Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Russ Nelson wrote: This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way. Are you mad? Bye Frederik ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: What's so hard about standardizing on the boolean values given appropriate changes to editor presets, good wiki documentation, and a deprecation period for other boolean values? It's a kind of slippery slope situation. There is fear that once it has been

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Frankie Roberto
When I say 'should', I mean 'should' in the sense of 'should if they want to make the widest use of data possible'. Obviously, there's a trade off between the amount of time/effort it takes to support more tags, and the extra data this gives you. In the case of yes/no vs true/false vs 1/0, I'm not

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: It's a kind of slippery slope situation. There is fear that once it has been proven that standardisation works for true/false values, there will be demands to standardise everything else as well. I think you are exagurating things a little, however

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Elizabeth Dodd wrote: For starters if the maintainers of JOSM Potlatch and Merkaartor encouraged the use of yes/no it would be a way forward. Potlatch does indeed have 'yes' (rather than 'true'

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Wants to Map Indoors, Too

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Alice Kaerast kaer...@qvox.org: Hang on, it's October 1st not April 1st!  In all seriousness though they won't be giving you their floorplans because it's a terrorist risk rather than the fact they're giving Google exclusive access. The slashdot subject was misleading, Google isn't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Protection time of ODbL

2009-10-01 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Hi, Was the answer to my question that nobody knows how long ODbL is protecting the data and it is impossible to tell it exactly? -Jukka Rahkonen- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] nginx and mod_tile

2009-10-01 Thread Stefan de Konink
NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too. Stefan Op 1 okt 2009 om 03:58 heeft John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:\ 2009/10/1 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org: hi, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote: No, he is a leader because we respect him.  THAT is how leaders in an anarchic state

Re: [OSM-talk] nginx and mod_tile

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too. URL? I tried to code something similar like this in php before but didn't get very far at the time, can your script

Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?

2009-10-01 Thread Nick Whitelegg
And as I said before I am 99.9% certain that this is not breach of copyright in the UK either. As I said before this is identical to the case where someone plans a route using an atlas then uploads their traces to OSM, using their own observations to tag the roads, not the atlas.

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:14:00 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: If we don't do that, then we'll get what we deserve: no leadership. Yes please, this project needs an active leader. There is currently too much undecided topics. As a reference please look how Fedora Project [1] is doing things. There

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:03:38 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Are you mad? Bye Frederik You are taking this out of context, and you obviously missed the point. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf,

Re: [OSM-talk] nginx and mod_tile

2009-10-01 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 John Smith schreef: 2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too. URL? I tried to code something similar like

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I connect to openstreetmap via wms so my web application can use openstreetmap as my base layer?

2009-10-01 Thread John Mitchell
Thanks, For the below link I noticed that the demo outputs the tiles as an epsg of 900913 is it also possible to output as an epsg of 4326 since our data is as 4326, and if you can output as 4326 will it line up with our other data. We found that with having google maps as the base layer that it

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Valent Turkovic wrote: Are you mad? You are taking this out of context, and you obviously missed the point. Not at all. Russ has called for dictatorial leadership which the project should follow even if there were absolutely nonsensical decisions. I don't know how any context could

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Liz
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: This is wrong. There are times when any project needs leadership. It's unreasonable for us to expect that every open source project leader will be willing to subject himself to ad-hominem arguments. We need to stand up for our leaders, and when they're

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Chris Jones
Russ Nelson wrote: I'm tired of this silly true/false 1/0 yes/no up/down left/right in/out fore/aft port/starboard debate/debacle. It's trivial, it's stupid, we could just as easily toss a coin as engage in any rational debate about how binary values should be expressed. This is just wrong.

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Mann
Picking up Ray's point that observing the back of the giveway sign is a rather indirect way of saying follow the road round to the right, the simplest/clearest is probably a relation on the through route linking the ways before/after the junction, saying this is the priority route through the

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-10-01 Thread David Earl
On 30/09/2009 22:05, Roy Wallace wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:35 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 30/09/2009 10:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you could model it like this (see attached, colours are just indicating the ways, not highway-classes) Yes, that's also what

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I connect to openstreetmap via wms so my web application can use openstreetmap as my base layer?

2009-10-01 Thread Rahkonen Jukka
Hi, Somehow I feel that you are not interested in real WMS but you mainly want tiles to be used as a background in some OpenLayers application. In that case normal, uncached WMS in not what you want. But if you want to get on-the-fly rendering with selectable layers, different projections and

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I can't understand how some of you seem to be yearning for a power figure that absolves you from thinking for yourselves just to make things simpler. You answered your own question: that's exactly what people want -

Re: [OSM-talk] nginx and mod_tile

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: I think it was on this list before; May have been before I joined... vserver!20!document_root = /var/www/tile.openstreetmap.nl/htdocs vserver!20!error_handler = error_redir vserver!20!error_handler!404!show = 0 vserver!20!error_handler!404!url =

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-10-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: It shows visually which the main road is at the junction and is a good model of the physical arrangement. IMHO it does not *explicitly* show the continuations of roads at the junction. And even if you do think it

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote: Dave F. writes: Russ Nelson wrote: -1. Don't confuse anarchy with chaos. SteveC is our leader (and should behave as such by Giving Advice), but he's only our leader so far as he gives Good Advice. A leader in an

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: If the consumers had to do less work then OSM would get *more* consumers. Which is half the point of the exercise, isn't it? Stop thinking in these terms, they don't work for OSM. The data OSM has to offer has a reasonable value; depending on who the customer is, using

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
SteveC wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 17:54, Dave F. wrote: SteveC wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 16:14, Russ Nelson wrote: SteveC writes: Yeah, OK Dave, we've got the message, you don't free-format tags. Unfortunately you're going to have to get used to it, because it is the basis of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson wrote: No, he is a leader because we respect him. THAT is how

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Liz
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: a consumer of the data has to do a bit more work but this is a small fee for free access to an amazing database. but what does it say about us to the outside world? are we portraying a forward looking group? are we portraying an indecisive group?

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-10-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/10/2009 11:47, Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: It shows visually which the main road is at the junction and is a good model of the physical arrangement. IMHO it does not *explicitly* show the continuations of roads at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: What's so hard about standardizing on the boolean values given appropriate changes to editor presets, good wiki documentation, and a deprecation period for other boolean values? It's a kind of slippery slope situation. There

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 Sep 2009, at 20:46 , Russ Nelson

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: I find it very disappointing you feel there is a them us situation. Yes, very disappointing but not every human being on earth happens to have an OSM account. We're working on it. Isn't that just putting an artificial middle man into the equation? The cool thing about

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Wants to Map Indoors, Too

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
John Smith wrote: I emailed westfields and centro, both are operators of shopping centres, about getting access to their floor plans in the various shopping centres they operate to add to OSM, unfortunately I received no reply at the time, maybe this is why. - An anonymous

[OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Fairhurst
...can we take the back-and-forths to IRC. talk@ is the most important communication channel for OSM and it's very rapidly becoming unreadable - all the I said, no you said, no I meant, no you meant. I've spoken to a handful of people in the last few days who have unsubscribed from talk@ as

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Alex Pleiner
* Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org [2009-10-01 11:50]: If we have open issues in the community that we cannot find a good solution to, then the reason for this is not that we simply lack a good Führer who tells us what is right and what is wrong; it is because these issues are difficult

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/9/30 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:49 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: It's at http://www.openstreetmap.pl/wp (see caveats below). Neat.  * Blue dots are wikipedia links, grey dots are other External Links (website= and url= tags).  

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Dave Stubbs wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: In the long term, standardisation would kill the project, and thus not be desirable even for our users. - Coming from the outside and not having the knowledge about OSM that we have, users can be forgiven to demand things that would ultimately destroy OSM, That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Dave F. wrote: I find it very disappointing you feel there is a them us situation. Yes, very disappointing but not every human being on earth happens to have an OSM account. We're working on it. Sorry Fredrik, but you /were/ talking about people already within

[OSM-talk] Is Cross posting allowed?

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Hi I notice some post the same message to multiple OSM forums. In usenet I'd get flamed for it. is it acceptable here? Ta Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The OpenStreetMap website is now translatable at Translatewiki

2009-10-01 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: I've now fixed Potlatch up so that it can be Translated on Translatewiki. Now it just needs to be imported into Translatewiki. I've put up a notice on the OSM wiki so that confused Translators won't use it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Liz
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: ...can we take the back-and-forths to IRC. talk@ is the most important communication channel for OSM and it's very rapidly becoming unreadable - all the I said, no you said, no I meant, no you meant. I've spoken to a handful of people in the last

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: Not at all. Russ has called for dictatorial leadership which the project should follow even if there were absolutely nonsensical decisions. WHOA!! I never said that. What I said was that if we can't choose, as a community, between yes/no, true/false, and 1/0, then

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
I'm tired of this silly true/false 1/0 yes/no up/down left/right in/out fore/aft port/starboard debate/debacle.  It's trivial, it's stupid, we could just as easily toss a coin as engage in any rational debate about how binary values should be expressed. When it prevents flickr etc from

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: can win, and I decided about 6 months ago to ignore (or at least not rise to) the eternally pointless tagging debate. The reason it's eternal is because there's no one to choose. Steve refuses to do it because too many people give him hell when he does, and nobody defends

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Frederik Ramm writes: On the other side we have the mappers who do not save, or earn, any money from OSM, and the programmers and server admins and everyone who uses their spare time to create and run OSM. On the other side you have mappers who want to create useful data, not a pile of

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC wrote: C'mon... freeform tags set the community free, if you have a better alternative please outline it? How about you stepping in where there is an unresolvable controvery, editing the wiki, and saying I recommend this choice -- SteveC. No Nazi goose-stepping required, no dictating,

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, andrzej zaborowski I never understood these arguments and want to encourage using a single wikipedia= tag. I never understood people who wants to have wikipedia urls in OSM data. It is not OSM role to point to wikipedia articles but wikipedia to point to OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Dave F. writes: This is just wrong. If SteveC says that mountain=green means that first there is a mountain, and that mountain=blue means there is no mountain, then damnit, we should do it that way. Sheesh, has Donovan lost all his currency? Oh my Lord, you've completely missed the

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/1 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: let's have a tagging list. But not here. +1 Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/10/2009 13:51, Russ Nelson wrote: Frederik Ramm writes: Not at all. Russ has called for dictatorial leadership which the project should follow even if there were absolutely nonsensical decisions. WHOA!! I never said that. What I said was that if we can't choose, as a community,

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: I never understood people who wants to have wikipedia urls in OSM data. It is not OSM role to point to wikipedia articles but wikipedia to point to OSM geodata. And this has to be done through lat/lon coordinates. in many cases it is interesting/usefull to

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Would it be a good compromise to say: 1. a software application should always check boolean against yes/true/1 and not only yes 2. the wiki shoudl recommend the yes 3. a bot is setup to replace regularly all values true or 1 by

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/1 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: let's have a tagging list. But not here. +1 +1 cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Matt Amos
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes:   can win, and I decided about 6 months ago to ignore (or at least not   rise to) the eternally pointless tagging debate. The reason it's eternal is because there's no one to choose. surely it has more to

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, andrzej zaborowski I never understood these arguments and want to encourage using a single wikipedia= tag. I never understood people who wants to have wikipedia urls in OSM data. It is not OSM role to point to wikipedia

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Peter Childs
2009/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Would it be a good compromise to say: 1. a software application should always check boolean against yes/true/1 and not only yes 2. the wiki shoudl recommend the yes 3. a bot is setup to

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Sybren A . Stüvel
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:18:58PM +0200, Pieren wrote: Would it be a good compromise to say: 1. a software application should always check boolean against yes/true/1 and not only yes 2. the wiki shoudl recommend the yes I agree on that. 3. a bot is setup to replace regularly all values

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/1 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: I'm tired of this silly true/false 1/0 yes/no up/down left/right in/out fore/aft port/starboard debate/debacle.  It's trivial, it's stupid, we could just as easily toss a coin as engage in any rational debate about how binary values should be

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: 3. a bot is setup to replace regularly all values true or 1 by yes and false or 0 by no (and nothing else). Wouldn't that waste CPU cycles and bloat the change files for almost no benefit? Wouldn't it be better if editors automated this before uploading?

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
There is one small problem with this suggestion, if most new users are invited to join this and other lists and the number of users are increasing at an exponential rate the number of messages will go up at an equal or greater rate, then what? ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Emilie Laffray
2009/10/1 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Either that, or let's have a tagging list. But not here. +1 Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Sam Vekemans
+1 I just submitted a ticket. http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2337 And made an entry in my diary about this *Dear OSM users : trac.openstreetmap.orghttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/acrosscanadatrails/diary/8129 * Hope that helps, Cheers Sam Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook:

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:28 PM, andrzej zaborowski No, this is just stupid. Uh, that's a good argument. I'm sure the group of wikipedian's setting up their own osm maps server will be happy to hear that. A page about a building or about a european route E30 has completely nothing to do with

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/1 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: There is one small problem with this suggestion, if most new users are invited to join this and other lists and the number of users are increasing at an exponential rate the number of messages will go up at an equal or greater rate, then what?

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Sajjad Anwar
+1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: The problem with this is that things are never that black and white there are aways shades of Grey. Simple Parsing might be quite happy with Yes/No or True/False, but 2 might mean something different to 1 while both can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Is Cross posting allowed?

2009-10-01 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: I notice some post the same message to multiple OSM forums. In usenet I'd get flamed for it. is it acceptable here? Yes. If it's applicable to the forums you're sending it to.

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:38 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: There is one small problem with this suggestion, if most new users are invited to join this and other lists and the number of users are increasing at an exponential rate the number of messages will go up at an equal or

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Peter Childs
2009/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org wrote: The problem with this is that things are never that black and white there are aways shades of Grey. Simple Parsing might be quite happy with Yes/No or True/False, but 2 might mean something

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: i absolutely agree. i'd also defend frederik's right to say this is the Frederik Ramm approved tagging scheme without catching grief, or andy to say it's the One True Gravitystorm way, etc... etc... Now we're getting somewhere. This goes back to an idea floated a while

[OSM-legal-talk] distribution

2009-10-01 Thread Greg Holloway
Hello, I hope i have picked the right list to ask these questions, please alow me to explain myself; I am a 4x4 off-roader and i have a laptop on the dash of my vehicle running memory map. I have been searching the internet for cheap detailed maps. I have had little success. I took the

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/1 Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com:   But things are just the other way round in OSM. The mapper is always   right, So there is no purpose to the JOSM validator?  No purpose to keepright?  No purpose to having presets?  I think you're exxagerating too make a point, Fredrick. they are

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: The idea behind that (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that anyone makes their own decisions (just like now) and in cases where people think they have a good definition they put this on some kind of special wiki page or database or whatever (tags I

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Matt Amos wrote: Sent: 01 October 2009 2:25 PM To: Russ Nelson Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes:   can win, and I decided about 6 months ago to ignore (or at least not  

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Frederik Ramm wrote: Sent: 01 October 2009 3:13 PM To: Matt Amos Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide Hi, Matt Amos wrote: i absolutely agree. i'd also defend frederik's right to say this is the Frederik Ramm approved tagging scheme without catching grief, or

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
John Smith wrote: Sent: 01 October 2009 3:23 PM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide 2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: The idea behind that (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that anyone makes their own decisions (just like now) and

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com: John Smith wrote: Sent: 01 October 2009 3:23 PM To: Frederik Ramm Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide 2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: The idea behind that (and correct me if I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com: So I agree with Matt. To me its not the tags that need controls it’s the process by which we select them. Mostly I guess tags (as the originator of Map Features I can remember most of the basics and have a good idea, my

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Russ Nelson wrote: On the other side you have mappers who want to create useful data, not a pile of random rubbish. No-one wants to create random rubbish. What people do want is to be able to describe what they've just mapped without needing prior approval from the OpenStreetMap Tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread Tobias Knerr
Pieren wrote: I never understood people who wants to have wikipedia urls in OSM data. It is not OSM role to point to wikipedia articles but wikipedia to point to OSM geodata. And this has to be done through lat/lon coordinates. lat/lon coordinates aren't an ideal solution for this. Imagine

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
yes he is a leader and as such deserves respect. he should lead some useful and intelligent projects and don't loose a word about this childish 1/0/yes/no/true/false discussions. a consumer of the data has to do a bit more work but this is a small fee for free access to an amazing database.

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread malenki
Liz wrote: Thankyou for this suggestion, but it doesn't deal with the needs of multiple time zones and asynchronous communication - or simply catching up after a few days away. What I would like to see is a search which looks only into osm*-stuff: mails, forum and wiki. With good hits it would

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Dave F.
Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, malenki o...@malenki.ch mailto:o...@malenki.ch wrote: Liz wrote: Thankyou for this suggestion, but it doesn't deal with the needs of multiple time zones and asynchronous communication - or simply catching up after a few days

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread malenki
Ian Dees wrote: http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=015487330990472192076:qvmeg3q9qus Thanks. (not mentioning the usual google-blah ;)) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links

2009-10-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/10/1 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:28 PM, andrzej zaborowski Uh, that's a good argument. I'm sure the group of wikipedian's setting up their own osm maps server will be happy to hear that. That effort has completely different goals and again it's to prettify the

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: There is one small problem with this suggestion, if most new users are invited to join this and other lists and the number of users are increasing at an exponential rate the number of messages will go up at an equal or

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: Then the people who are mailing more than their fair share of posts will be asked to post less often. Hopefully they will realise that every time they post to the list it's delivered to 1,000s of others and they should keep their contributions under

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Ulf Lamping
Jonathan Bennett schrieb: Russ Nelson wrote: On the other side you have mappers who want to create useful data, not a pile of random rubbish. No-one wants to create random rubbish. What people do want is to be able to describe what they've just mapped without needing prior approval from

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:15 AM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.comwrote: All of the people I've talked to here in my area would love to see a tagging scheme to be able to map the stuff they see on the ground. They wouldn't care less where this standard was coming from - even if it would

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Ulf Lamping
Roy Wallace schrieb: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote: What you and others simply fail to explain is why the success story from three years ago with a fraction of mappers and data must be the best solution for the situation we have today ...

Re: [OSM-talk] Clarifying and representing road markings at junctions

2009-10-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:35 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Ah, so are you saying that, in Martin's attached image, the red way and the yellow way should/could meet at the junction? If so, then IMHO it is even *less* clear that, e.g. traveling from the red to the grey way is

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - ( tag:landuse=garages )

2009-10-01 Thread Kirill (Zkir)
Hi All, If there is no new comments for this proposal (in the discussion page) in the next two days, it's status will be set to 'voting'. _ From: Кирилл [mailto:mekil...@yandex.ru] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:50 AM To: 'talk@openstreetmap.org' Subject: [tagging] Feature

[OSM-talk] Using osm2pgsql can I import into postgres in a projection other than Spherical Mercator (epsg:900913) like wgs84 (epsg:4326)

2009-10-01 Thread John Mitchell
Hi, Your documentation states for using osm2pqsql (listed below) : *Before you can use osm2pqsql for the first time with

Re: [OSM-talk] Using osm2pgsql can I import into postgres in a projection other than Spherical Mercator (epsg:900913) like wgs84 (epsg:4326)

2009-10-01 Thread Emilie Laffray
To import into 4326, use the parameter -l Emilie Laffray 2009/10/1 John Mitchell mitchellj...@gmail.com Hi, Your documentation states for using osm2pqsql (listed below) :

Re: [OSM-talk] Using osm2pgsql can I import into postgres in a projection other than Spherical Mercator (epsg:900913) like wgs84 (epsg:4326)

2009-10-01 Thread John Mitchell
So for the osm2pgsql command I add -l to it. Correct? On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Emilie Laffray emilie.laff...@gmail.comwrote: To import into 4326, use the parameter -l Emilie Laffray 2009/10/1 John Mitchell mitchellj...@gmail.com Hi, Your documentation states for using osm2pqsql

Re: [OSM-talk] Using osm2pgsql can I import into postgres in a projection other than Spherical Mercator (epsg:900913) like wgs84 (epsg:4326)

2009-10-01 Thread Thomas Wood
$ osm2pgsql --help osm2pgsql SVN version 0.65-14123 Usage: osm2pgsql [options] planet.osm osm2pgsql [options] planet.osm.{gz,bz2} osm2pgsql [options] file1.osm file2.osm file3.osm This will import the data from the OSM file(s) into a PostgreSQL database suitable for use

Re: [OSM-talk] Using osm2pgsql can I import into postgres in a projection other than Spherical Mercator (epsg:900913) like wgs84 (epsg:4326)

2009-10-01 Thread John Mitchell
Thanks, For the below information it noted that: *This will import the data from the OSM file(s) into a PostgreSQL database suitable for use by the Mapnik renderer* I am assuming that this command will also work correctly if my renderer is instead geoserver since I already have been using

Re: [OSM-talk] Flickr Now Supports OSM Tags

2009-10-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Apollinaris Schoell writes: don't think so. the ones doing the hard work in the background rarely contribute to these childish discussions because they DO something useful instead wasting their time. First, you're contributing to these childish discussions as well; why criticize

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