Nick Whitelegg wrote:
But one of my plans for Freemap (shortly to be re-launched as OpenFootMap,
all being well) is to add a nationwide Fix My Paths feature where users
can use OSM-derived maps to report a problem with a path. In other words,
they could click on the map, then the
Fwiw - I hold the view that the OS cannot own the status in any way as
it is
the Highway Authority that decides / maintains the status. The only way
the
OS even know about the status is by the Highway Authority telling them
- as
they do (and a few years later the OS *might* amend their
Hello Mike,
(cced to list in case of interest)
Incidentally, the next step that 'my' County Council is planning is to
enhance their public domain interactive mapping system (which
acknowledges
that the *base* mapping is OS) by allowing any member of the public to
click
on the map to report a
2009/2/23 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com:
Am Montag 23 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
2009/2/22 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com:
Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting
bots can be really annoying.
2009/2/23 Yann Coupin y...@coupin.net:
Le 23 févr. 09 à 11:26, Dave Stubbs a écrit :
So my question is this: given that there /are/ two tags in use, why go
to all the effort to change it? Document both and be done with it.
And this is helping the data not to turn into a pile of grey goo,
on
the mis-named UK Public Rights of Way page?
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: Someoneelse [mailto:li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk]
Sent: 23 February 2009 19:55
To: Mike Harris
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
Either my
or
plum respectively.
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk]
Sent: 23 February 2009 21:00
To: 'Someoneelse'; 'Mike Harris'
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
Someoneelse (?) wrote:
which makes
2009/2/23 Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:46:09 +0100, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com
wrote:
because...
1. ... every application trying to use the data has to deal with several
taggings for the same thing. that's an unnecessary waste of resources.
a script
2009 23:00
To: Ed Loach
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
If it was necessary to tag what was actually used (rather than legal) than
near me a lot of the footpaths would be scruffy_kids_on_motorbikes=yes.
Also, at least one railway line
Hi,
Dave Stubbs wrote:
What you want is this: a validation tool so that users with a brain
can figure it out for themselves.
I think that the tagging view in the OSM Inspector
(http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/) is already quite a good start for such
a validation tool. The OSMI is based on the
Dave Stubbs schrieb:
2. ... it is easier for new mappers to have one documented tag for one
feature, instead of having to choose...
Fine, no problem. I said document both, not recommend both.
document both IS recommend both!
ULFL - who thinks that having already hundreds (literally!)
This then would seem to make foot=yes unavailable as a description of the
physical nature of the way and to duplicate foot=designated.
The Key:access wiki uses the word preferred when describing
designated. I can see the point with regard to e.g. truck routes, but
less so for English and
2009/2/24 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Dave Stubbs schrieb:
2. ... it is easier for new mappers to have one documented tag for one
feature, instead of having to choose...
Fine, no problem. I said document both, not recommend both.
document both IS recommend both!
=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
This then would seem to make foot=yes unavailable as a description of
the physical nature of the way and to duplicate foot=designated.
The Key:access wiki uses the word preferred when describing designated. I
can see the point with regard to e.g. truck routes
Dave Stubbs schrieb:
2009/2/24 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Dave Stubbs schrieb:
2. ... it is easier for new mappers to have one documented tag for one
feature, instead of having to choose...
Fine, no problem. I said document both, not recommend both.
document both IS recommend
document both IS recommend both!
amenity=doctors - A doctor's surgery. smallerNote: people have also
used amenity=doctor for this./smaller
Wow. Hard.
Hmmm. And that is more helpful for anyone going to use this tag (mapping or
rendering or ...) than simply saying:
amenity=doctors - A
Actually that raises another issue (notwithstanding the point below) -
in cases where the legal status is only available on either a copyright
map (either bought or on the wall at the local council) - it's sometimes
not possible to know what the legal status of all traffic on e.g. a
former
Sorry, belated reply to this, didn't realise the thread was about this
topic. I guess I'm the oldest of the OSM countryside mappers, having
been involved in open countryside mapping since Mar 2004 (via my own
Freemap project, now using OSM data) and OSM since a year later, so...
As what might
This then would seem to make foot=yes unavailable as a description of the
physical nature of the way and to duplicate foot=designated. What would
we
then use to describe the physical nature? Similarly if bicycle=yes (even
if
we already have an option of bicycle=designated) means that bicycles
/longitude etc. is
irrelevant.
Mike Harris
-Original Message-
From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk]
Sent: 24 February 2009 15:35
To: Someoneelse
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
Actually that raises another issue
done (though for nothing like as
long!).
Mike
-Original Message-
From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk]
Sent: 24 February 2009 15:41
To: Mike Harris
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
Sorry, belated reply
-Original Message-
From: Nick Whitelegg [mailto:nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk]
Sent: 24 February 2009 15:46
To: Mike Harris
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
This then would seem to make foot=yes unavailable as a description
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote:
Nick
Again I find myself in almost complete agreement with you. I found
highway=cycleway a particularly difficult concept given that bicycle rights
are somewhat ill-defined in rights-of-way lore (notwithstanding the
Am Dienstag 24 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
1. ... every application trying to use the data has to deal with several
taggings for the same thing. that's an unnecessary waste of resources.
a script running on the database can minimize this waste, and
furthermore, can fix typos in tags,
On 24/02/2009 17:02, Mike Harris wrote:
Fwiw - I hold the view that the OS cannot own the status in any way as it is
the Highway Authority that decides / maintains the status. The only way the
OS even know about the status is by the Highway Authority telling them - as
they do (and a few years
I have to say i'm siding with those in favour of validation as well.
Not for everything, but at the very least some kind of spell
checking utility when uploading from the editors. I've seen a number
of spelling mistakes when residential was clearly the intended tag
value. I have nearly uploaded
Guenther Meyer wrote:
it may be trivial, but when you have to do this for every possible
tag with some variations, it's a waste of time, that should not
be necessary. parsing the osm xml files is already a ressource
consuming task; every unnecessary work should be omitted.
Maybe, but you
Am Dienstag 24 Februar 2009 schrieb Richard Fairhurst:
Guenther Meyer wrote:
it may be trivial, but when you have to do this for every possible
tag with some variations, it's a waste of time, that should not
be necessary. parsing the osm xml files is already a ressource
consuming task;
have to disagree on the specifics of this case ...
Cheers ...
Mike
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From: David Earl [mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com]
Sent: 24 February 2009 19:51
To: Mike Harris
Cc: 'Nick Whitelegg'; 'Someoneelse'; talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor
: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote:
Nick
Again I find myself in almost complete agreement with you. I found
highway=cycleway a particularly difficult concept given that bicycle rights
2009/2/22 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com:
Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting
bots can be really annoying. As long as it's documented both ways it
can be trivially implemented both ways.
but why should we
Le 23 févr. 09 à 11:26, Dave Stubbs a écrit :
So my question is this: given that there /are/ two tags in use, why go
to all the effort to change it? Document both and be done with it.
And this is helping the data not to turn into a pile of grey goo,
how ? This is exactly what's damaging the
Hi,
Yann Coupin wrote:
Because it makes the data in it unusable. Next thing you know, someone
in Germany will tag doctors office hartz
Arzt, more likely. And why not? There are enough Germans struggling to
understand the tags thrown at us by the English, why should they
understand
Am Montag 23 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
2009/2/22 Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com:
Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting
bots can be really annoying. As long as it's documented both ways it
can be
Am Montag 23 Februar 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
Hi,
Yann Coupin wrote:
Because it makes the data in it unusable. Next thing you know, someone
in Germany will tag doctors office hartz
Arzt, more likely. And why not? There are enough Germans struggling to
understand the tags thrown at us
On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:46:09 +0100, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com
wrote:
because...
1. ... every application trying to use the data has to deal with several
taggings for the same thing. that's an unnecessary waste of resources.
a script running on the database can minimize this
Dave Stubbs wrote:
I don't give a monkey's about the tag, I just don't want to see a
proliferation of bots of this kind. There's already of couple of
unilateral bots running, arbitrarily determining which tags you're
allowed to use and it's irritating. Too many more and we'll just be
facing
Harris
-Original Message-
From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk]
Sent: 22 February 2009 21:36
To: 'Renaud MICHEL'; talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
Renaud wrote:
I agree.
I am a recent (4 months) contributor to OSM and I
Mike wrote:
I don't like highway=path very much either - but there are
circumstances
when I do fall back on using it. Perhaps Ed or someone can
advise what a
better option would be?
My comment was rather tongue in cheek, but I do personally feel that
path is overused. Part of my problem
Message-
From: Ed Loach [mailto:e...@loach.me.uk]
Sent: 23 February 2009 14:12
To: 'Mike Harris'
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
Mike wrote:
I don't like highway=path very much either - but there are
circumstances when I do fall
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com wrote:
Ed
I guessed it was a little t-i-c (:) but as it raised an issue I was
interested in, I took the opportunity to post!
You have returned the compliment!
As what might be described as a footpath worker (and getting
Either my memory is playing up (entirely possible) or the Wiki, although
still confusing*, is actually clearer than it used to be on this. The
tag page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot
refers to the
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
page that you mentioned.
which makes
Someoneelse (?) wrote:
which makes it clear that it's about the legal right of access
rather
than the physical possibility of doing so.
Of course. It all makes sense now. Thanks. Guess I'd better check
some of my bicycle=yes tags that I've added to various footways :(
Finally - a question.
I wrote:
e.g. http://flickr.com/photos/edloach/3304768464/
But as a better example (of what I'd mentioned)
http://flickr.com/photos/edloach/3304728052/
has the Bridleway arrows with the Essex logo on. The first example
just has blue arrows with Bridleway on.
Ed
If it was necessary to tag what was actually used (rather than legal)
than near me a lot of the footpaths would be
scruffy_kids_on_motorbikes=yes. Also, at least one railway line would
occasionally be cows=yes.
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2009/2/20 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org:
amenity=doctors was proposed, but died due to lack of love.
Nevertheless, JOSM has chosen to implement it, as has t...@h (I think).
* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/GP_Surgery
* amenity=doctors
*
Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting
bots can be really annoying. As long as it's documented both ways it
can be trivially implemented both ways.
but why should we use two different tags for the same thing?
it
Le dimanche 22 février 2009 à 14:19, Guenther Meyer a écrit :
Am Sonntag 22 Februar 2009 schrieb Dave Stubbs:
You could just /not/ run a bot on it. Seriously, these tag correcting
bots can be really annoying. As long as it's documented both ways it
can be trivially implemented both ways.
Renaud wrote:
I agree.
I am a recent (4 months) contributor to OSM and I sometimes
find it annoying
to have multiple, sometimes incompatible, tagging used for the
same
purpose.
Perhaps someone should come up with a bot to get rid of all those
silly highway=path tags? g,drvf
Ed
amenity=doctors was proposed, but died due to lack of love.
Nevertheless, JOSM has chosen to implement it, as has t...@h (I think).
* http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/GP_Surgery
* amenity=doctors
* tag usage: 1528 nodes or ways as of 2009-02-20
amenity=doctor has since
-
From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Sent: 20 February 2009 10:04
To: osm Talk
Subject: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
amenity=doctors was proposed, but died due to lack of love
...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
Sent: 20 February 2009 10:04
To: osm Talk
Subject: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]
amenity=doctors was proposed, but died due to lack of love.
Nevertheless, JOSM has chosen to implement it, as has t...@h (I think
David wrote:
It would also discourage the old tag coming back if ti...@home
were
changed at the same time. What's the incentive not to use tone
when if
you use the other you get to see results?
I just had a quick look at the z17 stylesheet. That seems to use
amenity=doctors throughout
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:51:21 +, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com
wrote:
If you're going to change it, JOSM should really be updated at the same
time, otherwise the tag will reappear. But updating JOSM isn't enough
because peoople don't necessarily update it regularly. However, JOSM
Gregory Williams wrote:
I think:
- Document it in the singular form (the other amenities are singular
(except toilets, where there are facilities per gender), so it matches
reality).
As I see it, amenity=toilets are plural because there are typically
multiple stalls or urinals: quite often
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