[OSM-talk] using indic fonts with josm

2009-10-20 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
Hi, I have indic fonts installed in my machine, but when I try to type them in josm, I just get little boxen - how does one install indic (or any font) font support in josm? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
Hello, based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German board I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft In addition to this proposal I would like to discuss the tag resource. In my proposal resourc

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Peter Childs
2009/10/20 Lesi > Hello, > > based on an old (abandoned) proposal and on a discussion in the German > board > I have created a new proposal for tagging mineshafts: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft > > In addition to this proposal I would like to discuss the tag r

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Peter Childs wrote: > I agree standardizing on resource might be a good idea but we might need > resource_output and resource_input or somthing Are you an economist? from my worldview which deals with people and biological systems i don't see an importance in designating wher

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> there are mineshafts and BIG mineshafts and open cut mines > and mining in english has its own language to describe the parts of the > mine For open cut mines there is another draft. IMO they are something completly different. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore -> disused=yes lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Someoneelse
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=mineshaft" and no references to "surf

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution

2009-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Tom Hughes wrote: > The main issue of debate surrounds exactly what forms of attribution > are/are not valid. And this is not made easier by the fact that what is valid and what not is not the community's decision but (within the confines of the license text) that of the individual contrib

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as > currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=mineshaft" and no > references to "surface_mining". Do you know what people are using > currently? In the area I map the mineshafts are currently not mapped at all. A

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> and no references to "surface_mining" There is also landuse=quarry which can be used for surface mines. But actually they are not part of my proposal - it refers only to underground mining. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/20 Someoneelse : >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining > > It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as > currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=minesha

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Lesi : >> It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as >> currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=mineshaft" and no >> references to "surface_mining".  Do you know what people are using >> currently? > > In the area I map the mineshafts are currentl

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution

2009-10-20 Thread Sam Larsen
- Original Message > From: Frederik Ramm > To: Licensing and other legal discussions. > Sent: Tuesday, 20 October, 2009 13:13:31 > Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Proper attribution > > Hi, > > Tom Hughes wrote: > > The main issue of debate surrounds exactly what forms of attribution

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/20 John Smith : > There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped > because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked > there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't > get anywhere near it. You're missing the point: this is not abo

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/20 John Smith : >> There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped >> because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked >> there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't >> get anywhere near it. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore -> disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to add an extra level of indirection, so that

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped > because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked > there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn't > get anywhere near it. I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your argu

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: > >>> how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? >> >> If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore >> -> disused=yes >> > > Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to > add an extra level of indi

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Lesi : > I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your argument half > of the features of OSM should not be mapped e.g. historic=wreck or streets > within the ground of a factory. And once again: mineshafts which have a > headframe are very good points of reference. Often

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:44, Lesi wrote: On 20 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Lesi wrote: how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore -> disused=yes Do NOT use something like disused=yes as a modifier, you instead need to ad

[OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread maning sambale
Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to josm/merkaartor/potlatch? If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for post-disaster efforts (Typhoon Kestana and Parma) in some areas in the Philipp

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale wrote: > Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to > josm/merkaartor/potlatch? * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one rastersymbolizer * Run generate_tiles.py to make google-projection tiles * Put th

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL "virality" questions

2009-10-20 Thread Matt Amos
On 10/16/09, Erik Johansson wrote: > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> >> Erik Johansson wrote: >>> Open Database License (ODbL) >>> “Attribution and Share-Alike for Data/Databases” >> >> Yep. Exactly. >> >> CC-BY-SA, famously, allows you to combine different types o

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Jason Cunningham
I worried that the use of language might prove to be confusing and the the buildings associated with a mine should have a separate tag. 1. Mineshaft may exist but we are going to be mapping the location mine entrances, not the tunnel leading away from the mine entrance. In the future someone may wa

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread Dane Springmeyer
On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Andy Allan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale > wrote: >> Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to >> josm/merkaartor/potlatch? > > * Create a mapnik style that has one layer (the geotiff) and one > rastersymbolizer > * R

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Dane Springmeyer wrote: > Nice Andy. > > If I can help let me know as well. In Mapnik trunk I've been working on > adding support for GDAL overviews, so using gdaladdo on that large Geotiff > and then reading it with the 'gdal' datasource could be really useful if

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> 1. Mineshaft may exist but we are going to be mapping > the location mine entrances, not the tunnel leading away from > the mineentrance. In the future someone may want to map the 'way' > that the mineshaft follows especially if its a horizontal tunnel going > into a hillside > 2. What we want t

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> I think you are mixing up audits and mineshafts. Mineshafts always go > verticaly or almost-verticaly into the ground. You are talking about > adits, > that is something completly different and should be dealed with in another > proposal. See Wikipedia for definitions of these terms. Of course I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the > OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Instead you > should use something like old_amenity=cafe, or > amenity=closed;closed=cafe, that way there won't be any confusion. I agree with you, but at the moment disu

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: > The > area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. Too broad a definition industrial covers too much mining is quite different a landuse heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then have to rehabilitate the area in the sa

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: > Having winding gears is the main purpose of a headframe IMO. but when the mine shaft is disused the winding gear is removed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tal

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Liz
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Someoneelse wrote: > no > references to "surface_mining". Do you know what people are using > currently? I've used quarry for an open cut mine, but it isn't appropriate for the size of feature involved. ___ talk mailing list talk@

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Shaun McDonald wrote: > If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the OSM > data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. But a disused mineshaft is still a mineshaft, it's just an abandoned one. > As another example for when a road i

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC-(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Liz
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: > Of course I meant adit and not audit. Some people would call it a gallery. In Australia I've heard level gallery stopes and probably some other words i've forgotten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Liz
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Jason Cunningham wrote: > 4. The term Headframe is used to describe a Pit Head, which is confusing. > More problems with language use. Pit Head appears to be the correct term > for the building or structure. I don't claim to be an expert on mining language but pit head is the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> industrial covers too much > mining is quite different a landuse > heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then > have > to rehabilitate the area in the same way as mining I was already planning to start a proposal for heaps. At the moment I use natural=peak. lesi

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
> > but when the mine shaft is disused the winding gear is removed I can not confirm this. All disused mineshafts I know still have their winding gear, only the cables are removed. But even if the winding gear is removed you can tag with headframe=yes. Of courde, if the whole headframe is r

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
>> > how will you tag unmined deposits in such a scheme? >> >> If there is a unmined deposit, the mineshaft is not in use anymore -> >> disused=yes. >> >> lesi > I wasn't thinking of disused, i was thinking of still there, with or > without a > mineshaft Perhaps, my English is too bad, but I do n

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Lesi
>> Underground resources can not be mapped. > why not? > isn't that what a geology map does? > > I was commenting on the resource proposal really > Now I get your point. The resource-tag describes for which resource the mineshaft was built. If the mineshaft is disused, it is irrelevant if the dep

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
maning sambale gmail.com> writes: > > Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to > josm/merkaartor/potlatch? > > If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host? This is for > tracing features on a donated high-res images (0.6 meters) for > post-disaster efforts (Typh

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/10/20 Liz : > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Lesi wrote: >>  The >> area of the mine can be tagged with landuse=industrial. > Too broad  a definition > > industrial covers too much > mining is quite different a landuse > heavy industry doesn't build up piles of waste (mullock heaps) and then have > to r

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread maning sambale
Ah that easy?! Look so simple versus a WMS configuration. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Andy Allan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale > wrote: >> Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to >> josm/merkaartor/potlatch? > > * Create a mapnik style t

Re: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors

2009-10-20 Thread maning sambale
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > maning sambale gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Any advice on loading georectfied imagery (very large geotiff) to >> josm/merkaartor/potlatch? >> >> If WMS is the only option, anybody willing to host?  This is for >> tracing features on a donated

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Dave F.
Someoneelse wrote: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining >> > > It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as > currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=mine

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Dave F.
Shaun McDonald wrote: > If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the > OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a widely used tag. Cheers Dave F.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Dave F.
Lesi wrote: > I was already planning to start a proposal for heaps. At the moment I use > natural=peak. Not sure what to use at the moment, but they're definitely not natural. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.ope

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Shaun McDonald wrote: >> If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the >> OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. > Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. > > You should be writing a post asking why they

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Dave F. wrote: >> Shaun McDonald wrote: >>> If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the >>> OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. >> Don't map for the renderer, router etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Tobias Knerr
Dave F.: > Shaun McDonald wrote: >> If you just add a disused=yes, pretty much nothing that works with the >> OSM data will recognise that it is no longer a cafe. > Don't map for the renderer, router etc. etc. > > You should be writing a post asking why they don't recognise such a > widely used

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Because tags like disused=yes conflict with a general principle in OSM: > We don't have a fixed set of tags and mappers can invent and use their > own tags, so it should be possible for software to ignore tags it > doesn't know without causing

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Ulf Lamping
Anthony schrieb: > Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no > problem. Disused quarry, yes. > > But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which > is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the definition. Well, yes and no. People might remember that

[OSM-talk] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Thread SteveC
Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for talk-us to grow to a sizable level and then begin spinning off as required, like we did with the other lists. Yours &c. Steve _

[OSM-talk] Vanuatu

2009-10-20 Thread Andrew Errington
Hi all, I received some GPS traces from someone in Vanuatu. He had had them for some time, but didn't have the opportunity to slice them up and upload them. I took the data and used gpsbabel to split the entire GPS log into daily chunks which coincided with manageable trip segments. I checked t

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread Peter Childs
2009/10/21 Ulf Lamping > Anthony schrieb: > > Disused canal, fine. Disused railway, sure. Disused building, no > > problem. Disused quarry, yes. > > > > But disused cafe? A cafe is a building, or part of a building, which > > is *used* as a cafe. The use is part of the definition. > > Well,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC wrote: >> Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be >> reposts of talk-us. >> >> Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for >> talk-u

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-ca] SOTM 2010 Bid for Ottawa?

2009-10-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Thanks Yves, yup, i DEFINATLY support the idea of Barcelona for the 2010 SOTM, (i saw on the talk-au list that maybe 2011 would be great for Austrailia, and maybe 2012 for Canada. (we should be all imported by then) :) and yes, if you can help on the sotm planning side, i think is Henk who is a