning

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Errington
On Tue, December 1, 2009 19:24, Peter Herison wrote: Hi I just submitted a bugreport for Potlatch 1.3a: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2528 When you try to repostion the Yahoo-Background-Image via space+left mouse the image jumps. Could somebody comfirm? Yes, I noticed this. I

Re: [OSM-talk] [Potlatch 1.3a] Yahoo images jumping while repositioning

2009-12-01 Thread Liz
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Andrew Errington wrote: Yes, I noticed this. I reported it via the mailing list, but not very clearly, and I never submitted a bug report as I am a bad person. an extra hours mapping as penance ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com Edit the coastline so that it joins the islands instead of separating them but won't this operation make one island

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl On Tuesday 01 December 2009 00:20:20 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is a proposal for it since March 2007, you can simply find it by typing causeway in search. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Causeway That page says: Status:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Potlatch 1.3a] Yahoo images jumping while repositioning

2009-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Herison wrote: When you try to repostion the Yahoo-Background-Image via space+left mouse the image jumps. Could somebody comfirm? It would be helpful to have the URL of somewhere where this happens - i.e. lat, lon and crucially, zoom level. I haven't been able to reproduce it on a

[OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Hi all, I'm aware that this topic is somehow delicate, but I was quite astonished when I had a look at Cloudmade's Terms and Conditions http://cloudmade.com/terms_conditions espescially Part 6: * ### 6. Ownership; Proprietary Rights.* As between the Parties, the CloudMade Site including the

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it? The licence does not force you to distribute or make any data available. But if you do choose to distribute it, or anything derived from it, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...)

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org And then both axes are not really boolean. Between the physically possible and the physically impossible may lie an area that requires more skill, better vehicles or simply means a higher risk of accidents. amenity=footway, surface=wire,

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The claim copyright on graphics and design and restrict just the map data to cc-by-sa. IMHO that inhebits e.g. that I take a screenshot of their map and put it on my website. Looking at the legal faq in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-12-01 Thread Mike Harris
To quote from the wikipedia link I included Especially in the United Kingdom and Ireland, the term meadow is commonly used in its original sense to mean a haymeadow; grassland cut annually for hay I cannot see the difference between grassland cut annually for hay and hay production. By

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com If so, that's just silly. really? This term here: (but excluding the Map Data, which are governed solely under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 2.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/) seems to do

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 Liz ed...@billiau.net On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Mike Harris wrote: Broadly agree but why is 'meadow' not a land use? I believe that it is - in rural England at least ... See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow meadow is a statement of what grows there landuse could be grazing or

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:58:35 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: fine, but to me it seems it doesn't care for the viral aspects of our current license, that is: every derived work (derived from our data) must have the same license: cc-by-sa 2.0 A website is no derived work

[OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Is it ever correct for two roads to cross physically, at the same level, but not create a junction between them? The situation I have looks like: C | A---+---B | v | D With apologies for ASCII art. Cars go from A

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/1 marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com A website is no derived work of a map presented in it. It is not adding any data to the map or changing the map itself in a significant way. Merely including something is not relevant. Just like Linux-Distributions containing non-free software and

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: really? Ja rly. If every website that wanted to use OSM data was forced to open license the entire rest of their site, all their artwork etc, it would be a massive disencentive to using it. Also, don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Konrad Skeri
In your special case I guess it would be OK to not create a junction. That will however lead to (false) warnings in OSM data validators and there is a chance that someone else will insert that junction later on, so I'll recommend putting the junction there now and use restriction relations. (e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 2

2009-12-01 Thread Claudius
Am 30.11.2009 11:03, Richard Fairhurst: I’d like to tell you about Potlatch 2, the all-new version of the OpenStreetMap online editor. (...) So have a play, let us know what you think, and grab the source. You can find a read-only running version at: http://www.geowiki.com/potlatch2/

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread David Groom
Yes there should be a node at the crossing. Most of those ways are one way , so routing software would not allow many turns anyway. The only turn I could see being currently as valid would be when going south on Lakeside Drive and turning right onto the northbound carriageway. To stop this

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: David Groom To: Steve Bennett ; Open Street Map mailing list Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads Yes there should be a node at the crossing. Most of those ways are one way , so routing

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:39 AM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netwrote: Alternatively the whole junction restriction could be accomplished as konrad said by a couple of only_straight_on restrictions Ok, I've done that. About time I learnt how to create relations :) Anyone want to check

[OSM-talk] Congratulations, community. was: Cloudmade routing

2009-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Gregory Williams gregory.willi...@purplegeodesoftware.co.uk B over each end of the bridge. So, my guess is that the bridge isn't in Cloudmade's underlying routing data for some reason. +1. Looking on

[OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views

2009-12-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, the Geofabrik OSM Inspector (tools.geofabrik.de/osmi), a debugging tool, now supports worldwide daily data (previously Europe only) for the important views, as well as several other new features. If you are interested, there's more about it on: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=27 Bye

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views

2009-12-01 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi,    the Geofabrik OSM Inspector (tools.geofabrik.de/osmi), a debugging tool, now supports worldwide daily data (previously Europe only) for the important views, as well as several other new features. If you are

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns
2009/12/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer Ja rly. If every website that wanted to use OSM data was forced to open license the entire rest of their site, all their artwork etc, it would be a massive disencentive to using it. If I

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-12-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Liz ed...@billiau.net On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Mike Harris wrote: Broadly agree but why is 'meadow' not a land use? I believe that it is - in rural England at least ... See

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Steve Bennett Be careful. The question about the junction node is NOT about routing but about physical modeling. Even if both roads are not allowing turning left or right, you have to add a junction node (and the relations about turning restrictions), othewise we

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafr...@gmail.comwrote: If I understand him correctly he is not talking about website or any additional tools but about rastered MAP tiles! but excluding the Map Data It's pretty clear. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Congratulations, community. was: Cloudmade routing

2009-12-01 Thread Jonas Svensson
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Richard Weait wrote: So if, in fact, CloudMade has week-old data that is giving sub-optimal routing results in this case, I think that we should congratulate ourselves and them. The bridge itself has not been changed for almost a month and it has been around since 2006 in

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Thanks Pieren, that's the kind of answer I was looking for: NO it's never a good idea to have two highways cross at the same level without an explicit junction. Steve On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Steve Bennett Be careful. The

[OSM-talk] Osmarender layer not working

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Just thought I'd ask - the Osmarender layer isn't displaying for me, as of the last 24 hours or so, maybe more. I just get a white page that keeps trying to load... (This is through the normal openstreetmap.org view...) ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Chilton
Frederik Big thanks from me for the update. Particularly for adding Places. Can you pass my personal thanks to Jochen? He shared draft with me (was my original request) and I was just too sloppy to have responded to him personally on it. Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Bennett wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Lauris Bukšis-Haberkorns lafriks at gmail.comwrote: If I understand him correctly he is not talking about website or any additional tools but about rastered MAP tiles! but excluding the Map Data It's pretty clear. Martin is correct.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Potlatch 1.3a] Yahoo images jumping while repositioning

2009-12-01 Thread Peter Herison
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: Peter Herison wrote: When you try to repostion the Yahoo-Background-Image via space+left mouse the image jumps. Could somebody comfirm? It would be helpful to have the URL of somewhere where this happens - i.e. lat, lon and crucially, zoom level. I haven't been

Re: [OSM-talk] cloudmade maps copyright terms and conditions

2009-12-01 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it? The licence does not force you to distribute or make any data available.

[OSM-talk] Osmosis and --rii

2009-12-01 Thread Jeremy Adams
I'm using osmosis to download replicate diffs via the --rii task and write them out to change files using --wxc. Is there any way to have osmosis name the output file with the sequence ID or timestamp of the last replicate it downloaded? I'm using a script to name them with the current system

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis and --rii

2009-12-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jeremy Adams wrote: I'm using osmosis to download replicate diffs via the --rii task and write them out to change files using --wxc. Is there any way to have osmosis name the output file with the sequence ID or timestamp of the last replicate it downloaded? I'm using a script to name

[OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions

2009-12-01 Thread arno
Hi, I was told today by a bicycle commuter that openstreemap is interesting but unsuccessful because opencyclemap is wrong. His point was: opencyclemap show the directions for cars but not for cyclists: in his city, there are a lot of streets where car can only go one way, but cyclists can go

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis and --rii

2009-12-01 Thread Jeremy Adams
Hi, Jeremy Adams wrote: I'm using osmosis to download replicate diffs via the --rii task and write them out to change files using --wxc. Is there any way to have osmosis name the output file with the sequence ID or timestamp of the last replicate it downloaded? I'm using a script to name

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
Cartinus wrote: On Tuesday 01 December 2009 00:20:20 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is a proposal for it since March 2007, you can simply find it by typing causeway in search. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Causeway That page says: Status: Abandoned That search shows you

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
Liz wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Cartinus wrote: Where do you get the idea that a causeway is periodically inundated from? When it is an Australian causeway in a dry creek bed. That would not be a causeway in US English. Is the byway running along the creek or just crossing it (what we in Texas

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
OJ W wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com Edit the coastline so that it joins the islands instead of separating them but won't this operation make one island instead of 2 that they are? cheers,

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis and --rii

2009-12-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jeremy Adams wrote: That's my plan B. I'm not a superstar when it comes to bash, so I'll have to do some research on how to read the state.txt file and pull the sequence number out. SEQUENCE=`grep sequenceNumber state.txt|cut -d= -f2` mv osmosis-out.osc $SEQUENCE.osc Bye Frederik --

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis and --rii

2009-12-01 Thread Jeremy Adams
Jeremy Adams wrote: That's my plan B. I'm not a superstar when it comes to bash, so I'll have to do some research on how to read the state.txt file and pull the sequence number out. SEQUENCE=`grep sequenceNumber state.txt|cut -d= -f2` mv osmosis-out.osc $SEQUENCE.osc Bye Frederik

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmarender layer not working

2009-12-01 Thread Ciprian Talaba
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Just thought I'd ask - the Osmarender layer isn't displaying for me, as of the last 24 hours or so, maybe more. I just get a white page that keeps trying to load... It's working just fine for me. --Ciprian

Re: [OSM-talk] Good routing vs legal routing (was: Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...)

2009-12-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org And then both axes are not really boolean. Between the physically possible and the physically impossible may lie an area that requires more skill, better vehicles

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Liz
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Randy wrote: Liz wrote: On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Cartinus wrote: Where do you get the idea that a causeway is periodically inundated from? When it is an Australian causeway in a dry creek bed. That would not be a causeway in US English. Is the byway running along the creek

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread John F. Eldredge
Yes, US English would also call that a ford. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Liz ed...@billiau.net Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:12:49 To:

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Liz
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: With apologies for ASCII art. Cars go from A to B, or from C to D, but they can't turn. It's controlled by traffic lights. So, do I create the junction represented by the +, or just let them cross over? If I create the junction, how do I stop routing

[OSM-talk] Vegetation page

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
I think I might write up some cross-cutting wiki pages like vegetation, pointing people in the right directions for the subtle distinctions between natural= and landuse= etc. Ok, I did it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vegetation Lots of common bush/tree words link there. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-junctioning crossing roads

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Swap back to your pushbike, or your legs only, mentally. On foot you can definitely and legally turn left or right. So its a valid junction for pedestrian routing. Ah yes, that's a very valid point. Queens Rd is a horrible road

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Stephen Hope
I think this is a case where the different versions of English are not quite the same. To me: A ford is a crossing that is usually underwater all the time. However the water is shallow enough that you can cross anyway, just expect to get a bit wet. It may be dry if the whole river dries up, or

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
IMHO, the US English/Australian English issue here is spurious. Australians certainly understand and use the word ford to mean a low water crossing. We also use the word causeway to mean an embankment with a road on top of it. We sometimes also use the word causeway to mean a ford (particularly

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread John Smith
2009/12/2 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: IMHO, the US English/Australian English issue here is spurious. Australians certainly understand and use the word ford to mean a low water crossing. I disagree, I've only ever heard them refered to as causeways and fords up until I started mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: we have persistent trouble with the eurocentric view of the world projected by OSM so when they are arguing about various terms, its important to let them know that UK English ain't what we use Be grateful it's UK english and

Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: no no no a causeway need not have a road the devil's causeway in eire and all the rest of those examples This? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway Looks like natural=coastline to me! Again, are you not confusing the

[OSM-talk] Halcyon/MapCSS question

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
How do you make a style that depends on two attributes? Eg, highway=residential *and* cycleway=lane? I know that this works: way[highway=residentia] { ... } way[cycleway=lane] { ... } And the two will be combined, if that makes sense. But how do you make the style depend on that specific

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - causeway

2009-12-01 Thread Randy
I have totally renovated the 2007 proposal for a causeway tag and placed it in Proposal status. Comments are encouraged. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Causeway -- Randy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[talk-au] What to tag Rays Lane?

2009-12-01 Thread cam_daw
Was doing a survey around the outskirts of Thirlmere (a small town in NSW), and came across a difficult road to survey and tag. It's called Rays Lane http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.15725lon=150.56322zoom=16layers=B000FTF It has 6 gates, 3 of which are usually closed - to help control any

Re: [talk-au] What to tag Rays Lane?

2009-12-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Also, what's the best thing to do when you've discovered that 2 ends of the same road have slightly different spellings on their physical road signs? Heh, I've seen that in Canberra. There's a street called Bolderwood/Boldrewood St.

Re: [talk-au] What to tag Rays Lane?

2009-12-01 Thread John Smith
2009/12/1 cam_...@fastmail.fm: I've tagged that section of road that's overgrown as being: disused = yes I would tag that highway=disused, since this is more consistent with railway=disused etc. Also, what's the best thing to do when you've discovered that 2 ends of the same road have

Re: [talk-au] What to tag Rays Lane?

2009-12-01 Thread John Henderson
cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Also, what's the best thing to do when you've discovered that 2 ends of the same road have slightly different spellings on their physical road signs? I've tried to tag the road as best I can http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/45369647 Do you think it'd be

Re: [talk-au] More NearMap Sydney imagery...

2009-12-01 Thread Jonathan Trott
On 28/11/2009, at 19:04, Roy Wallace wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: And what about JOSM? So far I've just been using Potlatch because it just works. What do I have to do to get Nearmap going in JOSM? As Leon said, first go to

Re: [talk-au] What to tag Rays Lane?

2009-12-01 Thread John Henderson
Liz wrote: I never noticed that anyone had changed Garry Owen that I had put in - I know I'd tagged the road and ignored it from there. It's a small world :) John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida sobre o OSM

2009-12-01 Thread Arlindo Pereira
Fernando, uma coisa importante a se ressaltar é que a licença do OpenStreetMap é aberta, mas os dados utilizados na confecção dos mapas também devem ser. Por este motivo, não é possível utilizar dados do Google Maps nem de sites que utilizem o Google Maps para obter seus dados (por exemplo

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida sobre rótula

2009-12-01 Thread Ricardo Padilha
Oi, Você fez de maneira correta. O problema é que a restrição de conversão é bastante complicada de fazer corretamente e eu não tenho certeza que os softwares de cálculo de rota atuais utilizam as restrições corretamente. Se não me engano o novo mapzen deveria facilitar a criação de restrições.

Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 15, assunto 2

2009-12-01 Thread Fernando Caldas
Bráulio e Arlindo, talvez não tenha sido muito claro em minhas idéias. O que cogitei foi o uso de ferramenta para correção de mapas, no caso desta http://www.caxiasdigital.com.br/mapas/tools/achaendereco.html Na realidade nem sei se serviria. No caso de transporte público e focos de dengue,

Re: [Talk-br] Dúvida sobre rótula

2009-12-01 Thread Rodrigo Avila
Obrigado Flavio. Vou testar. -- Rodrigo de Avila Analista de Desenvolvimento +55 51 9733.3488 • rodr...@avila.net.br • www.avila.net.br 2009/12/1 Flavio Bello Fialho be...@cnpuv.embrapa.br Rodrigo, Coloquei as restrições nos dois pontos problemáticos da junção, conforme as orientações em:

Re: [Talk-de] Navigationsprobleme an (Kleeblatt)-Autobahnkreuzen

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Simon
Am 30. November 2009 13:24 schrieb marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:04:06 +0100, Ana Luisa Paldos Garcia analuisapaldosgar...@googlemail.com wrote: Die Frage nun .. was tun: 1) davon ausgehen, dass das Problem bei der Navigationssoftware liegt und auch dort gelöst wird

Re: [Talk-de] Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben

2009-12-01 Thread Markus
Liebe Kenner der Materie, Nachdem meine Anfrage nun seit Monaten Kreise zieht, habe ich mal den Betreff geändert und ein konkretes Ziel formuliert: *Wie kann ein Anwender die Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben* Mit sinnvoll meine ich: - als Werbung für OSM - informativ - verständlich - unserer

Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik - living streets

2009-12-01 Thread Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Dienstag 01 Dezember 2009 03:45:58 schrieb Mirko Küster: Am Dienstag 01 Dezember 2009 03:11 schrieb Wolfgang: Wer interpretiert da wo und wie? Ist mir noch nirgends untergekommen das da einer Breite über alles eingetragen hätte, schon garnicht absurderweise zwischen

Re: [Talk-de] Navigationsprobleme an (Kleeblatt)-Autobahnkreuzen

2009-12-01 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:39:44 +0100, Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com wrote: 2) die parallelen Verbindungsstücke nur als motorway_link taggen ohne jegliche Autobahnzurodnung (ohne ref-tag), damit das Navi einen Abbiegevorgang erkennt. Entweder kein Ref-Tag oder das der Autobahn auf die der

Re: [Talk-de] Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben

2009-12-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Markus wrote: *Wie kann ein Anwender die Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben* Im englischen FAQ gibt es dazu einen Eintrag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F Die deutsche Version dieser Seite

Re: [Talk-de] Navigationsprobleme an (Kleeblatt)-Autobahnkreuzen

2009-12-01 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Martin Simon schrieb: Zu guter letzt verstehe ich das Problem nicht so ganz, ich erhalte mit meinen Karten immer rechts halten auf ... - Meldungen an diesen Stellen. In mkgmap gibt es aber auch eine Funktion, die das Navi glauben lässt, der Abbiegewinkel sei größer, was solche Probleme

Re: [Talk-de] Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben

2009-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 1. Dezember 2009 10:24 schrieb Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de: Beispiele für solche Anwendungsfälle: _Screenshot und Permalink zur Karte_ Jeder darf aus der OSM-Webite einen Screenshot von der Karte machen, diesen als Bild auf seine Website stellen, und das Bild direkt mit einem Permalink

Re: [Talk-de] Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben

2009-12-01 Thread Florian Gross
Am Di Dezember 1 2009 glaubte Markus zu wissen: Ich füge es unten mal an - vielleicht hilft es ja als Grundlage für: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/de:Datenherkunft_richtig_angeben Ich hab mal die Diskussion eröffnet: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE_talk:Datenherkunft_richtig_angeben

Re: [Talk-de] Navigationsprobleme an (Kleeblatt)-Autobahnkreuzen

2009-12-01 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo Marcus. Am Dienstag 01 Dezember 2009 10:59:40 schrieb marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com: Das erste Stück führt aus der Autobahn heraus = Ref der anderen Autobahn. Das mittlere Stück führt in die Gegenrichtung der anderen Autobahn und von der Hin-Richtung der anderen in die eigene Autobahn

Re: [Talk-de] Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben

2009-12-01 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 01 Dezember 2009 11:39:14 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Im Wiki steht auch bereits jetzt klar, welchen Hinweis man dazupacken muss Hast du für diese sehr gewagte Behauptung einen Beweis? Ich habe selbst nichts gefunden und Frederik weist auch darauf hin, dass dies nur auf der

Re: [Talk-de] Datenherkunft sinnvoll angeben

2009-12-01 Thread Florian Gross
Am Di Dezember 1 2009 glaubte Martin Koppenhoefer zu wissen: Vorneweg: Sorry, aber deine Art zu quoten ist furchtbar. Nimm es mir nicht übel, aber bei deinen mails finde ich einiges erst, wenn ich mit der mail vergleiche, auf die du geantwortet hast. Wenn du deinen Text schreibst, acht doch

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