Re: [talk-ph] Reviving plan(s) for Tagaytay Mapping party

2009-05-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi guys, Let's set the meeting place to be the Starbucks in the restaurant complex here: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.102179lon=120.952071zoom=18layers=B000FTF Meeting time is 9:00 am. Good? Eugene On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Hi guys,

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Local list contacts

2009-05-13 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Ok. I'll be your deputy. I'll forward messages in case you can't. :-) On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:36 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: OK for the mean time. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Local_Contacts I would love to delegate though. On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:34 AM,

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Local list contacts

2009-05-13 Thread maning sambale
OK murlwe. Please edit the appropriate entry in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Local_Contacts On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: I would like to volunteer. -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]

[talk-ph] New OSM-PH Garmin map (20090513)

2009-05-13 Thread maning sambale
To all OSM-PH Garmin users, New OSM-PH Garmin map (20090513) New OSM-PH Garmin routable map available here: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/osmphil_garmin What’s new in this release: * Data as of 20090513 * 38,400 kilometers of roads * Fixed some routing problems * Better

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Planet BeNeLux

2009-05-13 Thread ivom
On Mon, 11 May 2009, Roeland Douma wrote: The new dutch tile server is coming together. And as a new feature we are now rendering the whole benelux. We are hoping this comes in handy for you and will stimulate you in completing the Belgium map! Roeland, Is the new tile server somewhere else

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Miller
On 13 May 2009, at 01:36, Matt Amos wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: ...and Peter Miller's concerns are legit: If you are the licensor, then, under 4.4.d... Licensors may authorise a proxy to determine compatible licences under

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-13 Thread Gervase Markham
On 12/05/09 09:37, Frederik Ramm wrote: Claiming copyright on something where you are not reasonably sure of actually having it is, in my eyes, a FUD maneouvre worthy of players like the OS, but something that we should make an attempt to steer clear of. The way of avoiding it seeming to be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: There is both the situation were OSM bulk-imports some data from another source into OSM that is published as ODbL where the original data owner can not be contacted which I would hope would be possible, under the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-13 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Ulf Möller use...@... writes: Jukka Rahkonen schrieb: But what if OSMF is changing the license and somebody has managed to base some business on top of derived database licensed under the old ODbL license? Dou you lawyers say that it is a sound basis for building a business? For

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Gervase Markham wrote: The way of avoiding it seeming to be FUD is to have a clause like: Nothing in this licence attempts to restrict your rights under fair use or a similar doctrine. Sounds like: We have a honest desire to sue the shit out of you if you violate any of our 52

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-13 Thread Ulf Möller
Jukka Rahkonen schrieb: And if the maintainer of the derived database has a community that continues to collect new data under ODbL 1.0 terms, and the main OSM has advanced to ODbL 1.1 or something, is it possible to exchange data between these two systems? According to RC1, you could use

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Tom Hughes
Ian Dees wrote: I'd like to continue this part of the thread. As was discussed by Frederik, I think the end goal should be a real-time OSM stream of what's getting applied to the database. Doing that in a performant way is relatively difficult (which is why we're using Osmosis and minutely

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Lennard
Matt Amos wrote: these might be of interest: http://matt.sandbox.cloudmade.com/ Which would have been fine and dandy in the past, but somebody needs to nudge that one into life again, /me thinks. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Tom Hughes
Frederik Ramm wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: It's a completely insane solution though. It we want to do it we should just do it properly in the database not fart around with stupid hacks in the rails code that break as soon as any updates are not done via rails. Assuming for a moment that

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Bernhard zwischenbrugger
Hi Maybe you like this: http://datenkueche.com/osmlive/ If I get nice feedback I will make it zoomable. Bernhard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Lennard l...@xs4all.nl wrote: Matt Amos wrote: these might be of interest: http://matt.sandbox.cloudmade.com/ Which would have been fine and dandy in the past, but somebody needs to nudge that one into life again, /me thinks. yeah, sorry. its on my todo

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-ie] open street map - what's in it for you?

2009-05-13 Thread Rory McCann
On 01/05/09 15:32, Ken Guest wrote: A few days ago I drove into a new housing estate to add it to the map of the locality. After explaining to a concerned resident what I was at (free-as-in-freedom maps, no trap roads, accuracy etc) , I was asked a rather Life-of-Brian-esque question:

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Rory McCann
On 01/05/09 15:05, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Google Street View got me thinking that it might be a good idea to explore the possibility of an open source street view database, which could be linked in with OSM. Course what would be awesome is if Google released all there timestamped photos and

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Joseph Reeves
For the same reason that they don't release any of their data? 2009/5/13 Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org: On 01/05/09 15:05, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Google Street View got me thinking that it might be a good idea to explore the possibility of an open source street view database, which could

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote: Any idea why Google don't do this yet? I (and some others in the OSM community) have been working with some Google engineers on this for quite some time (1.5 yrs). There is significant interest in opening the data, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-13 Thread Rory McCann
On 30/04/09 13:17, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Greg Troxel and you define the relation to say that all ways in some area of some type should be in the relation. You try to use relations to define a category but :

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.comwrote: For the same reason that they don't release any of their data? This is different, though, as Google owns the StreetView data. They license all other geographic data (street maps and aerial/satellite images). There is

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-ie] open street map - what's in it for you?

2009-05-13 Thread SteveC
On 2 May 2009, at 14:10, Johnny Rose Carlsen wrote: Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: drove into a new housing estate ... yes but, what's in it for you? Why does a painter paint? Why play football? Why give

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Ian Dees wrote: I'd like to continue this part of the thread. As was discussed by Frederik, I think the end goal should be a real-time OSM stream of what's getting applied to the database. Doing that in a performant way is

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Rory McCann
On 13/05/09 14:47, Ian Dees wrote: This is different, though, as Google owns the StreetView data. They license all other geographic data (street maps and aerial/satellite images). Yes that's what I thought. As far as I know Yahoo licenced map data and bought the 'you can relicence it' option,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread John McKerrell
On 13 May 2009, at 15:00, Rory McCann wrote: StreetView data would be awesome to have, since it would massivly increase the amount of information we could add. Footpaths, speedlimits, number of lanes, etc etc, Theses are things you can't get from aerial imagery. I imagine that even if

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Childs
2009/5/13 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: Ok, this I'll agree on. My original post was just to talk about it... not really to do it. But it sounds like we should take baby steps. Let's work on the minutely diffs first and if some crazy person comes up with a good use case for streaming, we can

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-13 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/5/13 Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org: On 30/04/09 13:17, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Greg Troxel and you define the relation to say that all ways in some area of some type should be in the relation. You try to use relations to define a category but :

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Peter Childs wrote: The Problem is that you can't rebuild the map from a continuing stream, This is the problem with Database Replication in general. True, but maybe the stream use cases don't require that? Maybe it is more important for an application to know in an instant where

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: On 13 May 2009, at 15:00, Rory McCann wrote: StreetView data would be awesome to have, since it would massivly increase the amount of information we could add. Footpaths, speedlimits, number of lanes, etc etc, Theses

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 13 de Mayo de 2009, Ian Dees escribió: [...] the point is that minutely-diffs are a minute old. At some point in the future someone will want to see the data in real time as a stream. If you can't wait *one* minute to see the data, you have a very acute case of OSMOCD, and you

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Joseph Reeves
How does the service provided by norc.ro compare with people's desires? http://www.norc.ro/ Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/13 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:25 AM, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: On 13 May 2009, at 15:00, Rory McCann wrote: StreetView data would

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
2009/5/13 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es As a wise man once said, all problems in computer science can be solved by adding another indirection layer. If you really really want a stream, I'm positive it can be hacked with a couple of scripts and the minutely diffs. You have

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-13 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Dave Stubbs wrote: Where zone is a known geographic area? A bounding way with tags like: zone = restriction maxspeed = 20kph parking = no seems like the best way to do it to me if you don't want to just replicate the tags on everything (and I can understand why

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Frederik Ramm wrote: But saying: We don't intend to support this because we cannot think of an application that absolutely requires it, is quite un-OSM, is it not? Qualify application as application which actually uses the geodata, and it's not so far off the mark. We don't need a million

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/13 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: Ian Dees wrote:     I don't think anybody has ever given a use case which requires such    a stream and can't work with the diffs. I agree, but the point is that minutely-diffs are a minute old. At some point in the future someone

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
andrzej zaborowski wrote: You might be missing out on a cool visualisation tool though (maybe what Bernhard is trying doing is similar), but that's the only use case I can think of right now. How does that help anyone a) use the data, or b) improve the data? See ITO's OSM Mapper if you want a

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
2009/5/13 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: 2009/5/13 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es As a wise man once said, all problems in computer science can be solved by adding another indirection layer. If you really really want a stream, I'm positive it can be hacked with a couple of scripts

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread John McKerrell
On 13 May 2009, at 16:04, Joseph Reeves wrote: How does the service provided by norc.ro compare with people's desires? http://www.norc.ro/ norc.ro looks similar to Google, which is nice, but I guess the question is what license is the imagery available under? Also could I submit my

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: But saying: We don't intend to support this because we cannot think of an application that absolutely requires it, is quite un-OSM, is it not? Qualify application as application

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Ian Dees wrote: Woah! Since when can OSM tell me what sort of applications I can and can't write with the open source data that OSM is providing**? You're not being told what to do with the data, but it's being suggested to you that you can't have it in a particular, resource-intensive format

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/13 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: andrzej zaborowski wrote: You might be missing out on a cool visualisation tool though (maybe what Bernhard is trying doing is similar), but that's the only use case I can think of right now. How does that help anyone a) use the data,

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Jonathan Bennett
andrzej zaborowski wrote: Cool visualisation tools don't have to comply with a) or b), they just need to be cool :) So cool you're prepared to pay for the infrastructure to support it? -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/13 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: andrzej zaborowski wrote:   Cool visualisation tools don't have to comply with a) or b), they just need to be cool :) So cool you're prepared to pay for the infrastructure to support it? I didn't say that. I said there *are* things

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView

2009-05-13 Thread Ciprian Talaba
We, the Romanian OSM team (as Norc is a Romanian based service), are in contact with the people from Norc since the launch of the project. They have given us permission to derive from their panoramas, and also they donated their GPS logs. We are waiting in the next few days to get a new set of

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: Ian Dees wrote: Woah! Since when can OSM tell me what sort of applications I can and can't write with the open source data that OSM is providing**? You're not being told what to do with the data, but

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Jonathan Bennett wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: You might be missing out on a cool visualisation tool though (maybe what Bernhard is trying doing is similar), but that's the only use case I can think of right now. How does that help anyone a) use the data, or b) improve the data? See

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: andrzej zaborowski wrote: Cool visualisation tools don't have to comply with a) or b), they just need to be cool :) So cool you're prepared to pay for the infrastructure to support it? I think

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Bernhard zwischenbrugger
Jonathan Bennett schrieb: andrzej zaborowski wrote: Cool visualisation tools don't have to comply with a) or b), they just need to be cool :) So cool you're prepared to pay for the infrastructure to support it? To put OSM data live to xmpp ist very simple and I don't think

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Tom Hughes
Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote: To put OSM data live to xmpp ist very simple and I don't think it's expensive. An easy way would be to post it to a xmpp groupchat: message type=groupchat to=osml...@conference.thejabberserver.org/bot osmgeodata here/osm /message After login it's just

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Tom Hughes
Ian Dees wrote: The whole argument I'm making is that after the initial implementation**, streaming the data is a lot less resource intensive than what we are currently doing. Perhaps I don't have the whole picture of what goes on in the backend, but at some point the changeset XML files

[OSM-talk] R: RFC: amenity=mortuary (and amenity=emergency_room)

2009-05-13 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
I agree for the morgue term. I would say something to key amenity an why I would prefer the use of the key landuse I don't know in other launguages but in italian the most common meaning for AMENITY is something nice, beautiful, pleasant...attributes not related at all with morgue and few other

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:40 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: In a different mail you said: Ian Dees wrote: OSM isn't about the geodata, it's about the data. That includes the fact that it is in the geographic domain, but it also means that we can manipulate it or store it

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Ian Dees wrote: The whole argument I'm making is that after the initial implementation**, streaming the data is a lot less resource intensive than what we are currently doing. Perhaps I don't have the whole picture of what

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Matt Amos wrote: i think if we can get the delay on the diffs down from 5 mins to under 2 mins then there's no reason why streaming can't be built on top of the diffs and be able to support all the things people want to do with streaming. What you are talking about is simulated streaming

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Ian Dees wrote: The whole argument I'm making is that after the initial implementation**, streaming the data is a lot less resource intensive than

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: can any of today's hip trendy messaging protocols be used to painlessly notify anyone who is interested that there's a new diff ready, instead of having over-eager scripts poll the directory every 10 seconds? The

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Ian Dees wrote: The whole argument I'm making is that after the initial

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: why via triggers? Because the database is the only aggregation point for the data. There are many API servers (which would be the ideal spot for creating this data feed), but my initial thought was that it was quite

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: why via triggers? Because the database is the only aggregation point for the data. There are many API servers (which would be the ideal spot for creating

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: i think if we can get the delay on the diffs down from 5 mins to under 2 mins then there's no reason why streaming can't be built on top of the diffs and be able to support all the things people want to

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: why via triggers? Because the database is the only aggregation point for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: sorry, i wasn't clear in my question: why triggers in particular, rather than one of the many other features that the DB provides for doing this? Mostly

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: sorry, i wasn't clear in my question: why triggers in particular, rather than

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Matt Amos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: sorry, i

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: its better to get this done without the main db and the rails_port code diverging too much, so i'm looking for methods which are as un-invasive as possible. I agree. Since it seems like a huge amount of work to augment

Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 39

2009-05-13 Thread Richard Bullock
StreetView data would be awesome to have, since it would massivly increase the amount of information we could add. Footpaths, speedlimits, number of lanes, etc etc, Theses are things you can't get from aerial imagery. But surely you can get this from, say, actually going there, like most

Re: [OSM-talk] R: RFC: amenity=mortuary (and amenity=emergency_room)

2009-05-13 Thread David Paleino
On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:16:59 +0200, Fabrizio Carrai wrote: I agree for the morgue term. Well, ok. I'm not particularly in favour of one version over the other ;) I would say something to key amenity an why I would prefer the use of the key landuse Well, landuse?!.. it's not land, it usually

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Geographical Places)

2009-05-13 Thread Polderrunner
Hi all, this proposal [place=land/water + size_level=1 to 10] is now open for voting. Please vote at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Geographical_Places I have made two changes to the original proposal: 1) place_level tag changed to size_level 2) Proposal extended to

[OSM-talk] more OSM coming soon

2009-05-13 Thread Ivo van den Maagdenberg
Hi Folks, This is some sort of quality of service question. Half of all the tiles on http://www.openstreetmap.org render as 'more OSM coming soon'. I want to know if I am doing something wrong (Ubuntu 8.10 + firefox 3.0 + reasonable hardware) Showing OSM to a friend that has not seen 'the Map'

Re: [OSM-talk] more OSM coming soon

2009-05-13 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 22:12 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/5/13 Ivo van den Maagdenberg ivo.vdmaagdenb...@gmail.com: Hi Folks, This is some sort of quality of service question. Half of all the tiles on http://www.openstreetmap.org render as 'more OSM coming soon'. I want to know if I am

Re: [OSM-talk] Live Data - all new Data in OSM

2009-05-13 Thread Erik Johansson
This is an implementation of this for Live Journal: http://updates.sixapart.com/ Lets you connect to a TCP port and get live XML feed of all updates on Livejournal.. Has some cool features, such as discarding data from the stream when you can't keep up. /Erik

[OSM-talk] R: R: RFC: amenity=mortuary (and amenity=emergency_room)

2009-05-13 Thread Fabrizio Carrai
-Messaggio originale- Da: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]per conto di David Paleino Inviato: mercoledì 13 maggio 2009 21.40 A: talk@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [OSM-talk] R: RFC: amenity=mortuary (and amenity=emergency_room) On Wed,

[OSM-talk] Corine Land Cover becomes a potential OSM data source...

2009-05-13 Thread Pieren
at least in France. The Corine Land Cover (CLC) is refering to a european programme establishing a computerised inventory on land cover of the 27 EC member states and other European countries, at an original scale of 1: 100 000, using 44 classes of the 3-level Corine nomenclature. It is produced

Re: [OSM-talk] more OSM coming soon

2009-05-13 Thread Thomas Wood
2009/5/13 Ivo van den Maagdenberg ivo.vdmaagdenb...@gmail.com: Hi Folks, This is some sort of quality of service question. Half of all the tiles on http://www.openstreetmap.org render as 'more OSM coming soon'. I want to know if I am doing something wrong (Ubuntu 8.10 + firefox 3.0 +

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-13 Thread MP
Except it's not a geographic area, but rather a set of streets with that restriction. If a bridge or tunnel without the restriction goes over/under a street with the restriction you'll have a problem. In that case, that bridge can have differen speed limits set directly on the way. Just

[Talk-de] Qualitätssicherung - unbenannte Objek te

2009-05-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! ich habe mich auch an einem Tool versucht für das Auffinden von unbenannten Objekten - wenn schon Elemente in der Karte, dann auch mit dem entsprechenden Namen. Eine erste Auswertung für Hamburg findet sich unter http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/quality/poi_noname/hamburg/ Bei Bedarf

[Talk-de] JOSM: Darstellungsform der Kreisel

2009-05-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! vor Wochen gab es schon einmal eine Diskussion über die Arbeitsweise des Kreisel-Tools in JOSM und die Tatsache dass immer im Uhrzeigersinn, per default, gezeichnet wird. Gary68 hat mal die Kreisel allein in Spanien [1] analysiert und über 500 falsche Richtungen ermittelt. Alle die ich

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Nop
Hi! Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Weitere Informationen unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/L%C3%BCbeck/Schutzgebiete. Wie kam denn das Tagging zustande? Ich finde landscape_reserve für Landschaftsschutzgebiet ein wenig unglücklich. Es gibt ein Proposal für landuse=conservation, das dafür

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Hallo Nop, vielen Dank für die Kritik aber nachdem aus den allgemeinen Diskussionen und ich von dem genannten nichts wußte, sind die anderen entstanden. Da dokumentiert läßt sich soetwas sicherlich einfach anpassen. gruß Jan :-) Nop schrieb: Hi! Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Weitere

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Mittwoch 13 Mai 2009 09:24:13 schrieb Nop: [Lanschaftsschutzgebiet] Es gibt ein Proposal für landuse=conservation, das dafür passen würde. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation Aber ein Landschaftsschutzgebiet ist doch gar keine ausschließliche

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 13. Mai 2009 09:35 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Hallo. Am Mittwoch 13 Mai 2009 09:24:13 schrieb Nop: [Lanschaftsschutzgebiet] Es gibt ein Proposal für landuse=conservation, das dafür passen würde. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation Aber ein

Re: [Talk-de] layer für leisure=nature_reserve zuweisen

2009-05-13 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
ekkeh...@gmx.de schrieb: Siehe http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:layer. Dort steht (Diese Seite enthält momentan noch keinen Text) Nö, works for me. Kommt Dein Browser mit den 2 Doppelpunkten nicht zurecht? Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] neue Karten für NaviPowm 0.2.2

2009-05-13 Thread Stefan Dettenhofer (StefanDausR)
Hallo zusammen, die Mai-Daten liegen in der Version 0.2.2 am Server und es sind auch neue Länder dazugekommen: - Deutschland (953 MB) - Europa (4,01 GB) - Afrika (1,07 GB) - Antarktis (277 MB) - Asien (2.53 GB) - Australien + Ozeanien (806 MB) - Südamerika (818 MB) Insgesamt sind das nun über

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Ekkehart
Hi! Sehr richtig! Deshalb wird auch ein tagging nach dem Muster boundary=nature_reserve, boundary=national_park etc. vorgeschlagen. Im Falle des LSG also etwa boundary=conservation_area o.ä. Wo (Link)? bye Nop -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate +

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Mittwoch 13 Mai 2009 09:54:29 schrieb Falk Zscheile: Sehr richtig! Deshalb wird auch ein tagging nach dem Muster boundary=nature_reserve, boundary=national_park etc. vorgeschlagen. Im Falle des LSG also etwa boundary=conservation_area o.ä. Vorgeschlagen wird vieles. Allerdings ist

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Chris-Hein Lunkhusen
Falk Zscheile schrieb: Es gibt ein Proposal für landuse=conservation, das dafür passen würde. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation Aber ein Landschaftsschutzgebiet ist doch gar keine ausschließliche Landnutzung. Ein LSG kann Wald, Wiese oder ein Dorf sein. Bei uns

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Claudius
Am 13.05.2009 11:24, Chris-Hein Lunkhusen: Falk Zscheile schrieb: Es gibt ein Proposal für landuse=conservation, das dafür passen würde. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/conservation Aber ein Landschaftsschutzgebiet ist doch gar keine ausschließliche Landnutzung. Ein LSG

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutzgebiete in Lübeck

2009-05-13 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 13. Mai 2009 10:45 schrieb ekkeh...@gmx.de: Sehr richtig! Deshalb wird auch ein tagging nach dem Muster boundary=nature_reserve, boundary=national_park etc. vorgeschlagen. Im Falle des LSG also etwa boundary=conservation_area o.ä. Wo (Link)? Ich fand den Vorschlag in der Diskussion zu

[Talk-de] Mehrere Etagen darstellen

2009-05-13 Thread Lulu-Ann
Hallo Liste, auf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Level habe ich meine Überlegungen zu 3-Dimensionalen Objekten wie mehrgeschossige U-Bahnstationen oder schlicht Gebäude aufgeschrieben. Dies hängt eng zusammen mit den Proposals für Aufzüge und Rolltreppen

Re: [Talk-de] Aufkleber?

2009-05-13 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Stefan Leupers schrieb: Ich habe mal ein paar Motiv-Vorschläge erstellt. Ihr könnt abstimmen, welches Motiv gedruckt und vertrieben werden soll. :-) Abstimmung über das Motiv auf der gleichen Seite wie oben: http://www.first-to-find.de/openstreetmap Die unteren beiden Logos sind komisch

Re: [Talk-de] Aufkleber?

2009-05-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 13. Mai 2009 13:48 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Stefan Leupers schrieb: Ich habe mal ein paar Motiv-Vorschläge erstellt. Ihr könnt abstimmen, welches Motiv gedruckt und vertrieben werden soll. :-) Abstimmung über das Motiv auf der gleichen Seite wie oben:

Re: [Talk-de] Mehrere Etagen darstellen

2009-05-13 Thread Patrick Kolesa
lulu-...@gmx.de schrieb: Langfristig denke ich an eine Slippy-Map, die bei solchen Objekten ermöglicht, in den Ebenen zu blättern. Ich schlage vor, ebenfalls den Grundriss und Mauern zu vermessen, damit ich auch im Dunkeln navigieren kann. Besonders in meinem Keller würde mir das weiterhelfen,

Re: [Talk-de] Aufkleber?

2009-05-13 Thread Stefan Leupers
Hi! Am 13. Mai 2009 13:48 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Ich habe mal ein paar Motiv-Vorschläge erstellt.      http://www.first-to-find.de/openstreetmap Die unteren beiden Logos sind komisch gestaucht. Ich würde bei runden Aufklebern vielleicht auch einen runden

Re: [Talk-de] Aufkleber?

2009-05-13 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Stefan Leupers schrieb: Yep, stimmt, aber mit einem schlecht aufgelösten Bitmap kann man auch nichts anfangen. Wer redet denn von einer schlecht aufgelösten Bitmap? Mit dem Dienstleister vorher absprechen, was er benötigt. Das Verfahren ist dort ausschlaggebend. 355 ppi nehmen mittlerweile

Re: [Talk-de] Qualitätssicherung - unbenannte Objek te

2009-05-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
habe noch einige draufgelegt http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/quality/poi_noname/schleswig-holstein/ http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/quality/poi_noname/grossraum_kiel/ http://www.tappenbeck.net/osm/quality/poi_noname/grossraum_luebeck/ eine uebersichtsseite folgt ! Gruß Jan :-) Jan Tappenbeck

[Talk-de] Probleme mit Fahrrad-Fußgänger-Routi ng etc.

2009-05-13 Thread Jürgen Frank
Habe gerade im Forum folgende sehr interessante Mail gelesen: Normal style-file can't provide good pedestrian routing, because the pedestrian setting on Garmin GPS is simply not working like people expect it to work. What it does is simply allowing more ways (like footways) to be taken into

[Talk-de] Bezeichnung von Landes-/Staatsstraßen

2009-05-13 Thread Jürgen Frank
Mir ist schon öfter aufgefallen, dass in manchen routingfähigen OSM- Karten für Garmin-Geräte bzw. Straßenklassifizierungen, sofern diese keine Nummer haben (ref-Tag IIRC) als Staatsstraßen bezeichnet werden. Das ist für alle User, die nicht in einem Freistaat, sondern einem normalen

[Talk-de] Fehlersuche bei Webkartenerstellung POI

2009-05-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! ich bastel gerade an einer Karte in der Arch. Denkmäler dargestellt werden sollen. Für Schleswig-Holstein habe ich 93 Stück exportiert und in einer Datei hinterlegt. Es werden aber leider nicht alle in der Karte dargestellt. Auch funktioniert das mit dem Anzeigen der PopUp-Menüs nicht.

[Talk-de] tlw. erledigt....

2009-05-13 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! da war der Upload etwas langsamer als die Anfrage ! Jetzt werden zwar alle dargestellt - aber mit den Links klemmpt das noch immer ! Aber auch hierzu würde ich mich freuen, wenn man mir noch einen tipp geben könnte. Gruß Jan :-) Jan Tappenbeck schrieb: Moin ! ich bastel gerade an

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