Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-21 Thread Ulf Möller
Russ Nelson schrieb: Oh, look, we have 99% of all roads in the US in OSM. Can you say that about any other country besides the exceptional Germany and the (dare I say it) imported Netherlands? In German cities we have 90-100% of the roads, but it's not that good in remote rural areas. There

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +, Andy Allan wrote: So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much, much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker. I think TIGER

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +, Andy Allan wrote: So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much, much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker. I think TIGER

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-19 Thread Chris Hunter
Oh, and $5/disk to burn it to DVD On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: Sensible government policy? When did that happen? My local county wants $10,680.00 for the political GIS data, and it's got a non-redistributable, non-commercial license on top of

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: tag k=addr:street v=Big Grove Rd / tag k=addr:state v=MyState / tag k=addr:county v=MyCity, ST / tag k=addr:country v=US / I believe people have been saying that this information is not necessary, and is_in is also not

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/11/16 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com Yes. Please don't include this point is within such-and-such a polygon data onto the point itself, it's redundant information and not helpful. When a county border is changed by legislation, then moving the border of the county should be

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Joseph Booker
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:14:37 -0500 Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps. C'mon, this is the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +, Andy Allan wrote: So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much, much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker. I think TIGER was a success if only

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: should I waste my time, as you folks in the UK have **been forced** to waste your time reinventing an existing map? Sorry, which map have we reinvented? If OSM is better than OS, then you've

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, 2009/11/14 SteveC st...@asklater.com: In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the street and move them manually.

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/14 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: I've done a similar import of address data in my area and when writing the converter I forgot to do the projection the first time, this resulted in a similar effect to what you describe.  I've not seen Dave's data but looking at the code he's

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:49 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, 2009/11/14 SteveC st...@asklater.com: In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations are not a problem (except copying a whole way to somewhere else), the

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/15 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: I agree with Anthony that these tags are useless *except* this one tag, the Id *is* useful, please don't remove it. To clarify what I mean, a good measure is probably whether you're changing the name on the road. If you're changing the geometry

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations are not

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:05 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Anthony that these tags are useless *except* this one tag, the Id *is* useful, please don't remove it. What's useful about it? Or to ask the question a different way, what is the tag supposed to mean?

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: copying is very common for all motorways and other ways with separated lanes. And this is ok too, it means that both these ways in TIGER are one way with the given Id, this is just the information any automated process will be looking for.

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/11/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 9:05 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Anthony that these tags are useless *except* this one tag, the Id *is* useful, please don't remove it. What's useful about it?  Or to ask the question a different way,

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread SteveC
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:49 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, 2009/11/14 SteveC st...@asklater.com: In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Russ Nelson
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations are not

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Dale Puch
What I know of it is the tiger ID came from the ID of each unique item in the tiger DB. A road segment that had an address range was one, the next address range was another ID. Basically each intersection to intersection. All well and good except in OSM those would all be septate ways, so they

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Dave Hansen
On Sat, 2009-11-14 at 21:35 -0500, Anthony wrote: Unless you can point me to some documentation as to what the tiger id *means* (*), I'm not going to think about it at all. Sometimes I keep it, sometimes I delete it, sometimes I delete the whole way and create a new one in its place (without

[OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread SteveC
Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...? Yours c. Steve On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code:

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Mike N.
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. Thanks to those who worked on the namefinder - it worked GREAT

Re: [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread SteveC
Dave I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two things. In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the addressing on

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Mike N.
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. Thanks to those who worked on the namefinder - it worked GREAT

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.