Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Could the definition of official be simplified to signed?? If not, what would be the difference between bicycle=official and bicycle=signed? As I have understood,

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-15 Thread Mike Harris
can be minimised? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Roy Wallace [mailto:waldo000...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 August 2009 00:12 To: Mike Harris Cc: Jukka Rahkonen; talk@openstreetmap.org; m...@koppenhoefer.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing On Fri

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: The wiki says 'Official' is stronger than 'designated'...'Offical' is only for ways marked with a legal traffic sign. the map-features main page states for access: * official is used for ways dedicated to a certain mode of travel by law. Usually

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Bicycle=signed is IMHO not the best idea, because what do you do for official or designated _and_ signed ways? As I mentioned before, you would have to change the syntax to something more like

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-15 Thread Richard Mann
access=official is a proposal (and one that appears to be in abeyance) It's basically trying to create another access= value to try to sort out some of the mess with access=designated, but I fear it just adds further to the confusion. Richard On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Roy Wallace

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
-Original Message- From: Roy Wallace [mailto:waldo000...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 August 2009 23:15 To: Jukka Rahkonen Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Jukka Rahkonenjukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/14 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: The problem is that some of us follow the wiki advice re designated= which was developed after a lot of discussion in this group! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated If it ain't broke don't fix it? IMHO it IS BROKEN. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Mike Harris
: Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing 2009/8/14 Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: The problem is that some of us follow the wiki advice re designated= which was developed after a lot of discussion in this group! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Roy Wallacewaldo000...@gmail.com wrote: To me, cycleway means path, designated means signed, and bicycle=yes means it's suitable for bikes. So if you have a path that is suitable for a bicycle but does not have a sign with a bicycle, I would use highway=path

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Mike Harrismik...@googlemail.com wrote: Tend to agree in part - I think the 'official' bit is actually redundant? Would this improve the page? I'm not sure you'd be successful in removing 'official' altogether, but I think it could do with some clarification,

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Mike Harrismik...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem is that some of us follow the wiki advice re designated= which was developed after a lot of discussion in this group! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated Designated= does not mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Could the definition of official be simplified to signed?? If not, what would be the difference between bicycle=official and bicycle=signed? As I have understood, official is intended to tag the formal dedication (usually of the local administration

[OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-13 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, What might be an unambiguous way to tell that some cycleway is NOT designated? In theory if bicycle=designated means what it says then bicycle=yes might mean that yes, it is a cycleway, but no, it is not a designated cycleway. However, I feel that bicycle=yes means more often that nobody has

Re: [OSM-talk] Non-designated cycleway vs. designation info missing

2009-08-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Jukka Rahkonenjukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: Hi, What might be an unambiguous way to tell that some cycleway is NOT designated? In theory if bicycle=designated means what it says then bicycle=yes might mean that yes, it is a cycleway, but no, it is not a