Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, a technical solution is sought, to display the corresponding information whenever linz-sourced data is being viewed. And it is ok for them that whatever clever technical attribution scheme you devise is immediately switched off when OSM maps are viewed through something else than

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread 80n
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sent: 18 March 2008 10:54 AM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand Robin Paulson wrote: (c) Crown Copyright

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Michael Collinson
At 12:48 PM 3/18/2008, 80n wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Sent: 18 March 2008 10:54 AM To: mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.orglegal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk]

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread 80n
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Thank you for making your xyz data available. We are incorporating it into a worldwide free open mapping project http:// www.openstreetmap.org, the purposes of which is described in more detail at http://wiki

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Robin Paulson
On 18/03/2008, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: (c) Crown Copyright w00t, Robin found his Shift key! ;) thanks, incredibly constructive. haven't you got something better to do? ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robin Paulson wrote: On 18/03/2008, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Paulson wrote: (c) Crown Copyright w00t, Robin found his Shift key! ;) thanks, incredibly constructive. haven't you got something better to do? What, something better than having a sense of humour? No,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, This could take a little while, so we're thinking of changing the language of _new_ user signups to instead of releasing their work as CC, but as CC _or_ the ODL if the rest of the community vote on it. 1. It is, in my eyes, far from clear what exactly the community will vote on (will

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Robin Paulson
On 19/03/2008, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What, something better than having a sense of humour? No, probably not. Alternatively, you could respond to the seven lines of constructive, substantive suggestion I made below that. But - oh look - you appear to have snipped that.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robin Paulson wrote: i ignore people's suggestions when their first response is something in that tone. maybe if you want your point to be taken seriously you should make it in a serious way? 'k. Personally I find it more helpful to assess people's suggestions according to the value of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 05:38:37PM +, SteveC wrote: Richard, Andy and I just had a conference call to review where we are with the license. Progress is going well. We've engaged Jordan and sent off the changes we suggested to him, he is integrating them and will be releasing a new

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Dominic Hargreaves wrote: I haven't been following recent OSM licence debates at all, but why not also offer the choice of licensing contributions under the PDDL[1] also? This does not prevent people from including such contributions in an ODL-licensed dataset. This would effectively

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Charles Basenga Kiyanda
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, This could take a little while, so we're thinking of changing the language of _new_ user signups to instead of releasing their work as CC, but as CC _or_ the ODL if the rest of the community vote on it. 1. It is, in my eyes, far from clear what exactly

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Charles Basenga Kiyanda wrote: I'm also wondering. How can one legally agree to release a contribution under a license which is unfinished? Or am I misunderstanding the situation and the ODL is in fact done? Technically speaking the user would be licensing their contributions under the

[OSM-talk] Blind People and OSM

2008-03-18 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
hi, as mentioned above, yesterday we was at a radio talk-show to launch the milano micro mapping party initiative. During the broadcast, a blind listener wrote us an email asking if the data are suitable for blind people. It could be of extreme interest to add information usefull for blind

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server

2008-03-18 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is correct. When the --slim option was working the entire import was IO bound and took several times longer than the RAM approach. You could try ionice but I don't think that helps control swap IO. I looked at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Blind People and OSM

2008-03-18 Thread Nick Black
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Edoardo Marascalchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, as mentioned above, yesterday we was at a radio talk-show to launch the milano micro mapping party initiative. During the broadcast, a blind listener wrote us an email asking if the data are suitable for

Re: [OSM-talk] article in Geo Informatics Magazine - good coverage of OSM

2008-03-18 Thread Artem Pavlenko
On 17 Mar 2008, at 22:24, martin dodge wrote: See pages 28-31 in flash version http://fluidbook.microdesign.nl/geoinformatics/02-2008/ or (big) pdf of whole magazine for downlown http://fluidbook.microdesign.nl/geoinformatics/02-2008/data/ document.pdf The infrastructure of

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] targhe magnetiche

2008-03-18 Thread Edoardo Marascalchi
Simone Cortesi ha scritto: On 3/18/08, Edoardo Marascalchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ho comprato da loro per altre cose, hanno anche targhe magnetiche per auto (vengono circa 5euro l'una comprese le spese di spedizione). Attenzione: le targhe magnetiche comportano il pagamento della

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-it] targhe magnetiche

2008-03-18 Thread Simone Cortesi
On 3/18/08, Edoardo Marascalchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ho comprato da loro per altre cose, hanno anche targhe magnetiche per auto (vengono circa 5euro l'una comprese le spese di spedizione). Attenzione: le targhe magnetiche comportano il pagamento della tassa di concessione

[OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Robin Paulson
land information new zealand is a government org that holds data on roads and properties for the entirety of new zealand. they have recently given permission to use their data sets in osm, with a caveat that we include an attribution statement: Contains data sourced from Land Information New

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server

2008-03-18 Thread Steve Hill
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: I looked at the code the other day and it seemed rather inefficient. Fixing it will be a PITA though... Would be very nice though, I'm think of looking into it when I have time... I was pondering rewriting it from scratch with the aim to

[OSM-talk] OSM Article

2008-03-18 Thread SteveC
Dear Florian Fischer Thank you for the article on OpenStreetMap - it's great to see us mentioned in geoinformatics. Unfortunately there is one small error: The infrastructure of OpenStreetMap is based on Geoserver (based on GeoTools) and many pieces of free software that have been developed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: And it is ok for them that whatever clever technical attribution scheme you devise is immediately switched off when OSM maps are viewed through something else than osm.org (e.g. informationfreeway, cyclemap, ...) whom you cannot force to use your technical solution?

Re: [OSM-talk] we are a google summer of code project

2008-03-18 Thread Steve Chilton
That is brilliant. I am happy to tout for potential students in the computer science dept at this university, but don't think saying to the head of computing Oi, check out this URL and pointing to the wiki page will be very fruitfull. Could someone please write a very short blurb to put it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Tourist/Leisure Trails

2008-03-18 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 14:33 -0400, Blake Crosby wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, There is already a page in the wiki for trails (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapping/Features/Trail), but this is really just tagging a way with permitted usage (such as footpath,

Re: [OSM-talk] Tourist/Leisure Trails

2008-03-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
Rodrigo Moya wrote: Sent: 18 March 2008 10:49 AM To: Blake Crosby Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tourist/Leisure Trails On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 14:33 -0400, Blake Crosby wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, There is already a page in the wiki for trails

Re: [OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: land information new zealand is a government org that holds data on roads and properties for the entirety of new zealand. they have recently given permission to use their data sets in osm, with a caveat that we include

[OSM-talk] Price of GPS units in Europe or US

2008-03-18 Thread maning sambale
Hi, I want to ask the community how much a regular GPS cost in your country. In the Philippines a local supplier charges approximately 530 U.S. dollars for a GARMIN Etrex Legend CX. This one is pretty much expensive. Bulk orders from another country could be much cheaper even with additional

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Article

2008-03-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
SteveC wrote: OL is the slippy map on the front page. The rest of it is custom ruby on rails. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Component_overview is helpful. (The main editors are JOSM [Java] and Potlatch [Flash]; the main renderers are Mapnik [C++] and Osmarender [XSLT/SVG]. There

Re: [OSM-talk] Tourist/Leisure Trails

2008-03-18 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Rodrigo Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 10:55 +, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Rodrigo Moya wrote: Sent: 18 March 2008 10:49 AM To: Blake Crosby Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Tourist/Leisure Trails

Re: [OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Tom Chance
Hello, On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:03:48 +, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: land information new zealand is a government org that holds data on roads and properties for the entirety of new zealand. they have

Re: [OSM-talk] Contours server (was: Re: ski pistes)

2008-03-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Steve Hill wrote: Contours layer presented by openpistemap is simply great. Does it exist a server publishing only this layer? There is still the relief layer available, using addresses like http://srtm.in-ulm.de/layer/relief/z8/row89/8_134-89.jpg The tutorial on how to use these is here:

Re: [OSM-talk] we are a google summer of code project

2008-03-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Mikel Maron wrote: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=284 Cool. Would many students please apply now between March 24 and March 31st for a project on our Wiki? A link to our wiki page and idea pool is here: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/streetmap/about.html Sebastian

Re: [OSM-talk] Price of GPS units in Europe or US

2008-03-18 Thread Karl Newman
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to ask the community how much a regular GPS cost in your country. In the Philippines a local supplier charges approximately 530 U.S. dollars for a GARMIN Etrex Legend CX. Cheapest mail-order price in

Re: [OSM-talk] Blind People and OSM

2008-03-18 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Edoardo Marascalchi wrote: | hi, | as mentioned above, yesterday we was at a radio talk-show to launch the | milano micro mapping party initiative. | During the broadcast, a blind listener wrote us an email asking if the | data are suitable for blind

Re: [OSM-talk] Price of GPS units in Europe or US

2008-03-18 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 18 de Marzo de 2008, maning sambale escribió: I want to ask the community how much a regular GPS cost in your country. In the Philippines a local supplier charges approximately 530 U.S. dollars for a GARMIN Etrex Legend CX. This one is pretty much expensive. Bulk orders from

[OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights.

2008-03-18 Thread simon
Hi, This type of junction is very common here in Calgary, I just wanted to confirm that I'm constructed it correctly. It's basically two divided carriage ways (parallel, opposite one way streets with curb or larger seperator) crossing at a set of traffic lights. In addition there are normally

[OSM-talk] License update

2008-03-18 Thread SteveC
Richard, Andy and I just had a conference call to review where we are with the license. Progress is going well. We've engaged Jordan and sent off the changes we suggested to him, he is integrating them and will be releasing a new version. Once released he will consult with other interested

Re: [OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights.

2008-03-18 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 18 March 2008 5:03 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights. Hi, This type of junction is very common here in Calgary, I just wanted to confirm that I'm constructed it correctly. It's basically two divided

Re: [OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights.

2008-03-18 Thread Dermot McNally
On 18/03/2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks good to me. The routing will take into account that you can't travel the wrong way down a one way street. True, but that's only half the battle. It won't take you down the wrong street. However, it may instruct you to

Re: [OSM-talk] mapping with nokia 9500

2008-03-18 Thread mariner
Adam Boardman wrote: Do you have the openstreetmap on it? Download from the phone over wifi at home (or gprs if I'm someplace I wasnt expecting in advance). nice software.. but i don't understand how the donwload of maps is going on. Can I download a map without being there in the

Re: [OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Robin Paulson
On 19/03/2008, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the key is the attribution at present there is no method for attributing data in osm, so this is a call to all: I presume you've verified that putting it on the OSM web site would not be adequate? I think there needs to be a

Re: [OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights.

2008-03-18 Thread Alex S.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PPS. What's the best way to mark pedestrian overpasses/foot bridges? highway=foot bridge=yes layer=1 Can you specify the height restriction for road underneath? Sure. Place a node on the road under the bridge, and mark the node with maxheight=. Assumed to be

Re: [OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Cartinus
On Tuesday 18 March 2008 23:43:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem I can see with this is that the source attribute can be altered (or stripped). Which is as it should be. If an object originating from that import is significantly altered later, then it should be possible to reflect this

Re: [OSM-talk] import of dataset for new zealand

2008-03-18 Thread Robin Paulson
On 19/03/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is as it should be. If an object originating from that import is significantly altered later, then it should be possible to reflect this in the source tag. of course, defining 'significantly altered' becomes an issue maybe

Re: [talk-au] Sydney cycle routes

2008-03-18 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Ian Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I mentioned before to Franc, a blue sign does not a cycle route make. True. I don't believe there has ever been a RTA, or Sydney wide numbering system for cycle routes. I did some digging today and came up with

Re: [talk-au] Sydney cycle routes

2008-03-18 Thread Stephen Hope
In the Brisbane Metro area, Pine Rivers shire (soon to be part of Moreton Bay) has maps available of bike routes. I looked at one to see how many there would be to map in the region. From what I can tell, they've marked every wide footpath on the map, as well as shared walkways through parks

Re: [Talk-de] Versorgungstunnel

2008-03-18 Thread Michael Schulze
Morgen, On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 06:43 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: es gibt keinen offiziellen. Ich verwende einfach amenity=park_bench. Wie sinnvoll es ist Parkbänke zu mappen weiß ich nicht, aber wenn mir welche über den Weg laufen nehme ich sie mit. Ich wollte das auch schon öfters mal

Re: [Talk-de] Yahoo Bilder in JOSM und Osmarender-Problem mit Firefox

2008-03-18 Thread Martin Simon
Am 17.03.08 schrieb Christian Karrié [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ich sehe die ganze Sache mit den Luftbildern mit einem weinenden und einem lachenden Auge. + gut für die Übersicht, wo z.B. jetzt nochmals die Brücke ist oder Imrisse von Wäldern - schlecht für Strassen, Gebäude. Es passt einfach nicht

[Talk-de] Re. Parkbänke

2008-03-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Moin, Wir wollen ja eine offene Plattform sein, und ein solcher Tunnel ist es sicherlich wert, gespeichert zu sein (mindestens so sehr wie eine Parkbank oder Stromleitung, wie von manchen Leuten gemapt). was bitte gibt es an Leuten auszusetzen, die Parkb?nke mappen? ;) Natürlich gar

[Talk-de] [Hamburg] Treffen April

2008-03-18 Thread Michael Buege
Moin Das naechste Treffen soll in den Raeumen des CCC stattfinden. Das geht nicht an einem Dienstag. Es stehen jetzt mehrere Termine zur Auswahl. Bitte auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Hamburger_Mappertreffen diskutieren. Michael ___

[Talk-de] FrOSCon 2008 - OSM-Stand?

2008-03-18 Thread Martin Simon
Hallo! Auch dieses Jahr wird die Fachhochschule Bonn-Rhein-Sieg in Sankt Augustin bei Bonn wieder die Konferenz rund um freie Software veranstalten - und zwar vom 23. bis 24.8.2008. (http://www.froscon.de/) Ich habe dort letztes Jahr meine erste Konferenz dieser Art mitgemacht (ich studiere

Re: [Talk-de] Yahoo Bilder in JOSM und Osmarender-Problem mit Firefox

2008-03-18 Thread Dermot McNally
On 17/03/2008, Christian Karrié [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - schlecht für Strassen, Gebäude. Es passt einfach nicht mit den GPS-Koordinaten überein, es leitet einen dazu an, Wege auf Basis der Luftbilder zu generieren. Jedoch ist die Verzerrung in manchen Gebieten sehr groß und deshalb nur

Re: [Tortoisehg-develop] [PATCH 1 of 4] tortoise/iconoverlay: Use TortoiseOverlays.dll for overlays

2008-03-18 Thread TK Soh
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Peer Sommerlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19/03/2008, TK Soh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # HG changeset patch # User Peer Sommerlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Date 1205879355 -3600 # Node ID

[Talk-GB] UK rights of way specific info added to Trail page

2008-03-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Have added specific info about UK rights of way to the Trail page; I believe this matches what common practice is. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapping/Features/Trail Please let me know if there's anything wildly inaccurate there. Thanks, Nick