Re: [OSM-talk] Removing redundant routing instructions

2015-04-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com writes: I'm not sure I get your point about hint for router versus aid for navigation. I suspect this may stem from the don't tag for the renderer rule. If we look at the end use case the aim is to get a routing engine that provides an optimal route

Re: [Talk-us] Boundaries and verifiability (was Re: Retagging hamlets in the US)

2015-04-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org writes: On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: If you're lucky, you can find an Ohio city limit's legal definition in county commissioners' minutes when an annexation is proposed. The most authoritative data

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Importing Tesla Superchargers

2015-04-12 Thread Greg Troxel
Charles Samuels o...@charles.derkarl.org writes: On Sunday, April 12, 2015 01:12:12 AM Andy Allan wrote: Right now, if a tag doesn't match with supercharge.info, I overwrite OSM's. Could you explain this a bit further? For example, if supercharge.info has capacity 6, and I correct this

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Greg Troxel
I don't have time to wade into the controversy, but +1 to Russ's comments. Old railroad grades really are features. The USGS shows them on topos, and they're often really obvious. More seriously, a wave of deletionism is really bad for the project in terms of morale. Doing more than a

Re: [OSM-talk] Mechanically Cleaning Up FIXME Tags

2015-02-27 Thread Greg Troxel
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com writes: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:10 AM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 25/02/2015 05:00, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Any fixme in wide use I'm not interested in deleting. I'd strongly oppose the mechanical deletion of low volume fixme values.

Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes

2015-02-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com writes: 6) Lazy Requests to do cleanup that the note writer did not want to do themselves. That's unnecessarily perjorative. I've seen a number of notes around me that could be characterized that way, and I've entered a number myself. I view it as a public

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com writes: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: I think this is a good example of where notes are the way to go. A badly positioned node is only likely to be spotted by a mapper who is specifically interested in bike

Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] amenity=bicycle_repair_station :::: only 18 so far

2015-01-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com writes: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: Also, if a tag isn't rendered in the default mapnik view, then those elements are unlikely to be cleaned up (absent a special render for a community of interest, which the cyclemap

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-11 Thread Greg Troxel
(I'm writing from the perspective of having driven Route 6 from the sagamore bridge to north eastham every summer for many years, and to Provincetown a few years ago.) If we're talking about where Route 6 goes from 2 lanes each direction with a real median down to one lane in each direction with

Re: [OSM-talk] Element on OSM which don't exist in real life

2013-12-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: Hi Same but different for the Kettleman Station node, this has been imported 5 years ago from a GNIS data set and deserves no more respect than the rest - if there's nobody living there then it's likely not a hamlet. It's true that it's not hamlet.

Re: [OSM-talk] Element on OSM which don't exist in real life

2013-12-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: there is some bad data in the GNIS import. when i encounter obviously bogus objects from the GNIS import, i just delete them. just the other day i deleted a GNIS object which suggested someone had a heliport in their back yard a little south of

Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US: CDPs

2013-11-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Norman penor...@mac.com writes: From: Richard Welty [mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US: CDPs the latter, i think. there are parts of the US where the CDP boundaries do contribute to the map. I think there's two different cases that need to

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

2013-11-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.com writes: It's the other way around, really. We're adjusting our routing logic to adapt to OSM. Referring to the wiki, a service road is 'Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.'

Re: [Talk-us] Admin borders in the US: CDPs

2013-11-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: first of all, CDPs. there's been an ongoing discussion about whether they belong in OSM at all, or whether they deserve their admin_level 8 classification. i have mixed feelings about the first, and am pretty sure we need a new way of classifying

Re: [Talk-us] Ferries

2013-11-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.com writes: It turns out that this happens because some of the access roads to these ferries are tagged as highway=service, sometimes service=driveway. For various reasons we don't want to route folks through service roads, so this poses a challenge. Here's

Re: [OSM-talk] Living with 'improvements'

2013-09-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk writes: Lester Caine wrote: Basically - does anybody have a smartphone option that correctly and safely handles UK motorways and trunk roads? Well I'm seeing some feedback off-list, and there have been a few steps forward, but The one thing I have finally

Re: [Talk-us] osm data on boston.com, perhaps, definitely not atttributed

2013-08-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com writes: http://www.boston.com/yourtown/specials/truck_crashes_storrow_memorial_drive/ The data looks like osm, and zooming in near Kendall Square and MGH certainly makes it look like OSM. Compare page 3 with: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/42.36197

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

2013-08-25 Thread Greg Troxel
Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com writes: Track is used more and more for unpaved roads. Mapnik and other renderers are probably a big reason, because they don't render Surfacehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Surfaceand Smoothness http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness tags. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

2013-08-25 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: BTW osrm.at is helping in this campaign, because it doesn't route through tracks BTW I just discover that some people are tagging for routing (after tagging for the renderer). They add

Re: [OSM-talk] Dirt Roads in Mapnik, default render in OSM

2013-08-25 Thread Greg Troxel
John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com writes: So, how would you classify a one-lane road leading through a former field, now overgrown with 30 years or so of bushes and saplings, leading to a billboard adjoining a motorway? The only improvements the road receives is to be mowed periodically

Re: [OSM-talk] Endorsing properietary social platforms

2013-08-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com writes: Switching focus to iD: there would be list of post edit notification plugins one could drag into place. Facebook, Twitter and G+ would be among those, along with whatever open source version you happen to track down or create. Anyone not wanting to

Re: [Talk-us] jobs discussion appropriate?

2013-08-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net writes: one notable omission from the list of openstreetmap mailing lists is something like jobs or talk-jobs. other communities have such lists. is this something worth trying to get set up? i suspect that jobs/consulting discussion would seem out of

Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page

2013-07-29 Thread Greg Troxel
John Firebaugh john.fireba...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address I believe that persisting the location and zoom in the URL

[OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page

2013-07-28 Thread Greg Troxel
I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited. (Moving the

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a super-two highway (trunk or motorway?)

2013-07-25 Thread Greg Troxel
[catching up; sorry if this is really redundant] Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com writes: A true super two freeway, with no at-grade intersections whatsoever, would be properly classified as a motorway under global OSM tagging conventions. These may not be particularly common in the U.S.

Re: [Talk-us] USBRs as ncns in OCM

2013-07-03 Thread Greg Troxel
That's great to hear - thanks for slogging through fixing all the bugs and obtaining more acccurate data! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Again, I'm still not hearing a suggestion that would keep this valuable information in OSM, or a compelling reason not to keep it. It's not clear that it's valuable. If you want to propose a scheme for desired corridors by only-slightly-authoritative

Re: [OSM-talk] Re-opening a note if necessary?

2013-06-11 Thread Greg Troxel
colliar colliar4e...@aol.com writes: On 09.06.2013 20:33, John F. Eldredge wrote: I agree that it should be possible to update notes after the fact. malenki o...@malenki.ch wrote: On 08.06.2013 22:22, James Mast wrote: I'm curious, but does anybody think that notes should

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-07 Thread Greg Troxel
stevea stevea...@softworkers.com writes: To breathe a little fresh air into this discussion (and perhaps pour a little oil on troubled waters): I have enjoyed in the last few hours some email exchanges with both Kerry and Paul. In short, Kerry and I are discussing how it is inappropriate

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: An argument *against* having proposed routes is the verifiability - we usually try to have data where someone on the ground could easily check the correctness by looking at signs. Since proposed routes are unlikely to be signposted, having them in

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Thomas Colson thomas_col...@nps.gov writes: I'm confused: is the issue tagging a bike route with some sort of official number when it really doesn’t have one, The current discussion is about tagging a proposed bike route with a number in USBR namespace, when the USBR naming authority has not

Re: [Talk-us] Take another look at notes!

2013-06-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Thanks for pointing out the craigslist/notes connection. A minor UI comment: I added a note about something that I know needs fixing, just to see what it was like. I didn't realize that one had to move the marker before clicking 'add', and the text box started out over the area where the

Re: [Talk-us] Admin boundary level quirk in NYC

2013-05-18 Thread Greg Troxel
So I propose a different schema: New York Boroughs: 9 Cities (incl. NYC): 8 Counties: 6 and have separate relations for the counties and boroughs (e.g. Brooklyn and Kings County), sharing the same ways. Your proposal sounds entirely reasonable to me. The notion that cities are

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-12 Thread Greg Troxel
I do agree with Mike Thompson's statement: If neither of the two tags being discussed (landuse=forest, natural=wood) are appropriate for tagging a generic area covered by trees (regardless if it is virgin, managed), it would be really helpful to have a tag that could be used for this

Re: [Talk-us] misuse of the landuse=forest tag for national forests

2013-05-11 Thread Greg Troxel
Torsten Karzig torsten.kar...@web.de writes: a forest. [The parts of the Angeles National forest that I have seen so far are dominated by scrub] For me using the landuse=forest tag in this case seems to contradict the fact that landuse=forest is supposed to describe woodland. Not quite;

Re: [Talk-us] highway=primary, area=yes, leisure=recreation_ground?

2013-05-10 Thread Greg Troxel
Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us writes: On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29696644 What gives? Looks like an undesired / undesirable side effect of a MassGIS import. Requires further investigation? Doesn't look

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route network levels: East Coast Greenway

2013-05-08 Thread Greg Troxel
James Umbanhowar jumba...@gmail.com writes: The question is what network level should it, if at all, be tagged. Currently, there are three network levels, local/regional/national that have been used. In other countries, these apply to different levels of government that officially sanction

Re: [OSM-talk] Out of Service Roads

2013-03-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/3/30 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de Define long-term. I think you can't define this on a global level, it depends heavily on the local activity whether it makes sense to enter a mid-term interruption into OSM or ignore it. Agreed that

Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

2013-03-10 Thread Greg Troxel
I think Kerry's concern is about proposed routes being in the OSM db (and renders) when no such proposed routes exist. Taking a line from wikipedia (which I realize is tricky business), we shouldn't be doing original research in determining things, but rather documenting things that exist. If

Re: [Talk-us] Park Boundary tagging

2013-03-03 Thread Greg Troxel
I'm not sure it's useful to continue, but (ignoring wiki and existing practice) I think of a boundary as closed line, not as an area. Yes, you can talk about inside and outside, but really that's it. The notion of all land inside this closed way has this property is distinct from this line is a

Re: [Talk-us] Park Boundary tagging

2013-03-03 Thread Greg Troxel
It might be useful to look at existing GIS practice to see how boundary objects are treated in terms of being LINESTRING vs POLYGON (thanks Paul for reminding us of OGC simple features defined terminology). But, I suspect that the GIS world has a layer and a text description of it, and that has

Re: [Talk-us] Park Boundary tagging

2013-03-03 Thread Greg Troxel
stevea stevea...@softworkers.com writes: So, a better direction for this thread to continue might be for it to examine and discuss the syntax of park tagging. What might be an ideal tagging today (for various park entities upon which we agree have a standardized semantic understanding),

Re: [Talk-us] Park Boundary tagging

2013-03-02 Thread Greg Troxel
stevea stevea...@softworkers.com writes: Each of those seven values for key boundary is documented to be of element area (with the exception of boundary=user defined, where it is given greater freedom to be assigned to primitives of points and open polylines). So for Greg to assert that if

Re: [Talk-us] Wilderness Data

2013-03-01 Thread Greg Troxel
stevea stevea...@softworkers.com writes: However, the tag boundary=national_park is confused, as it is widely overused, especially on STATE parks. Arguments are valid either way whether to include or exclude it on State Parks. The reason appears to be that boundary=national_park is

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data next steps

2013-02-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Brian May b...@mapwise.com writes: I also think we need a little bit more sophisticated Data Catalog than a google spreadsheet. Email and a wiki page sounds good to me for coordination. Maybe we can bring it up in a Mappy Hour as well. And if there's enough of a need, we could do a

Re: [Talk-us] Possible coping from Google Maps

2013-02-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com writes: On Feb 21, 2013 1:19 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: The user who added the interchange has no GPS traces listed for his account. They could have been using someone else's traces in JOSM/Potlatch - you'd have to load everyone's

Re: [OSM-talk] advice for getting a newer Garmin nüvi car navigation device?

2013-02-14 Thread Greg Troxel
Andreas Reuleaux reule...@web.de writes: OK, thanks a lot. I am beginning to understand. But does that mean, the nüvi 40, although it is the cheapest model, is the newest one? I believe the 40/50 are the newest. LM stands for lifetime maps, T for traffic - right? Yes. ...which would

Re: [OSM-talk] advice for getting a newer Garmin nüvi car navigation device?

2013-02-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Andreas Reuleaux reule...@web.de writes: I am about to get a newer Garmin nvi model for car navigation, and want to use OSM maps with it. I found several web pages, which suggest that in general OSM maps on a nvi should not be any problem, but the models listed on

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] Wiki documentation on GPS devices - please help answer some questions

2013-02-04 Thread Greg Troxel
Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com writes: I would also add that the section on PDOP is rather technical for a newbie. Perhaps this could be moved to a separate wiki page and the answer to the question changed to be more general. If your GPS has a display then this is more likely to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our buildings

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com writes: Why do you want to see outlines autogenerated from aerial imagery, you could just look at the aerial imagery? That's not true. For example, when converting to garmin format, buildings render with very few bits, and let you know developed vs

Re: [OSM-talk] Simple improvement(s) to openstreetmap.org

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com writes: On 08/01/2013 21:31, Rovastar wrote: My idea is simple can someone add modern social media networks logos/links to the home page. As a member of the OSMF Communications Working Group (CWG), I have perhaps the greatest level of involvement in

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: On 01/09/2013 03:24 AM, Minh Nguyen wrote: While filling in townships in the Greater Cincinnati area, I've also been working on TIGER's rather artful interpretation of the area's municipal boundaries, motivated by the Mapnik style's prominent

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone ever talked about adding more Land Ownership data to OSM?

2013-01-08 Thread Greg Troxel
Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com writes: I think it would be great to make more tools support more external data sets as opposed to dumping *everything* into OSM. You want county borders on your garmin? Check a box while creating the file and mkgmap downloads the most recent county borders

Re: [OSM-talk] New History tab for openstreetmap.org (beta)

2013-01-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Paweł Paprota ppa...@fastmail.fm writes: Hi Julien, Could it be possible to integrate the user classification visible here ( http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc) by example by adding the same coloured man icon on the right of OSM User link. IMHO it could be very usefull to know if an edit

Re: [OSM-talk] Multi tag rendering (Was Rendering of Farmland not 'Light' enough?)

2013-01-06 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com writes: 2013/1/6 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com: On 06/01/2013 16:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: The problem is with the mapper mixing up linear and polygon features on the same osm object. I completely disagree with this. He mapped it accurately

Re: [OSM-talk] Can Google use our data?

2013-01-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr writes: 2013/1/5 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: I suppose the obvious question is: what was -your- source for the building outlines? It is a fair assumption that google is simply using the same. It is even more obvious that it is not a plain copy of OSM

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote: And as Phil said, sometimes it doesn't make sense to follow the parcel lines exactly, such as if the parcel boundary extends into a road and it makes more sense to draw the boundary

Re: [Talk-us] parcel data in OSM

2012-12-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Nathan Mixter nmix...@gmail.com writes: For instance an open space parcel probably isn't that useful because it is not represented in OSM. It could be broken up into meadow, wood, scrub, forest, etc. Jason and I are using 'open space' to mean land that is protected from development with some

Re: [Talk-us] identifying TIGER deserts

2012-12-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com writes: Michal Migurski writes: Also, what's the deal with the Massachusetts TIGER import? Massachusetts had already made an improved version of the TIGER data, so the decision was made to import that instead. I'm not sure it's a version of the TIGER data,

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20

2012-12-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Or if you'd like to join, and Google+ is a problem, please drop me a line. I object to the use of google anything. That requires people to agree to their privacy policies in order to participate in OSM, and I think OSM should have a policy against such requirement or encouragement. (That

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Large Edit Committee Meeting 12/20

2012-12-18 Thread Greg Troxel
Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com writes: Hi Greg, That's an interesting point. What alternatives would you suggest for virtual meetings? KD I do not know of alternatives. In open source groups I participate in, it's email and IRC. At work, we pay for phone bridges (audio

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Imports in Riley county, KS

2012-12-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Based on reaction to the mass buildings import (perceived as way too fast, and I agree), I would suggest that you have a 2 week review period From the latest time that there is either - a change in the processing script - new data being available - a substantive change in the procedure I

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Greg Troxel
The result is that folks like myself and others are frustrated by the import process, and folks who have good, useful datasets are frstrated by the import process. [import/mechanical-edit committee proposal] I agree with your broad sentiments. Having observed some recent discussion, I

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - process

2012-12-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org writes: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: 2. If you cannot be bothered to fix problems then why should others be? What is your plan for growing the community to a point where it can maintain the data you plan to dump onto

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - process

2012-12-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org writes: Paul - I've added a few comments and questions about changeset size and revert policies on the Import Guidelines Plan Outline wiki pages. Are there any recommended changeset size limits and/or revert plan practices? Tools support for reverting is a fair

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import Start

2012-12-13 Thread Greg Troxel
I have few meta comments and then actual comments. Meta: In this case, the discussion has been entirely reasonable. But, in general, I feel there's an unwarranted hostility to imports. I think this comes from fear (often justified) that people who don't care about following community norms

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - merge

2012-12-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I would like to start a new thread to talk about merging building data. My town Groton has mostly hand drawn buildings from bing. Like was suggested previously, dumping them all and replacing them with the MassGIS buildings would be a

Re: [Talk-us] MassGIS Building Import - user account

2012-12-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com writes: I would like start a new thread, to talk about the user account situation for the import, but no policy discussion please! Given that this is a distributed/community import, we will simply ask each user to make their own import account and

Re: [Talk-us] Massachusetts addresses/tiger addresses

2012-12-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com writes: I am not sure if anybody is actually working on importing the tiger address ranges or not. Just in case somebody is ... The Massachusetts mapping department (MassGIS) just this week released data for all of the buildings in the state!

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

2012-11-28 Thread Greg Troxel
MassGIS has parcel data available in a license-ok manner, and I have been thinking about it, but not getting to it. An idea is to have a common schema or schemas for non-imported parcel data in osm format. Then people can write converters for their state/whatever and publish the data, and

Re: [Talk-us] US Addressing

2012-11-28 Thread Greg Troxel
the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com writes: If it is feasible to have a (mostly) unified parcel schema, a MapRoulette challenge can be created to task the conversion work to the community. I was thinking about just having a node with an address which is the centroid of the parcel, and

Re: [OSM-talk] What to call OSM data?

2012-11-26 Thread Greg Troxel
Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com writes: Hi All, So I met with a group looking to link OSM data to other data. Meaning have a link that says this village in OSM is equivalent to this village in these 3 other datasets. Part of this process involves having metadata for everything. The people

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska CPD boundaries

2012-11-26 Thread Greg Troxel
The census bureau divided the unorganized borough into 11 census areas. These have no legal significance but serve to sub-divided the state into convenient parts. In spite of this they are in many ways like counties. I've tagged them the same as counties (admin_level=6) but I'm not

Re: [OSM-talk] fences, trees and houses

2012-11-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Robin Paulson ro...@bumblepuppy.org writes: i've done some quite detailed editing near where i live, i'd appreciate anyone who is interested taking a look and responding. i'm not sure what to make of the result. for one, my partner, a non-mapper, has told me she finds it very confusing,

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-11-02 Thread Greg Troxel
First, I think Martijn's points have all been right on. 1) I don't think it is a good idea to come up with a code of conduct as a response to particular cases. When there's an actual dispute on the table that might be addressed by an as yet imaginary code, we are in reactionary mode and

Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

2012-10-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Given what I've observed and heard about from other mappers, I am not particularly surprised to hear that the DWG has been getting complaints (although I have not filed a complaint myself). I think it's helpful to talk about the general problem, separately from any identities. My impression is

[OSM-talk] OSM being used by Boston Globe (US)

2012-10-30 Thread Greg Troxel
I noticed this morning a map on boston.com (which is part of the Globe, it seems): http://www.boston.com/news/weather/specials/hurricane_sandy_reports_mapped/ The map data looked like it was from nOSM, but there was no attribution (only that it used leaflet), so I wondered. I sent a note to

Re: [Talk-us] US chapter board meeting

2012-10-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org writes: The newly elected US Chapter board will have its first official meeting tonight at 5PM PDT / 8PM EDT. We're going to try a Google Hangout. Everyone is welcome to listen in! https://plus.google.com/events/c91rctgp4ia8cq3ffqo914lvvus (I'm not a member,

Re: [Talk-us] Burlington, Vermont road classification

2012-10-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Primary highways generally lack stop signs; however, stop signs may control major intersections in rural areas with low traffic volumes and occur rarely elsewhere. The most notable example of this is North Willard Street[2]. It is part of US Route 7, but as can be seen with Bing

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines proposal update

2012-09-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Pieren pier...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Since you[1] are trying to revise guidelines that are found to be acceptable across the community Could you provide evidences about this ? Since the vast majority of the community

Re: [Talk-us] Schizophrenic highway

2012-09-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net writes: At 2012-09-15 16:05, Greg Troxel wrote: Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com writes: I'm working on US 50 near Trenton, Ill. Here's the location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=38.61248lon=-89.68529zoom=16 It looks

Re: [Talk-us] Schizophrenic highway

2012-09-15 Thread Greg Troxel
Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com writes: I'm working on US 50 near Trenton, Ill. Here's the location: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=38.61248lon=-89.68529zoom=16 It looks like, at one point there were plans to turn this into a motorway. In two spots in a 25-mile

Re: [Talk-us] Another random road reclassification

2012-08-17 Thread Greg Troxel
Phil! Gold phi...@pobox.com writes: * Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com [2012-08-14 23:26 -0500]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.117lon=-94.8924zoom=14layers=M I know there is some disagreement about road classification, especially when it comes to trunk but I'm pretty sure most

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-31 Thread Greg Troxel
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) calvin.metc...@state.ma.us wrote: So I'm somewhat confused about how nominatim actually works. A good example is the building I work in (10 park plaza Boston ma) the version of nominitum on

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-30 Thread Greg Troxel
10, Park Plaza, Central Square, Bay Village, Middlesex, Massachusetts, 02116, United States of America. http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=21777524 The Central Square, Bay Village and Middlesex are what are confusing me as they look to be points and I'm not sure

Re: [Talk-us] administrative boundaries and Nominatim

2012-07-30 Thread Greg Troxel
Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) calvin.metc...@state.ma.us writes: So basically if we see nodes like that, get rid of them? No, I think it's: If there's a node for the place, it's progress to replace it with a polygon. Not Just delete place nodes pgpaHaOu9jRqT.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Talk-us] National Park boundaries

2012-07-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org writes: Hi, On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Perhaps add a us: prefix to the value? boundary=us:national_historic_site boundary=us:national_historic_park boundary=us:national_forest I like that idea, in spite of the

Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US

2012-07-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: I agree 100%. I have a good bit of data from New York State on trails that is surely incomplete and imperfect but better than anything we have in OSM. I've not uploaded any of it because I've not convinced myself that it's doing no harm. But most of

Re: [Talk-us] National Park boundaries

2012-07-22 Thread Greg Troxel
a search for 'Golden Spike' yields nada. I was about to draw a boundary=national_park[3] around it with a name tag, so it would be a little easier to find. But it turns out the NPS has a boundary shapefile for all National Parks, Historic Sites, Rivers, Parkways, Lakeshores and more

Re: [Talk-us] NHD import: what data quality is acceptable?

2012-07-22 Thread Greg Troxel
Kevin Kenny kken...@nycap.rr.com writes: A few months ago, I tried to get started on trying to resume the NHD import in my area - and some of the places where I hike. I'm trying to check results with both P2 and JOSM, and tripping over a lot of things, which made me put the project back on

Re: [Talk-us] Starting OSM Trail Map Initiative In US

2012-07-20 Thread Greg Troxel
Fred Gifford fred.giff...@gmail.com writes: I am starting the process of pulling together a group to focus on updating and expanding trail data in OSM. The initial focus would be in the US but we are hoping the model could expand to other areas as well. You should first assess how things

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Greg Troxel
I think it's important to separate there's a way in the db and there's a line on some render. Personally, I want to see old railway lines on the map. I find there's almost always evidence along the line, but not always at some point. So I think we need tags that are more like the USGS maps,

Re: [OSM-talk] TomTom is thumping us

2012-05-30 Thread Greg Troxel
John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest, if a road has no classification, and is made of mud and gravel, it's a track... The ones I reclassified typically had two wheel-tracks of soil-colour and grass

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, etc. Points or outlines

2012-04-24 Thread Greg Troxel
Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com writes: In doing the remap in LA, I've run across parks, some schools and other map features that are marked with both points and outlines. For La Cienega Park, the park is outlined, coded park and named. There also is a point for La Cienega

Re: [OSM-talk] Old Server planet is up

2012-04-03 Thread Greg Troxel
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-120401.osm.bz2.md5 Is that going to be torrented? I would think many people want a copy... pgpIVnbkpUs0J.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Critical Mass for license change-over

2012-01-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: Hi, On 01/28/2012 05:59 AM, Michal Migurski wrote: Keeping in mind that I am in support of the license switch, I think it's completely reasonable to expect a technical plan for a switch just 60 days in the future. You talk about reasonable - I

Re: [OSM-talk] Vista eTrex 10,20,30 series

2011-12-20 Thread Greg Troxel
A common method of photo surveying in OSM is to take a picture of the GPS while it displays the GPS Satellite time. On the eTrex 30, I can only display the time to the nearest minute. Has anyone found a screen to display the seconds? If not, it is useless as a reference time

Re: [OSM-talk] USGS Topo maps

2011-11-28 Thread Greg Troxel
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com writes: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Ian ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: FYI: Most of the information present on USGS Topo Maps should already be present on the map due to an import of the GNIS dataset a couple years ago. And fixing that import so that the GNIS

Re: [OSM-talk] GNIS quality improvement, was: USGS Topo maps

2011-11-28 Thread Greg Troxel
On that matter -- I've been working on an idea for a GNIS microtasking platform. What it would do is: * Show a random non-improved GNIS point in your neighborhood - name + map * Allow you to 1) drag the point to the correct location, 2) flag it as no longer existing or 3) flag

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] boundary import Update

2011-10-22 Thread Greg Troxel
I think the nuke/replace notion is sensible. So I would suggest that you put up (github seems fine, doesn't really matter as long as it's broadly accessible) several things: a pointer to the massgis data, and maybe a copy exact recipe for going from that to the .osm to upload (as scripts

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