On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Norbert Hoffmann
nhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big
discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up
again a few months later.
Perhaps this is because the
On 17/02/2009 10:36, Andy Allan wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Norbert Hoffmann
nhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big
discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up
again a few
Regarding http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/left_name
, Andy Allan wrote:
And nobody pays attention.
Probably as a result of there being no software support (because nobody
paid attention...), and because it's historically been a comparatively
rare use case. Though I'm
2009/2/17 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Norbert Hoffmann
nhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big
discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up
again a few
2009/2/16 Norbert Hoffmann nhoffm...@spamfence.net:
Andy Allan wrote:
And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big
discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up
again a few months later.
Perhaps this is because the concept leftright is so simple -
Dave Stubbs wrote:
The only way of avoiding this issue in some non-confusing way is to
not use tagging as the answer. Some complex relation with a this
side member which still needs editor support. Or just adding another
way to the database for each left/right feature, which becomes hard
Editor support is less
important
- and far easier to fix - than explaining to all the people who
don't
even realise that all roads have a direction in openstreetmap -
and
except for oneway roads, I have no idea which ways are pointing
in
which directions, and it shouldn't be important
On Tuesday, 17 February 2009 10:36:16 +,
Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Norbert Hoffmann
nhoffm...@spamfence.net wrote:
Andy Allan wrote:
And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big
discussion about it and then
Andy Allan wrote:
And nobody pays attention. The main problem is that two-way roads have
no inherent, real-world, direction - neither side of the road is the
right or the left. Or rather, both sides of the road are the right or
the left, depending on which way you are facing.
And that's why in
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Sent: 17 February 2009 11:10
To: Andy Allan
Cc: Norbert Hoffmann; talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside
features)
On 17/02/2009 10:36, Andy Allan wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009
Mike Harris wrote:
While sympathetic to the underlying need being discussed in this thread, I
suspect there is a further problem. Although a way has an intrinsic sense in
OSM, this is fairly volatile! All it needs is someone to reverse a way - and
this can happen rather easily, say, when
'; 'Norbert Hoffmann'
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] RFC :left/:right (asymmetrical roadside
features)
Mike Harris wrote:
While sympathetic to the underlying need being discussed in this
thread, I suspect there is a further problem. Although a way has an
intrinsic sense in OSM
Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists andrewc-email-lists at piffle.org writes:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/right_left
The proposal suggests an interpretation of suffixes like
property:left=value
property:right=value
I see one big trouble.
I see one big trouble. If not so clever editor (program or
human being) is
changing the direction of the road withour swapping left/right
keys, nobody can
correct the situation without local knowlegde of the area
mapped. Left or right
are not enough by themselves but there must be some
Regarding http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/right_left ,
Ed Loach wrote:
As I understand it (from last time this discussion cropped up here)
JOSM and Potlatch already handle the reversals of :left and :right
tags, which covers most users.
This is not the case with either
Mike Harris wrote:
Much encouraged that there is a coder (?)
Well, coder of a sort. It certainly would help if the suffixes were
generally well known, documented and consistent so that if something has
a :left on the end of it, software doing reversals knows that it should
flip it to a :right
This is not the case with either JOSM 1318 or JOSM 1418 (the
current
josm-latest.jar). I've tested with cycleway:left=track as well
as
foo:left=42. Probably this would need to be raised as a
separate bug if
people express general satisfaction.
Can't speak for Potla(t)ch, not tried.
I
This is not the case with either JOSM 1318 or JOSM 1418 (the
current
josm-latest.jar). I've tested with cycleway:left=track as well
as
foo:left=42. Probably this would need to be raised as a
separate bug if
people express general satisfaction.
Actually, I've now checked the source, and it
On Feb 17, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
Reversing the ways then, of course, reverses the 'left' and
'right' descriptors with their differing tags!
Well, of course. I would expect that all editors would rename right -
left and left - right when a way is reversed. Don't they do
Oneway is strange in that as well as yes/no you can have oneway=-1
for one way in the opposite direction of the way, and I still can't
work out why that is necessary.
Because none of the editors had a reverse way tool :-). I think JOSM
could reverse a segment, but that's was about it.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:45:00PM -, Ed Loach wrote:
Oneway is strange in that as well as yes/no you can have oneway=-1
for one way in the opposite direction of the way, and I still can't
work out why that is necessary.
It used to be the case that the renderers wrote the name of the
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 07:51:12PM +, Dave Stubbs wrote:
Oneway is strange in that as well as yes/no you can have oneway=-1
for one way in the opposite direction of the way, and I still can't
work out why that is necessary.
Because none of the editors had a reverse way tool :-). I
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists)
andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org wrote:
Further to Tobias's raising of :mode, :wet, :direction etc. for
pseudovoting, I'd like to raise a general method for tagging properties
of the two sides of the road:
Andy Allan wrote:
And every time using :left and :right comes up, we all have a big
discussion about it and then nobody pays any attention and it comes up
again a few months later.
Perhaps this is because the concept leftright is so simple - and the
aversion against editors, that are not totally
Further to Tobias's raising of :mode, :wet, :direction etc. for
pseudovoting, I'd like to raise a general method for tagging properties
of the two sides of the road:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/right_left
The proposal suggests an interpretation of suffixes like
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