[OSM-talk] AND of India is not aligned with coastlines

2008-05-12 Thread Erik Johansson
I don't know much about AND (Automotive Navigation Data, or AND Data :-)), but it seems kind of horrible in Mumbai. It's great to have data, but won't this be a bad thing for Openstreetmap rather than a good thing? Roads are off a couple of houndred meters.

Re: [OSM-talk] AND of India is not aligned with coastlines

2008-05-12 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Erik Johansson wrote: I don't know much about AND (Automotive Navigation Data, or AND Data :-)), but it seems kind of horrible in Mumbai. It's great to have data, but won't this be a bad thing for Openstreetmap rather than a good thing? Roads are off a couple of houndred meters.

[OSM-talk] How to rollback the edits a new user made by mistake

2008-05-12 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
Hello, yesterday I noticed some bad edits in a zone I'm mapping. I contacted the author (Israfil) and he promptly answered saying that it was a mistake, not knowing that it was editing the real map. Some are new lines: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.5049lon=11.2177zoom=14layers=0BFT

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 0.9a

2008-05-12 Thread Axel von Matern
Hi! Thanks for the update! Just got an issue with the new feature. Its really dangerous to be able to shift whole ways that easy. What happens is I accidently moved a large lake and then polatch bugged out due to memory issues. When logged back in, the lake where gone. Now I dont know how

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Sun, 11 May 2008, 80n wrote: highway=road This is suitably vague, but has a clear enough meaning. Ah, ok - does this get rendered? (It isn't on Map_Features - maybe it should be). - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jeffrey Martin wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the road? I tend to do fixme=Road continues or fixme=Footway continues. Although to be honest, in most cases for roads I either follow them as far as they go (when I am

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the road? I can't speak for the other 33,000 contributors, but I (and a few others I know of) simply use isolated nodes as a kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 09:38, Steve Hill wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jeffrey Martin wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the road? I tend to do fixme=Road continues or fixme=Footway continues. I put name=whatever (tbc) so it is clear to someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Franc Carter
Back when I started OSMing, I came across the tag 'complete=no', so this is what I tend to use On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2008, Jeffrey Martin wrote: Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but we didn't continue down the

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 0.9a

2008-05-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Axel von Matern wrote: Just got an issue with the new feature. Its really dangerous to be able to shift whole ways that easy. That should be fixed in 0.9a - it's more reluctant to move ways than 0.9 was. What happens is I accidently moved a large lake and then polatch bugged out due to

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread 80n
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2008, 80n wrote: highway=road This is suitably vague, but has a clear enough meaning. Ah, ok - does this get rendered? (It isn't on Map_Features - maybe it should be). No. But you are welcome to add

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

2008-05-12 Thread elvin ibbotson
I'm grouping a replies to several posts for this topic... On 9 May 2008, at 19:13, Jeffrey Martin wrote: Typos in real words are easier to detect than a mistake in entering a number. In the scenario I was suggesting numbers would only replace words for type tags and users would never

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Mon, 12 May 2008, 80n wrote: Ah, ok - does this get rendered? (It isn't on Map_Features - maybe it should be). No. But you are welcome to add it to any of the rendering engines. Ok, I'll look into doing so. What is the procedure for adding this sort of thing? Just post a patch on the

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER mapping party

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:26 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I and others have been doing a lot of fixing of TIGER data all over the US. There is still a lot to do and Richard has added some really useful features to potlatch to speed it up. I was thinking of running a TIGER mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 11:59, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Posted to talk and dev This post really follows on from my consideration of Completeness metrics. A number of experienced OSMers who have mapped out there areas have either contacted me directly or posted through the lists about

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

2008-05-12 Thread Chris Jones
I don't think we want another server. I can already demonstrate it: I am currently experimenting with binary data downloads for my mobile OSM viewer, mom http://mom.poco.org.uk/. I need data for scales from 3 (just coastlines and country boundaries for enormous areas) to scale 15 (almost

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

2008-05-12 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 12 May 2008 11:50:15 elvin ibbotson wrote: If, for   example, the feature types were structured using a numerical system   such that  so that all natural features began with 0, all highways   with 1, etc, but everything needed at scales smaller than 5 ended   with numbers smaller

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

2008-05-12 Thread Cartinus
On Friday 09 May 2008 11:27:21 elvin ibbotson wrote: Much debate centres around the way features are tagged and how they   are rendered (for example recent discussion of golf course tagging,   the term 'highway', rendering power lines,...) and it seems that much   of this is inextricably

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 0.9a

2008-05-12 Thread Axel von Matern
Hi! The problems seem to get more bizarre... on my frontend I get a huge, fat way covering the area. Tried to kill it. Also tried to press undelete with no luck. If you got the time to check out whats happening, its here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=59.2471lon=18.0506zoom=17

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 0.9a

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Axel von Matern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problems seem to get more bizarre... on my frontend I get a huge, fat way covering the area. Tried to kill it. Also tried to press undelete with no luck. If you got the time to check out whats happening,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 8 May 2008, Brian Quinion wrote: I like this - but would suggest a small change: highway=crossing crossing=zebra|toucan|pelican|... No, get rid of the UK specific classifications of crossing completely - they require too much background knowledge to interpret and are pointless if

Re: [OSM-talk] Partners sought for cycle routing project

2008-05-12 Thread Tom Chance
Hi Frederik, Just quickly, I am interested and my employer - www.bioregional.com - could be a partner on the bid. We're using OSM as part of a municipality sustainability project so this would be right up our street. I will talk to the council about getting them on board too. I've copied my

[OSM-talk] tag boundary=national_park depreciated or not ?

2008-05-12 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
The tag boundary=national_park is listed in both these pages : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Deprecated_features http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Features#Boundary I don't think this is ok. I searched to an explanation either for the introduction of the tag and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andy Allan wrote: | On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but | we didn't continue down the road? | | I can't speak for the other 33,000 contributors, but I

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Matt Williams
On Monday 12 May 2008 15:36:35 Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: Andy Allan wrote: | On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Did we ever decide what to do when a road continues but | we didn't continue down the road? | | I can't speak for the other 33,000

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Brian Quinion
I like this - but would suggest a small change: highway=crossing crossing=zebra|toucan|pelican|... No, get rid of the UK specific classifications of crossing completely - they require too much background knowledge to interpret and are pointless if you have already split out the various

[OSM-talk] Limitations of renderers

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Chilton
I have been following with interest the thread on tagging and rendering, and would like to make a slight jump to comment on the inherent limitations for rendering the results. Whilst I do not wish to stifle the use of a wide-ranging tag-set, and applaud the attempts by folk to get agreement on

Re: [OSM-talk] Limitations of renderers

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 16:30, Steve Chilton wrote: I have been following with interest the thread on tagging and rendering, and would like to make a slight jump to comment on the inherent limitations for rendering the results. You're quite right of course, but equally there are other reasons to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Chris Morley
David Earl wrote: Here is what I was going to do: 1. use a set of ways like coastline (i.e. with an on the right rule, because they'd be too long as one way), to define areas of completeness. By definition, coastline would form one boundary. 2. Render these plus coastline to a new set

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 12 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: Oh, I can think of a way. Yep, I can definitely think of some shorthand tags for the most common crossing types. Trouble is, as soon as I mention it, everyone starts uncontrollably ranting. But that's the problem right? That no-one outside the UK

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: a) Being able to expand the boundary after each session is likely to be a great motivator. I suspect that this progressive taming of the wilderness or making order out of the void is what drives many mappers. b) Applicability to small or

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 0.9a

2008-05-12 Thread Axel von Matern
I can't remove this trans global way. My Potlatch just freez when trying. Can someone give it a try? /Axel 12 maj 2008 kl. 15.26 skrev Tom Hughes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Axel von Matern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problems seem to get more bizarre... on my frontend I get a

Re: [OSM-talk] street traits

2008-05-12 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeffrey Martin wrote: | Here is my list of traits. | [snip] | pavement Pavement is a dangerous word because in the UK it means sidewalk (footpath), and in the USA it means the road surface. My Mum failed her USA driving theory test because she didn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Mauer
Andy Allan wrote: Seems sensible to me to have a shorthand. So where you have a type of crossing that's for cyclists and pedestrians but not horses nor canoes, and it's controlled by traffic lights (as opposed to not being controlled at all), we could do with a shorthand way to tag it because

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Mauer
80n wrote: highway=road This is suitably vague, but has a clear enough meaning. Isn't a value of unknown in use on several other tags? It is at least on the whole access series of tags (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:access) So highway=unknown would make sense to me. -Alex

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008, Andy Allan wrote: Oh, I can think of a way. Yep, I can definitely think of some shorthand tags for the most common crossing types. Trouble is, as soon as I mention it, everyone starts

Re: [OSM-talk] street traits

2008-05-12 Thread Matt Williams
On Friday 09 May 2008 21:57:51 OJ W wrote: This page *tries* to explain the differences: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Highway I suppose my summary would be something like: Motorway: motor vehicles only, always dual-carriageway, always has good level of emergency features,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Alex Mauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Seems sensible to me to have a shorthand. So where you have a type of crossing that's for cyclists and pedestrians but not horses nor canoes, and it's controlled by traffic lights (as opposed to not

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Inge Wallin
On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a single level of completeness makes sense, but I think it should be public roads, named where feasible. I have a different view. I think we should have a leveled scheme from the beginning. I suggest the following: Level 1:

Re: [OSM-talk] Limitations of renderers

2008-05-12 Thread Igor Brejc
David Earl wrote: On 12/05/2008 16:30, Steve Chilton wrote: I have been following with interest the thread on tagging and rendering, and would like to make a slight jump to comment on the inherent limitations for rendering the results. You're quite right of course, but

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Mauer
Dave Stubbs wrote: You just said that to the one guy who's actually writing rendering rules which use this tag. Well done there. Yeah, he's free to make use of his shortcuts on his own rendering system. That doesn't make those shortcuts globally useful. -Alex Mauer hawke

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a single level of completeness makes sense, but I think it should be public roads, named where feasible. I have a different view. I think we should have a leveled scheme from the

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Brian Quinion wrote: The only problems I can see is that because it is centralised it is somewhat out of user control - so maybe it should make sense to pull the list of presets from a wiki page (once a day?) and there would be a small amount of server side load to implement it. That would

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
David Earl wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Alex Mauer wrote: Isn't a value of unknown in use on several other tags? It is at least on the whole access series of tags (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:access) So highway=unknown would make sense to me. Something like road=unknown might make sense, but because the

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 20:02, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: David Earl wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 7:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Steve Hill
Dave Stubbs wrote: Some of us really couldn't care less either way. Frankly, please stop talking about it -- you're not getting anywhere. Actually, I think some fairly insightful suggestions have been made and it is a useful discussion. You don't _have_ to read this thread if you don't care

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:06:20PM +0200, Inge Wallin wrote: Yes, but it would be good if we planned for at least some of the subsequent levels right from the start. I support this idea - I would call them levels as some areas might work completely different. I would call the different

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to h elp provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Inge Wallin
On Monday 12 May 2008 20:09:41 David Earl wrote: On 12/05/2008 18:06, Inge Wallin wrote: On Monday 12 May 2008 18:06:59 Chris Morley wrote: Starting with a single level of completeness makes sense, but I think it should be public roads, named where feasible. I have a different view. I

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to h elp provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Cartinus
On Monday 12 May 2008 21:16:38 David Earl wrote: So I think Inge is right - we need different measures for our own use. But on the public map, all streets with names seems a pretty good achievable and useful thing to show. I don't think it is a good idea to call that just complete. I think it

Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-12 Thread Alex Mauer
Steve Hill wrote: tag is used for lots of non-road things, highway=unknown could be talking about any kind of highway, such as a footway. Quite a lot of the time you know it is a road because you drove down it, but you don't necessarily know what class of road it is. Hmm, I would think

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I'm very far from this in Korea, but I would guess in time some parts of the UK will need to be rechecked at some point. How can we make a system for rechecking an area? Maybe the completeness should be retired after a period of time. -- http://bowlad.com

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Aware, the state of the current pheromones

2008-05-12 Thread François Schnell
Hello, Just a quick update and I'm gone. There's now a light v0 version: V0: one summarized placemark per user at the last known position (very low fat, should work on all machines running Google Earth) v1: the most detailed one (a placemark per node). Without feedback I've stopped pushing

[OSM-talk] Mapping distant objects by triangulation.

2008-05-12 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I couldn't find the other thread on this topic. How do you map an object, like a tower on top of a mountain, that you don't have access to without expensive survey equipment? My thought is to use a plumb bob to line up the unknown object with some known objects. I would find something like a

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

2008-05-12 Thread SteveC
On 9 May 2008, at 03:30, elvin ibbotson wrote: On 9 May 2008, at 11:05, Dave Stubbs wrote: As far as I see it there is no difference between mapping 11=autobahn, and mapping motorway=autobahn. I think you missed the point. At present we have highway=motorway and I believe a German

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I'm very far from this in Korea, but I would guess in time some parts of the UK will need to be rechecked at some point. How can we make a system for rechecking an area? Maybe the completeness should be retired after a period of time. Once we have a few applications in place that get

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Brian Quinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll have a go at implementing a local macro system in JOSM and see how well it works then it can be extended to pull from the server if it seems worth having. Well, JOSM already supports preset files which can be

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Road crossings proposal - status?

2008-05-12 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Quinion wrote: The only problems I can see is that because it is centralised it is somewhat out of user control - so maybe it should make sense to pull the list of presets from a wiki page (once a day?) and there

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-12 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ari Torhamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: su, 2008-05-04 kello 15:40 +0200, Mike Collinson kirjoitti: At 01:33 PM 4/05/2008, Ari Torhamo wrote: la, 2008-05-03 kello 17:39 -0400, Ted Mielczarek kirjoitti: Why else are we contributing this data if not for people

[OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Skywave
Freek recently created this image which shows how much of the AND data is untouched: http://www.vanwal.nl/osm/author_density_nl_20080502_full.png(warning 3 MB image). I think the z18 idea is good idea. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:36 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/05/2008 21:02,

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is terribly hard to know whether you have all the footpaths, and I think we'd hardly ever mark anywhere complete if we did that. I think it's terribly hard to know when a map is correct and complete, regardless

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread David Earl
On 12/05/2008 22:51, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is terribly hard to know whether you have all the footpaths, and I think we'd hardly ever mark anywhere complete if we did that. I think it's terribly hard to know when

Re: [OSM-talk] Limitations of renderers

2008-05-12 Thread OJ W
So it might be useful to have a renderer that does everything on request instead of storing large amounts of pregenerated tile images? (i.e. so that the server requirements are no longer proportional to the number of map styles that it serves) If that could be made to work, then everyone could

Re: [OSM-talk] Limitations of renderers

2008-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, So it might be useful to have a renderer that does everything on request instead of storing large amounts of pregenerated tile images? It's called a WMS server, and I believe Fake Steve C recently had a prototype on his blog. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Aware, the state of the current pheromones

2008-05-12 Thread tim
Hi, just thought this was a lovely, brilliant visualisation of osm usage. Well done, good work! Would love to see some of this in non-kml formats, somehow (google earth doesn't work well for me). Or on the web. (GeoRSS? GML? Worldwind? etc) as an overlay over existing osm maps? tim

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Lohoff schrieb: | On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:06:20PM +0200, Inge Wallin wrote: | Yes, but it would be good if we planned for at least some of the subsequent | levels right from the start. | | I support this idea - I would call them levels as

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 10:52 PM To: David Earl Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 8:16 PM, David Earl [EMAIL

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
David Earl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 11:06 PM To: Andy Allan Cc: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists); talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help provide completeness tools On 12/05/2008 22:51, Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help providecompleteness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Florian Lohoff wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 8:29 PM To: Inge Wallin Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help providecompleteness tools On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:06:20PM +0200, Inge Wallin wrote: Yes, but it would be good if we planned for at least

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help providecompleteness tools

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Jeffrey Martin wrote: Sent: 12 May 2008 9:38 PM Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Developers requested to help providecompleteness tools I'm very far from this in Korea, but I would guess in time some parts of the UK will need to be rechecked at some point. How can we

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping distant objects by triangulation.

2008-05-12 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
I can give some ideas on this using basic surveying. JOSM measurement tools will let you do the editing too so its not that difficult to get items mapped in this way. Especially useful for descrete objects in an otherwise fairly featureless landscape. Until I get a moment to drop something on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping distant objects by triangulation.

2008-05-12 Thread Stephen Hope
In theory, yes. In practice, maybe. You would find that if you did a third measuring line, it probably wouldn't intersect where the first two did. Small errors at the measuring end cause massive errors at the other end. Even the guys with the specialist measuring equipment working on a

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken....

2008-05-12 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: Bij de macro kost een compatible (met CHDK) Canon 460 slechts 69 ex. Is dat de goedkoopste beschikbaar? Alleen geen idee hoe 'groothoek' het is. Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Partners sought for cycle routing project

2008-05-12 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Ik weet niet of mensen hiermee kunnen helpen. Cycle-routing is wat wij willen, maar hebben wij organisaties die mee kunnen tellen? Ik denk persoonlijk dat dit een van de aangrijppunten is om een OSM organisatie een boost te geven, dan wel een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Partners sought for cycle routing project

2008-05-12 Thread ante
On Mon, May 12, 2008 3:55 pm, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: Ik weet niet of mensen hiermee kunnen helpen. Cycle-routing is wat wij willen, maar hebben wij organisaties die mee kunnen tellen? Bedrijven kunnen mee tellen. Ik lees bijv van Martijn P. wel eens dat hij leuke dingen op de todo heeft

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken....

2008-05-12 Thread Gert Gremmen
Ik heb er vanochtend een gehaald, en de hack library laat zich prima Installeren. Nu nog een scriptje kopieren Om elke 5 seconden een foto te maken (endless). Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Stefan de Konink Verzonden: maandag 12

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken....

2008-05-12 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: Ik heb er vanochtend een gehaald, en de hack library laat zich prima Installeren. (Klinkt *erg* interessant... zouden we er ook een com port dan iets wat direct GPS kan inladen op kunne hacken?) Nu nog een scriptje kopieren Om elke 5 seconden een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken....

2008-05-12 Thread Gert Gremmen
De snelheid van de camera is niet zo hoog. De meesten hale niet meer dan 1 a 1.5 sec. Verder zij nerwaarschuwingen ivm oververhitten Van de beeldsensor bij volcontinue bedrijf. Ik heb nog geen compoort hack gezien, maar Wel een heleboel refs naar remote contol via usb. Ergens eind deze maand ???

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken....

2008-05-12 Thread Gert Gremmen
Amaryllo, hoe dat zo ??? Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Stefan de Konink Verzonden: maandag 12 mei 2008 18:28 Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken On Mon, 12

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: Outdoor geekevent (eth0)

2008-05-12 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
Ik ben er vrijwel zeker van dat ik ga, dus ik wil er wel wat mee doen... At Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:19:16 +0200, Ante Wessels wrote: Uitnodiging, iemand zin om er iets mee te doen? -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Outdoor geekevent (eth0) Date: Wednesday 16 April 2008

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fiets tracks: automatisch foto's maken....

2008-05-12 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Mon, 12 May 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: Amaryllo, hoe dat zo ??? Laat die Amaryllo maar USB commando's doorsturen hoor... liefst inclusief GPS coordinaten. De laatste keer dat ik met de Nederlandse en dev persoon uit Azie sprak was open source maken een probleem vanwege de SifrII code. Maar

Re: [talk-au] more copyright stuff

2008-05-12 Thread Nick Hocking
But I think you are right Liz, it is relevant. I believe some osmers collect street names by exception, that is, they compare what a published map says with what street signs say, tick the confirmed ones, and when they see an exception, note it. I think this makes their list a derived work

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Neues Plugin

2008-05-12 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Christoph Eckert schrieb: ja, fällt mir bei uns in der Gegend auch auf. Allerdings sehe ich sowas nicht zwingend als Fehler. Einer der Autoren von Navit möchte beispielsweise herausbekommen, ob eine Straße innerhalb oder außerhalb einer geschlossenen Ortschaft ist, um beim Routing auf die

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM - langsam bei ausgefüllten Polygo nen?

2008-05-12 Thread Andreas Jacob
Am Montag, 12. Mai 2008 05:42:13 schrieb Henry Loenwind: Frederik Ramm wrote: dazu, trac genau zu verfolgen, daher danke fuer den Hinweis. Ok, Patch hängt am Ticket. Zunächst erst einmal vielen Dank für eure stete Mühe. Die 632 ist in polygonreichen Gebieten wesentlich besser benutzbar. Die

Re: [Talk-de] offizielle Bezeichnung von Bundesstraß en/ Autobahnen

2008-05-12 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Simon Kokolakis schrieb: Ne, also ich finde es sollte kein Kriterium sein, ob der Renderer ein gutes oder schlechtes Ergebnis liefert. Es ist ja mal gut, dass gut und schlecht absolut ist. In diesem sinne: ein schlechtes ergebnis wäre gut. -- Karl Eichwalder

Re: [Talk-de] [EMAIL PROTECTED] rendert uralte Daten?!

2008-05-12 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Sven Geggus schrieb: Henry Loenwind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Das passiert aber leider sehr einfach. z.B. Rechner runterfahren, 2 Wochen in Urlaub gehen, tah starten. Schwupp, alte Daten im Upload... *argh* Dann sollte man die scripten so anpassen, dass sie nur Dinge hochladen, die

[Talk-de] Linie aus dem Nichts?

2008-05-12 Thread Johann H. Addicks
Hallo, Ich habe in dem Stadtpark Hanny-Franke-Anlage in Eschborn im Output des OSMArenderers in der stärksten Zoomstufe eine dunkelgrüne Linie, die ich nicht zuordnen kann. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.14095lon=8.57844zoom=17layers=0BFT Es handelt sich um eine Außenlinie für die

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM - langsam bei ausgefüllten Polygo nen?

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Buege
Am Montag 12 Mai 2008 02:19:44 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Leider schleicht es immer noch ordentlich. Schalte doch einfach die Polygonfuellerei ab, wenn Du einen langsameren Rechner hast - so wichtig ist das doch nicht. Ich selber arbeite meistens sogar mit dem Wireframe-Modus, weil mir

[Talk-de] OSM Präsentationen in Hamburg

2008-05-12 Thread Stephan Schildberg
2 Präsentationen in Hamburg: Am 6. Juni 2008 ist OSM zum Communities Meeting Hamburg 2008 eigeladen. Location: Lehmann's http://linuxwiki.de/Communities/MeetingHamburg2008 Ich will die Vorstellung nicht alleine vorbereiten und suche gerade für den softwarespezifischen Part Unterstützung. Am

Re: [Talk-de] Linie aus dem Nichts?

2008-05-12 Thread Daniel Schmidt
Ich habe in dem Stadtpark Hanny-Franke-Anlage in Eschborn im Output des OSMArenderers in der stärksten Zoomstufe eine dunkelgrüne Linie, die ich nicht zuordnen kann. [...] Es handelt sich um eine Außenlinie für die Grünfläche, die jedoch in der Mitte liegt. Da war ein Fußweg als

Re: [Talk-de] Linie aus dem Nichts?

2008-05-12 Thread Marc Schütz
Ich habe in dem Stadtpark Hanny-Franke-Anlage in Eschborn im Output des OSMArenderers in der stärksten Zoomstufe eine dunkelgrüne Linie, die ich nicht zuordnen kann. [...] Es handelt sich um eine Außenlinie für die Grünfläche, die jedoch in der Mitte liegt. Da war ein Fußweg

Re: [Talk-de] [EMAIL PROTECTED] rendert uralte Daten?!

2008-05-12 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Karl Eichwalder schrieb: Sven Geggus schrieb: Henry Loenwind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Das passiert aber leider sehr einfach. z.B. Rechner runterfahren, 2 Wochen in Urlaub gehen, tah starten. Schwupp, alte Daten im Upload... *argh* Dann sollte

Re: [Talk-de] Merkaartor erweitern?

2008-05-12 Thread André Reichelt
Am Montag, den 12.05.2008, 12:25 +0200 schrieb Daniel van Gerpen: Ich habe das Verhalten unter Linux reproduzieren koennen Ist es bei Dir auch abgeschmiert? Wie hat sich das geäußert? Is ganz wichtig für mich, also danke schonmal. ___ Talk-de mailing

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Background Farbe - ev. Bug

2008-05-12 Thread Daniel Naber
On Montag, 12. Mai 2008, Stefan Hirschmann wrote: Wollte heute wieder mal was mit JOSM taggen, aber JOSM ignoriert meine Hintergrundfarbe (heute erst josm-latest.jar) herunter geladen. Sieht man den Track nach dem Laden der OSM-Daten überhaupt noch? Wenn nicht, ist es wohl dieser Bug:

[Talk-de] Yahoo Bilder in Josm anzeigen

2008-05-12 Thread Sven Sommerkamp
Wenn ich Bilder vom Yahoo Server herunterlade, kann ich immer nur die Bilder sehen, oder die OSM Daten. Wie kriege ich das transparent? Außerdem muß ich meinen Firefox immer erst wieder schließen damit ich ein zweites oder drittes Tile runterladen kann. Wie ändere ich das? Gruß Sven

Re: [Talk-de] Yahoo Bilder in Josm anzeigen

2008-05-12 Thread Daniel Naber
On Montag, 12. Mai 2008, Sven Sommerkamp wrote: Wenn ich Bilder vom Yahoo Server herunterlade, kann ich immer nur die Bilder sehen, oder die OSM Daten. Wie kriege ich das transparent? Warten bis dieser Bug behoben ist oder den Vorschlag dort selber lokal in den Source einbauen:

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Background Farbe - ev. Bug

2008-05-12 Thread Sven Geggus
Daniel Naber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sieht man den Track nach dem Laden der OSM-Daten überhaupt noch? Wenn nicht, ist es wohl dieser Bug: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/736 Jupp. Das selbe hier. Wo bekomme ich denn jetzt auf die schnelle eine funktionierende josm Version her. Sven --

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM und Background Farbe - ev. Bug

2008-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Sieht man den Track nach dem Laden der OSM-Daten überhaupt noch? Wenn nicht, ist es wohl dieser Bug: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/736 Jupp. Das selbe hier. Wo bekomme ich denn jetzt auf die schnelle eine funktionierende josm Version her. Alte Versionen sind grundsaetzlich immer

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM - langsam bei ausgefüllten Polygo nen?

2008-05-12 Thread Henry Loenwind
Andreas Jacob wrote: Am Montag, 12. Mai 2008 05:42:13 schrieb Henry Loenwind: Wie gesagt, draw.rawgps.trianglelines ist bei mir mehr als 10 mal schneller als einfache Linien - und ich verstehe es nicht... Mal in's Blaue hinein vermutet. Die Engines von Grafikkarten bzw. die ansteuernden

Re: [Talk-de] [EMAIL PROTECTED] rendert uralte Daten?!

2008-05-12 Thread Henry Loenwind
Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Karl Eichwalder schrieb: Stichworte: Hochrechnen, wie lang ein tile normalerweise unterwegs ist. Wird diese zeit überschritten, kann das tile neu vergeben Macht er schon, wenn auch nicht dynamisch. Ich verstehe nicht ganz, was das damit zu tun hat, dass ein ZIP auf

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