I said what I had on my heart, you can now make fun of me, or be respectful.
I agree, I already felt unpleasant manners around here.
Le lun. 21 déc. 2020 à 00:51, Martin Koppenhoefer
a écrit :
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:05, Clay Smalley wrote:
>
> Va téléphone à la
> Le 21 déc. 2020 à 00:54, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit
> :
> France is the spearhead against discrimination and gender disparity, in case
> you missed it, the Paris administration just recently got fined for putting a
> disproportionately high number of women in management positions:
>
>
sent from a phone
> On 21. Dec 2020, at 00:05, Clay Smalley wrote:
>
> Va téléphone à la police.
France is the spearhead against discrimination and gender disparity, in case
you missed it, the Paris administration just recently got fined for putting a
disproportionately high number of
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 5:52 PM Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> La loi française contre les propos haineux s'applique à tous en France.
>
Va téléphone à la police.
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Bonjour,
J'ai cité le passage problématique.
J'ai trop souffert de phobie sociale dans ma vie pour accepter ce genre de
propos.
La loi française contre les propos haineux s'applique à tous en France.
Bien à vous.
Le ven. 18 déc. 2020 à 12:15, Martin Constantino–Bodin <
Hello,
I can read at the date of this mail (how can you sign a moving
text ??) :
«Power dynamics in OSM are controlled by a dominant
contributor profile: white, Western and male. This power
dynamic has led to a communication style which includes
Hi, so my email has been blocked by a spam filter, I have to try to sent it
again :
Le mar. 15 déc. 2020 à 23:16, Florimond Berthoux <
florimond.berth...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi, my email has been blocked by a spam filter, I have to resent it.
>
> I'd like to had to my email below :
>
> Je
On 2020-12-10 19:49, Yves via talk wrote:
Niels, Arnalielsewhere post wasn't about mapping, the map is used to
illustrate something.
I agree with others comments pledging for more time to be taken to
read someone else's lines.
Then I struggle to see the relevance. The whole blogpost seems to
I wholeheartedly support an enforceable Code of Conduct for the mailing
lists and other global OSM spaces. I'm not going to write 3,000 words on
this. Others have already made these points. But for the sake of adding one
more female voice to this thread, plain and simple:
- Violent language is
The big problem I have with this manifesto is that it brings divisive North
American attitudes to a worldwide project. As a worldwide project, building a
community of mappers from the whole world is our most important single
diversity objective. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t encourage other
This whole thread caused me great distress on account of some messages I saw
that came across as
polarizing.
The reason I would be discouraged from joining OSM discussion right now would
be hostility and
passive aggressive bickering. And this is among people who I suppose all mean
the best for
Niels, Arnalielsewhere post wasn't about mapping, the map is used to illustrate
something.
I agree with others comments pledging for more time to be taken to read someone
else's lines.
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arnalie faye vicario:
Hello/kumusta,
What an overwhelming response!
This is my first time to email thru the global osm talk; it really takes true grit to
join the conversations, huge thanks to the people who inspired me and sparked the flame.
I will keep it short and redirect you to a
Hello/kumusta,
What an overwhelming response!
This is my first time to email thru the global osm talk; it really takes true
grit to join the conversations, huge thanks to the people who inspired me and
sparked the flame.
I will keep it short and redirect you to a (short) OSM Diary I wrote on
My bad. This was meant to HOT mailing list [1]. Sorry.
[1]: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2020-December/015409.html
jiri
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For the ones who are interested in the whole discussion:
- talk mailing list archive:
- https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085736.html
- osmf-talk mailing list archive:
-
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2020-December/007541.html
-
> The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.
>Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux
Communities and other Open Source/Open Data Communities.
Same in programming and IT fields, firefighters, mechanics, carpenters,
construction workers, taxi drivers, etc
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 6:38 AM tilmanreinecke--- via talk
wrote:
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> > The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.
>
> Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux Communities
> and other Open Source/Open Data Communities.
>
> > The simplest explanation for
> The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.Right, this is true. Sadly true. Something I also know from Linux Communities and other Open Source/Open Data Communities.> The simplest explanation for this is the systematic institutional hostility towards women in the OSM community.I did
@all,
I've posted a user diary about this, at
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/woodpeck/diary/395065, copied below
for your convenience.
Sorry / Bad choice of words
Posted by woodpeck on 10 December 2020 in English (English).
Hi,
I’ve recently got some flak about a
Hi Celine,
Thank you and your collaborators for taking the time to write this
document and thank you all for posting it to our community.
My greatest hope is that people will read it and really make an effort
to hear what you and others have been saying for a long time.
Hopefully, it keeps the
Hi Céline, hi all.
Like you, I'm just another participant in this list*. However, perhaps
it would be helpful to refer the existing etiquette guidelines adopted
by the OSMF ages ago: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette .
It's clear that Frederik's original post didn't abide by all
Sorry for adding to the noise but this is important. Quote from the
document:
Changes to form part of OSMFs agenda over the coming 1-2 years:
1.
Make Working Groups and OSM activities more equitable: the
Diversity and Inclusion special committee should actively work
Considering the reaction - especially strong in the USA, and the fact
that I'm a candidate to the Board of the Openstreetmap Foundation, I
suppose I have to make a statement of my position.
In preamble, I condemn the use of sexual assault metaphor - that has no
place anywhere.
In understand
I'm noticing a pattern here in the replies to this email:
Only men have replied. This is, unfortunately, par for the course on the
OSM mailing lists. The lack of discussion by non-men is an undeniable fact.
The simplest explanation for this is the systematic institutional hostility
towards women
Hi,
when I write something on a mailing list, it is clear that I am the
author and that I have to take responsibility for what I write. If I
write bullshit, people will rightly point out my mistakes. If I offend
someone, it is clear who the offending party is.
This document that you have
Hello,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 10:48 PM Maarten Deen wrote:
> I have been silent about this but when a document is drafted where only
> supporters will be heard, I have to speak out in Frederiks support.
> I have seen no systemic aggressive behaviour that demotivates and
> excludes participation
Celine Jacquin:
Hello everybody
I hope you are all well
I have not commented on this before because I thought it was better to just let
it pass.
It was not a very elegant email.
But it was not misogynistic.
I did not think it was offensive or dehumanizing.
Maybe Trumps words were, but that
The issue of diversity is complex. In Africa many of the locals whilst
feeling that it would be nice to have all local mappers they recognise
that the map would not be as complete without the armchair mappers.
Unfortunately when you work in technical areas often you'll see a group
build up
On 12/9/2020 2:34 PM, Maarten Deen wrote:
If you can not make an analogy then conversation and discussion is
lost and I do not see how this comment would degrade women.
Many in the world have the good fortune to live lives where the constant
threat of sexual assault is not an issue. To them,
(1)
I am strongly opposed to quota system
"Board Seat allocation for OSMF members who are women and non-cis males,
and who are citizens of Low and Middle Income Countries"
(also, note that it is "citizens of", not actually poor people, also looking at
Wikipedia
"this definition is not
I have been silent about this but when a document is drafted where only
supporters will be heard, I have to speak out in Frederiks support.
I have seen no systemic aggressive behaviour that demotivates and
excludes participation by women and minority groups in OSM or behaviour
that degrades the
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