Paul Norman wrote:
Case 3 ... vandalism creating havoc ... this can only be correctly
handled by reverting the change set ... a delete button is not the right
tool!
The revert tools just do a delete.
I hope not!
They roll back to the previous version of an object. I've just had to use that
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:36 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:
In an attempt to put some numbers to to the errors made by new mappers
debate, I've done a count-back of new users and editors that they use for
they area that I keep an eye on in the UK (England and bits of Wales,
Am 25.08.2013 10:17, schrieb Lester Caine:
Paul Norman wrote:
Case 3 ... vandalism creating havoc ... this can only be correctly
handled by reverting the change set ... a delete button is not the
right
tool!
The revert tools just do a delete.
I hope not!
They roll back to the previous
From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org
Paul Norman wrote:
Case 3 ... vandalism creating havoc ... this can only be correctly
handled by reverting the change set ... a delete
From: Peter Wendorff [mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org
If you revert a deletion the old nodes aren't re-used, but created as
new objects. There is no real undeletion in the API, so all
2013/8/25 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de
The revert tools just do a delete.
I hope not!
They roll back to the previous version of an object. I've just had to
use that to fix a problem id created with a commit I had pushed. Revert
rolled all the nodes back to their correct
Am 25.08.2013 11:11, schrieb Paul Norman:
From: Peter Wendorff [mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org
If you revert a deletion the old nodes aren't re-used, but created as
new objects
2013/8/25 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com
Hi,
Just wondering what tools you use to keep an eye on that area? I'd
love to have a better idea of what other editors are doing in my area.
I'm using IFTTT to get an email from the rss-feeds created by Pascal Neis'
new mappers service. The
From: Peter Wendorff [mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org
Am 25.08.2013 11:11, schrieb Paul Norman:
From: Peter Wendorff [mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de]
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1
Am 25.08.2013 11:42, schrieb Paul Norman:
From: Peter Wendorff [mailto:wendo...@uni-paderborn.de]
If so, then sorry for that - but is there any documentation about it?
The API description in the wiki does not mention anything like that, so
IMHO it's missing there, isn't it?
They upload a
Am 24.08.13 schrieb Lester Caine:
See other thread an why there should not be a delete button! I made the same
case on potlatch in the past and now the reasons are even greater.
In your last 5 changesets you deleted 7 nodes. You improved the quality of
the map by deleting (and adding)
(remember to check address!)
Peter Wendorff wrote:
If so, then sorry for that - but is there any documentation about it?
The API description in the wiki does not mention anything like that, so
IMHO it's missing there, isn't it?
They upload a new version of the object with the appropriate
Fabian Schmidt wrote:
See other thread an why there should not be a delete button! I made the same
case on potlatch in the past and now the reasons are even greater.
In your last 5 changesets you deleted 7 nodes. You improved the quality of the
map by deleting (and adding) nodes.
When you try
Hi Lester,
Thanks - my fault.
misread the section about 412, which refers to MEMBERS of the updated
object, not to the object itself.
Sorry for the confusion!
regards
Peter
Am 25.08.2013 12:37, schrieb Lester Caine:
(remember to check address!)
Peter Wendorff wrote:
If so, then sorry for
On Aug 23, 2013 5:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
IMHO an editor should either display these memberships and relations or
not allow the modification of involved members. Doing neither is crying for
trouble.
I'm willing to go so far as to say any editor that doesn't is
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:
Sometimes it almost looks like some people here are afraid of new users.
+1
We also have to see deletions as positive contributions a priori
Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Sometimes it almost looks like some people here are afraid of new users.
+1
We also have to see deletions as positive contributions a priori
when it is really fixing something (e.g. removing an obsolete POI).
Only intentional deletions are positive
What about when an object (perhaps a road or a boundary) is replaced by
a better approximation? The history of the database objects is already
dealt with (you can access old versions and see when it was deleted).
Typically in these cases the new version gets drawn/uploaded, the tags
are copied
Colin Smale wrote:
What about when an object (perhaps a road or a boundary) is replaced by a better
approximation? The history of the database objects is already dealt with (you
can access old versions and see when it was deleted). Typically in these cases
the new version gets drawn/uploaded,
John Firebaugh wrote:
During the last month in this area:
P2 iD JOSM Other (Wheelmap / Go Map! / POI+)
Made no newbie errors34 17 3 3
Made at least one newbie error 40 16 1 3
Made more serious errors 5 0 1 0
So 45 of 79 new
SomeoneElse wrote:
1) A POI added without a main tag
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/4295739963
I suspect that people are adding a point to a map (in this case for a shop),
and are not seeing shop in the default list to the left or understanding that
they can search. In my
Am 24.08.2013 11:00, schrieb Lester Caine:
Case 1 ... better imagery shows that the location of a way is wrong ...
so move the way to the new location! Do not delete the way and and start
again from scratch. This is were 'imports' are very badly broken, and
when a new import is applied it
From: Lester Caine [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:00 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org
Case 3 ... vandalism creating havoc ... this can only be correctly
handled by reverting the change set
Hi,
On 08/23/13 01:11, Paul Johnson wrote:
Given the maintenance situation on P2, promoting iD seems like the
only way forward.
Web launch a JOSM session?
As an avid JOSM user and former member of the JOSM programming team I am
happy to see that JOSM is thriving.
Making the default edit
+1
And don't forget JOSM basic and expert modes... which are already providing
an intermediate step between P2/iD dans the full featured JOSM.
+1 also to make iD the default editor on osm.org
2013/8/23 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
Hi,
On 08/23/13 01:11, Paul Johnson wrote:
Given
Il giorno 23/ago/2013, alle ore 10:17, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org ha
scritto:
Frankly I am quite happy that we have, in JOSM, an editor that, while free
for everyone to try out, does target the more demanding users, and can
therefor afford to be a little more demanding itself. An
Thanks so much for running those numbers! Actual data is helpful in a
conversation that has contained quite a few assumptions.
(Continuing the assumption trend...) Anecdotally, as someone who only
became an active editor last year, I found P2 more accessible than JOSM as
a new contributor. I had
On Aug 17, 2013 12:33 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
Given the maintenance situation on P2, promoting iD seems like the only
way forward.
Web launch a JOSM session?
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Bryce,
On 08/21/2013 01:05 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
iD raises the bar, as should any project that wholesale replaces another.
Instead the question should be what achievable workflows have a shot at
helping starting mappers turn into quality repeat mappers?
You seem to be arguing that iD would
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
In regards to mistakes: I think it clear that iD makes delete more prominent
and easy to hit than P2, and misses opportunities to have better delete
workflows.
I don't see this as a problem. Deleting is equally
Pieren wrote:
In regards to mistakes: I think it clear that iD makes delete more prominent
and easy to hit than P2, and misses opportunities to have better delete
workflows.
I don't see this as a problem. Deleting is equally important as
inserting or moving objects in any editor. When you
Il giorno 21/ago/2013, alle ore 11:44, Pieren pier...@gmail.com ha scritto:
In regards to mistakes: I think it clear that iD makes delete more prominent
and easy to hit than P2, and misses opportunities to have better delete
workflows.
I don't see this as a problem. Deleting is equally
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
A better handling
of the SAVE cycle might suffice in a lot of cases, rather than a pop-up for
each delete? So many nodes will be deleted from the live map ... did you
really mean to do that?
I think we speak here about
What I deeply regret is that OSM website still
does not offer to everyone, including newcomers, a fast and easy way
to revert an edit once it is saved.
Work is under way. Please stay tuned an have an eye on the workshop
The geometry and data of change at the SOTM.
In more detail: As opposed
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
apples and pears, deleting an article in WP is much harder and no one can do
it alone, we're not discussing the deletion of a tag but the deletion of a
complete object including its history (they remain in the db but finding them
gets
Sometimes it almost looks like some people here are afraid of new users.
I think it is correct to assume that they will make mistakes in the
beginning but also that they join the project to add new data. If they grow
to be seasoned mappers the benefits of having new users will outweigh the
Ben Abelshausen wrote:
Sometimes it almost looks like some people here are afraid of new users.
I still think that the general process for new users is not the easiest ...
I think it is correct to assume that they will make mistakes in the beginning
but also that they join the project to add
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:
Sometimes it almost looks like some people here are afraid of new users.
+1
We also have to see deletions as positive contributions a priori
when it is really fixing something (e.g. removing an obsolete POI).
A
I love iD, thank you for all the hard work. I say put it live now.
I have 2mb internet. It's super fast by Indonesian standards. That's
where I live.
I worry about the speed. I wish offline tiles were easier. I wish a lot of
things, but I am glad for iD.
One note about the test site:
Imagine something we could se as co-mapping...
- some chat space (with other mappers nearby or using same language)
- a way to share the area you're mapping with someone else who could help
you
2013/8/21 Pieren pier...@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Ben Abelshausen
Lester Caine wrote:
I've given it another try, but the style sheet is definitely not to my liking
when working on data around here. I prefer the cleaner style of P2.
http://lsces.co.uk/fisheye/view.php?gallery_id=78 to try and explain what I'm
talking about ...
This was the best contrast I
Agreed. I suspect a lot of mistakes in the OSM database by new mappers would
have been backed out by them, could they figure out how to do so.
Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com
wrote:
In regards to mistakes: I think it
Lets get back on track again, ID as default. If we stop nitpicking, I think
ID has pretty much all that Potlatch has. In addition to that, it doesn't
use non-free software, and is really much easier for beginners to use. For
me personaly, it's much more streamlined and faster to use. Try drawing a
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
t really is a brilliant peace of software.
+1
--
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+ 1 as well. OSM is fortunate to have the Id developers on board. Let's
move on with the project and go for this change with the current features
and performance. I'm sure the Id developers are happy to implement new
features in a next release.
Cheers, Johan
Op woensdag 21 augustus 2013 schreef
On 8/21/2013 11:59 AM, Johan C wrote:
+ 1 as well. OSM is fortunate to have the Id developers on board.
Here also - I was happy to see a new mapper pop up in this lonely
corner of the map and make some quality contributions. The editor on
the changesets? iD , so in that case the goal of
Hi Andy,
Thanks, this is great. I love having real numbers to discuss.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:36 AM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote:
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
it has been proposed to make the newly released iD v1.1 the default
editor on openstreetmap.org, meaning that
John Firebaugh wrote
Hi Andy,
Thanks, this is great. I love having real numbers to discuss.
Indeed, that is great. So thanks for the effort to produce these numbers and
allow the discussion to come back to an objective debate.
Those numbers speaks towards that iD is no worse than P2,
Il giorno 21/ago/2013, alle ore 20:10, John Firebaugh
john.fireba...@gmail.com ha scritto:
So 45 of 79 new contributors (57%) made errors with P2, 16 of 33 (48%) with
iD, 2 of 5 (40%) with JOSM, and 3 of 6 (50%) with other editors. While
there's no doubt a fair margin of error here, what
Hi,
4. There are concerns that iD (and thus osm.org http://osm.org) will
promote Facebook and Twitter, over other social networks.
The problem I have with those big share buttons is not that they promote
Facebook or Twitter over G+ or other sites but that the (hopefully soon
default)
Kai Krueger wrote:
Toby Murray-2 wrote
We aren't trying to make The Perfect Editor here. We are trying to replace
an aging editor with something more current. Let us not make perfection the
enemy of progress.
Although a perfect editor would of course be nice, it isn't really
achievable so
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes:
(It would be cool if the make square tool would reject the making
square of very un-square things like roundabouts, but all our other
editors will happily square a circle for you so it would be a bit unfair
to demand different from iD I
Lester Caine wrote:
NO ... I'm not finding this an improvement ... P2 has it's faults, but at least
it IS usable for the quick editing. Id needs you to know a lot more already to
be able to add the sort of simple stuff a novice user will be looking at first
:( Add the P2 menus in place of the
Lester Caine wrote:
people seem to think that all these nice new wizbangs are progress such as that
informationless curved pallet
Me again ...
*NOW* I'm getting icons on the curved pallet!
That was blank while I was playing earlier ... did I just happen to hit
something to enable them?
Only
, 2013 3:13 PM
To: Toby Murray
Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org
Thanks for that tip. Although it would be so much easier if it hadn't been
remove from the list.
Dave F.
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Il giorno 19/ago/2013, alle ore 23:44, John Firebaugh
john.fireba...@gmail.com ha scritto:
Well, we could try sending them polite emails, welcoming them to the
community, expressing appreciations for their contributions, and
constructively suggesting how to improve their future edits.
Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
it has been proposed to make the newly released iD v1.1 the
default editor on openstreetmap.org, meaning that if someone doesn't
explicitly chose an editor they will open iD instead of Potlatch.
In an attempt to put some numbers to to the errors made by new
iD has a wonderful 'tutorial mode', as well as documentation that explains,
in detail, how to add POIs and do other actions. Given that iD is not
Potlatch, the ways you do these things is not the same as Potlatch, but new
users will not have used Potlatch and will use the tutorial to learn the
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 08:59:28AM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
it has been proposed to make the newly released iD v1.1 the default
editor on openstreetmap.org, meaning that if someone doesn't explicitly
chose an editor they will open iD instead of Potlatch.
I say go for it, from all
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
It has been claimed often that iD damages relations. Can we somehow
substantiate that claim?
Could anyone provide a detailed description of a non-esoteric use case
that involves
* a kind (and structure) of relation
In this case and others, we should keep in mind whether P2 or JOSM have
safer or smarter behavior. Would they 'notice' that this new road segment
has meaning? Put another way: iD will never prevent all mistakes, but does
it prevent less than P2 and co? (in this case, I think the answer is no)
On
2013/8/20 Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org
In this case and others, we should keep in mind whether P2 or JOSM have
safer or smarter behavior. Would they 'notice' that this new road segment
has meaning? Put another way: iD will never prevent all mistakes, but does
it prevent less than P2 and
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote:
In this case and others, we should keep in mind whether P2 or JOSM have
safer or smarter behavior. Would they 'notice' that this new road segment
has meaning? Put another way: iD will never prevent all mistakes, but does
Given that we're in the process of launching iD, we need to set some basic
guidelines so that this conversation actually results in launching iD
rather than continues to blue-sky and OT.
Thus, for something like 'is iD dangerous to use', it cannot be a question
of 'what's the most wonderful way
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM, John Firebaugh
john.fireba...@gmail.comwrote:
iD 1.1 displays relationship memberships in the sidebar much like P2 does.
We plan to add additional functionality (e.g. highlighting routes on the
map, visual rendering of turn restrictions) in future versions,
Il giorno 18/ago/2013, alle ore 19:04, John Firebaugh
john.fireba...@gmail.com ha scritto:
As has been discussed before, we are not planning to add intrusive Are you
sure? warnings to iD. Such second-guessing disrupts legitimate workflows and
turns away new users, who typically already
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
As has been discussed before, we are not planning to add intrusive Are you
sure? warnings to iD. Such second-guessing disrupts legitimate workflows and turns
away new users, who typically already feel anxiety about doing something wrong.
with that approach (letting
2013/8/19 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
Relations are fragile and if they are almost hidden for the mapper a
warning should be the minimal precaution (or alternatively don't let iD
users do these kind of edits where relations are involved and would be
damaged).
A turn
Back to the original question about iD being the default editor:
Originally at least part of the thinking behind iD was to have a
newbie-friendly editor [0]. As seen before and in this thread, more
advanced users want to keep adding functionality, which will tend to make
it less simple and
Hi,
On 19.08.2013 15:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
with that approach (letting the users incidentally damage turn restrictions or
other relations without warning by deleting members or combining them in a
harmful way )
It has been claimed often that iD damages relations. Can we somehow
Hi!
I have just worked through all the previous posts here and experimented with
the test instance in my home turf. The short anwer is: No, I do not believe
that ID is in a state to make it the default editor, especially not to
welcome newbies.
The long answer:
I still see very bad performance
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM, NopMap ekkeh...@gmx.de wrote:
I still see very bad performance in Firefox. I noticed that editing has
been
limited to zoom 16 and higher which is a very crude way to limit the data
displayed. But it also makes orientation very difficult when you have to
move
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
with that approach (letting the users incidentally damage turn
restrictions or other relations without warning by deleting members or
combining them in a harmful way ) new users will get even more anxious as
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
it has been proposed to make the newly released iD v1.1 the default editor
on openstreetmap.org, meaning that if someone doesn't explicitly chose an
editor they will open iD instead of Potlatch.
To try and
Nop,
I'm referring to the delete button but also to the
make-square, make-round and rotate options. You do not need these to draw
streets on top of tracks or aerial imagery, which is the basic start of
mapping.
Quite a few people start with tracing buildings nowadays, a task for
which this
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
-- Going off on a tangent here and leaving the scope of immediate iD
improvements - someone else has posted that a while ago in a different
discussion. Maybe we are far too obsessed with trying to make sure nothing
is
We aren't trying to make The Perfect Editor here. We are trying to replace
an aging editor with something more current. Let us not make perfection the
enemy of progress. Of course there are still improvements to be made but iD
is definitely a fantastic bit of code. We can keep bikeshedding it
On 20 August 2013 07:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I think one shouldn't be religious about warnings/questions/popup messages
- sure it's a UI challenge to do them well but simply not doing them at
all, ever, doesn't automatically mean you have a good UI. However, a pop-up
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
It has been claimed often that iD damages relations. Can we somehow
substantiate that claim?
Could anyone provide a detailed description of a non-esoteric use case
that involves
* a kind (and structure) of relation
brycenesbitt wrote
5. There are concerns that iD makes deletion of features more prominent
in the UI, compared to prior editors.
In all this discussion if the delete feature, or rectanglify is too
prominent, I always wonder why people don't just undo the accidental
mistake? Even as an
Toby Murray-2 wrote
We aren't trying to make The Perfect Editor here. We are trying to
replace
an aging editor with something more current. Let us not make perfection
the
enemy of progress.
Although a perfect editor would of course be nice, it isn't really
achievable so yes, we don't want
Hi,
Since everybody is pilling onto this, here is my 2 cents.
I find the P2 editor completely unusable, it is too slow, its is very
hard to use, and requires me to enable a completely insecure plugin to
run. I would not be involved in the project if I did not discover JOSM
shortly after
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
But perhaps most critically of all, before iD becomes the default, are the
issues of damaging relations and oneway=yes tagged ways:
https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1461
https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/299
On 16.08.2013 15:39, Tom MacWright wrote:
Hi all,
Now as ever is a good time to post bug reports and suggestions to the
issue tracker, where developers can see, act, and respond to them:
https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues
Another website with another login and no option for anonymous
Hi,
Please, do not offer a delete function that prominent !
This has come up before. Where should this action button move? Or should
there be an alert message? How to resolve this with pro users who get angry
with how hidden or alert-messaged the functionality is? Would welcome
feedback here
Il giorno 17/ago/2013, alle ore 15:07, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com ha
scritto:
As long as this is not fixed, deny to combine or change directions on
any way.
for combining ways there seems to be another quite important issue regarding
turn restrictions:
On 17.08.2013 15:26, Tom MacWright wrote:
Hey
Please, do not offer a delete function that prominent !
This has come up before. Where should this action button move? Or should
there be an alert message? How to resolve this with pro users who get
angry with how hidden or alert-messaged the
Please, do not offer a delete function that prominent !
This has come up before. Where should this action button move? Or should
there be an alert message? How to resolve this with pro users who get
angry with how hidden or alert-messaged the functionality is? Would
welcome feedback here
Hey,
Why do we set a default editor right from the beginning and do not let
the user decide ?
I think it depends on the individual which editor fits to whom. I met
several people who know how to work with GUIs but are not familiar with
OSM. All had no problem getting along with JOSM right away
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 04:34:37PM +0200, colliar wrote:
Why do we set a default editor right from the beginning and do not let
the user decide ?
Because we don't want to make it easier, not harder for new users. And the new
users don't have any information to base their decision on. Nobody is
Hi,
Why do we set a default editor right from the beginning and do not let the
user decide ?
That's a question for another thread, but the answer is likely to be
'reasonable defaults'.
Tom
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote:
Hey,
Why do we set a default
Users can already decide in their profile, so we're talking more about
a default by default...
2013/8/17 Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org:
Hi,
Why do we set a default editor right from the beginning and do not let the
user decide ?
That's a question for another thread, but the answer is
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Christian Quest
cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote:
Users can already decide in their profile, so we're talking more about
a default by default...
better say the default for newcomers
Pieren
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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Martin Raifer tyr@gmail.com wrote:
What about requiring double clicks on the delete icon
I would prefere a popup window coming only the first time someone use
it, saying be carefull, you will really delete something in the real
database if you save your work
iD has always had a clear message to this direction every time any user
saves:
The changes you upload as tmcw http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tmcw will
be visible on all maps that use OpenStreetMap data.
https://cloudup.com/ckQTglHaKYJ
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Pieren
Maybe a short summary like: you have added xxx objects, modified yyy
object and deleted zzz objects would help in this dialog ?
2013/8/17 Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org
iD has always had a clear message to this direction every time any user
saves:
The changes you upload as tmcw
Please, as I mentioned before: you can just use iD and see for yourself.
There's no point in guessing what's in the box when you can just scoot over
to
http://openstreetmap.us/iD/master/#background=Bingmap=20.00/-77.02271/38.90085
And see for yourself.
That is to say, we already have a listing
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote:
And see for yourself.
Ok. No special warning if you delete one element. And most of newcomers do
small changes for a try.
But I was extremetely surprise to see twitter and facebook after the
save action. Is OSM still
I actually love the social features in iD. I like being able to share on
Facebook that I've just edited my hometown. I think it's a great way to
start conversations around OSM and share an interest of mine with my
friends, as well as raise general awareness of the project.
Obviously not
And most of newcomers do small changes for a try.
If we're going to continue to assume that newcomers are dumb and
destructive, disabling new user signups would do the trick better than
subtly judging them and handicapping applications that empower them.
But I was extremetely surprise to see
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