Re: [Talk-us] gunnison national forest not being rendered

2019-03-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Have you tried loading affected relation in JOSM and running validator? It often spots important problems. If you want to do it but gave no idea how to do it, let us know and I will explain it in detail. Mar 3, 2019, 12:15 AM by bradha...@fastmail.com: > Help me understand why Gunnison NF is

[talk-ph] Thinking Machines' analysis of Metro Manila building completeness

2019-03-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
For Open Data Day, Thinking Machines (a Philippine data science services company)[1] did an analysis of building completeness in the Greater Manila Area.[2] They promise to put out a blog post soon to provide details of their analysis and presumably their methodology. Note: the DATOS project of

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Greg Troxel
Mateusz Konieczny writes: > Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f...@zz.de: > >> In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up >> when defended or enforced in court. Once you stop doing so you >> might loose your protection. >> > AFAIK risk of losing protection is frequently overstated

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 7:45 PM Tim Elrick, wrote: > Just my two cents here. There are plenty of others doing so, too (me included, though I'll happily deduct a cent for being non-Canadian, so before you know it, you've got a whole dollar. "Many hands make light work," though I agree that

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread Tim Elrick
Hi Steve, As for Montreal: We will create an import plan on the wiki as soon as we have expanded the discussion about the Montreal import from our local face-to-face group to the Montreal OSM list and agreed on importing. Before we do this, we wanted to test the feasibility of the

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread Tim Elrick
Hi everyone, Thanks John for pointing out the new dataset! Steve, John just indicated that there is this new dataset available now. I am confident, that after our discussion on importing building footprints in Canada, the OSMappers who want to go forward with it, will provide the information

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
Please read Tim's comments below I suspect he meant to cc talk-ca. My thoughts run along the same lines as Tim's basically local groups have to look at what is available then decide for themselves how they wish to proceed. We have some experience in the import process available but I think it

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
John, these aren't my fish to fry; this endeavor belongs primarily to Canadian OSM volunteers with optimistic attitudes who have the courage to envision a finish line of mighty and pride-inspiring results into existence. Being encouraging, my feeling is it IS possible to reach consensus across

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
>More discussion often yields consensus. Feel free to lead the discussion and gain consensus. My feeling is it will not be possible to reach one across Canada. Good Luck Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
I would concur in general but any import needs the agreement of local mappers and I think we have to define who they are first. Cheerio John Danny McDonald wrote on 2019-03-02 7:23 PM: Just looking at the data for some random areas, it looks like the quality is comparable to hand-drawn

Re: [Talk-us] gunnison national forest not being rendered

2019-03-02 Thread Clifford Snow
I'm not sure it's tagged correctly. boundary:type=protected_area, should be boundary=protected_area. Although I do see boundary:type in use. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area See https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1399218#map=9/47.9660/-121.5472 for a

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread Danny McDonald
Just looking at the data for some random areas, it looks like the quality is comparable to hand-drawn buildings (but not as good as most municipal data). There are some weirdly rotated and sized buildings, as well as some missing buildings, there may be other problems in areas I haven't examined.

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Mar 2, 2019, at 3:47 PM, John Whelan wrote: > Two years ago a group of Toronto mappers submitted the City of Toronto Open > Data license to the LWG to see if it was acceptable. I assume they meant to > import things such as building outlines. I also assumed as I think others > did that

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread John Whelan
Two years ago a group of Toronto mappers submitted the City of Toronto Open Data license to the LWG to see if it was acceptable.  I assume they meant to import things such as building outlines.  I also assumed as I think others did that this meant Toronto mappers were happy to import the City

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
No, I am not planning to import these. However, your notification that the data are available seems to be encouraging the data to BE imported into OSM. Of course, there is a "more correct" way to do that. Perhaps I might encourage you to sharpen up your intention for notifying talk-ca of the

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread James
M$ released data as ODbL so pretty sure license is compatible On Sat., Mar. 2, 2019, 5:27 p.m. OSM Volunteer stevea, < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > A responsible complement to this would be a link to license information, a > wiki page about these data, and perhaps an Import Plan

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
Why are you planning to import it? Cheerio John On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 5:26 PM OSM Volunteer stevea, < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > A responsible complement to this would be a link to license information, a > wiki page about these data, and perhaps an Import Plan should those data >

Re: [Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
A responsible complement to this would be a link to license information, a wiki page about these data, and perhaps an Import Plan should those data actually be asserted to be worthy of being responsibly imported into OSM. SteveA California > On Mar 2, 2019, at 2:17 PM, john whelan wrote: > >

[Talk-ca] Microsoft has released its building outlines for Canada

2019-03-02 Thread john whelan
https://github.com/Microsoft/CanadianBuildingFootprints So now there are two Open Data sources for building outlines in Canada. Cheerio John ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca

[OSM-talk-ie] Integrating OSM Data and MediaWiki

2019-03-02 Thread Killyfole and District Development Association
Hi List, So we have the amazing resource townlands.ie, which displays townland data from OSM nicely on a easy to navigate website. But I have been approached many times about adding additional data to OSM for research purposes and to display it on townlands.ie For example, census population

Wochennotiz Nr. 449 19.02.2019–25.02.2019

2019-03-02 Thread Wochennotizteam
Hallo, die Wochennotiz Nr. 449 mit vielen wichtigen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/blog/2019/03/wochennotiz-nr-449/ Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz einreichen könnt, ohne Mitglied zu sein? Einfach auf

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Stefan Keller
I'm happy there's ODbL. If we would have PD/CC0, we probably would have a farce discussion, standing helpless to license violators. Having said this, I'm proactively supporting the use of OSM of startups and companies, as well as in open source, government and research. Richard had a clear

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ça veut dire quoi ça :

2019-03-02 Thread Christian Rogel
> Le 2 mars 2019 à 16:14, OSMDoudou > <19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> a écrit : > > Concernant le mot de passe, il y a un avetissement clair lors de > l’inscription: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr. > > Bounce mail sont des situations d’erreur rencontrées par

Re: [talk-latam] [HOT] Activation - #5792 - Ayuda Venezuela 1: Barranquilla Buildings

2019-03-02 Thread Juan Jose Iglesias
Really? Barranquilla for Venezuelan Refugees? Not Cucuta, Pamplona or Bucaramanga or surrounding areas? Will Colombia move around 700 kms North all the these people mainly crossing from San Cristobal to Cucuta Border? When the primary destination of all this forced migrants is Ecuador and

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Simon Poole
Am 02.03.2019 um 17:09 schrieb Ineiev: > Why OSMF? the copyright holders are still the individual mappers---unless > their copyright is transferred to someone else specifically. > Any rights that you might have in your contributions remain yours and there is no copyright assignment, as you may

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Simon Poole
Am 02.03.2019 um 14:05 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f...@zz.de: > > Yes - we talk nicely - but in > the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the > first > question i had when we talked about relicensing. > > There is a big gap between

[talk-latam] [HOT] Activation - #5792 - Ayuda Venezuela 1: Barranquilla Buildings

2019-03-02 Thread Adrien André via talk-latam
Good afternoon, for your information, you will find below a Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Task about Venezuela & Colombia. Regards, Adrien Message transféré Sujet : [HOT] Activation - #5792 - Ayuda Venezuela 1: Barranquilla Buildings Date : Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:19:55

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Simon Poole
Am 02.03.2019 um 16:13 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > > In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up > when defended or enforced in court. Once you stop doing so you > might loose your protection. This is nonsense as Mateusz has already pointed out and is not even true for

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 11:09:58AM -0500, Ineiev wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > > So when relicensing the ultimate consequence is that you need to defend > > your license - and thats was my first question. Is the OSMF willing > > to

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Taguer une fourrière ?

2019-03-02 Thread althio
Rien trouvé dans le wiki, et seulement quelques usages dans la base, pas encore significatif : https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=vehicle_impound https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=tow_pound https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=car_pound Ou parfois une

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Ineiev
Hello, On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 04:13:12PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > So when relicensing the ultimate consequence is that you need to defend > your license - and thats was my first question. Is the OSMF willing > to enforce the license? Why OSMF? the copyright holders are still the

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 2, 2019, 4:13 PM by f...@zz.de: > > Hi, > > On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by >> f...@zz.de >> : >> >> > Yes - we talk nicely - but in >> > the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the

Re: [Talk-it] Dubbi da principiante per modificare tag

2019-03-02 Thread Paola via Talk-it
Va bene Alessandro! -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Italy-General-f5324174.html ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-us] Road name update challenges

2019-03-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 5:27 AM Mike N wrote: > On 3/1/2019 12:49 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > > One caution - when doing a building/address import a few years ago, we > > discovered errors in the counties address database. They had different > > street names from address street names. The

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 02:05:44PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f...@zz.de: > > > Yes - we talk nicely - but in > > the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the first > > question i had when we talked about relicensing. > > There is a big

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ça veut dire quoi ça :

2019-03-02 Thread OSMDoudou
Concernant le mot de passe, il y a un avetissement clair lors de l’inscription: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr. Bounce mail sont des situations d’erreur rencontrées par ton fournisseur de mail: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_message. Les raisons peuvent varier, comme

Re: [OSM-ja] 改定提案 - RFC - Proposed Japan tagging/Road types

2019-03-02 Thread 石野貴之
yumean1119です。 > hayashiさん 告知ありがとうございます。 > 皆様へ 私の提案したcycleway,living_streetのためhayashiさんの提案に関するスケジュールを遅らせる結果となって申し訳ない気持ちです。 明日以降にhayashiさんと協議して今後のスケジュールを決めたいと思いますので、報告をお待ちください。 石野 貴之(yumean1119) yumean1...@gmail.com ___ Talk-ja mailing list

[OSM-talk-fr] ça veut dire quoi ça :

2019-03-02 Thread ades
depuis mon dernier post (en janvier, je crois) je n’ai fait que consulter la liste. ça veut dire quoi ce mail : je cite (j’ai enlever mon mot de passe -en clair et les liens) : Votre abonnement à la liste Talk-fr a été désactivé suite à due to excessive bounces The last bounce received

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BAN(O): accompagnement des communes

2019-03-02 Thread Philippe Verdy
Le ven. 1 mars 2019 à 17:57, deuzeffe a écrit : > On 28/02/2019 12:25, Christian Quest wrote: > > Pour une commune ou un EPCI, si ils veulent que leurs données alimentent > > la BAN et soient les plus réutilisables possible, OSM n'est pas la > > solution (because ODbL) > > Ayé, tu m'as

[Talk-de] Intergeo 2019

2019-03-02 Thread Michael Reichert
Hallo, in den vergangenen Jahren war das OpenStreetMap-Projekt (meist über einen gemeinsamen Stand mit dem FOSSGIS e.V.) auf der Messe Intergeo vertreten. Die Intergeo ist eine Messe für Vermessung und GIS und findet jeden Herbst an einem anderen Ort in Deutschland statt (nächstes Mal in

Re: [Talk-us] Road name update challenges

2019-03-02 Thread Mike N
On 3/1/2019 12:49 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: One caution - when doing a building/address import a few years ago, we discovered errors in the counties address database. They had different street names from address street names. The street names matched the street signs but the addresses had a

Re: [Talk-us] Road name update challenges

2019-03-02 Thread Mike N
On 3/1/2019 10:09 AM, Aaron Forsythe wrote: >> 1. Original TIGER had Ruppe Dr at a nearby but incorrect location. This seems a common enough occurrence that a TIGER data should not be used as permanent source.  It's only there to get the map started and adjustments from TIGER are required.

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 2, 2019, 12:19 PM by f...@zz.de: > Yes - we talk nicely - but in > the end nobody is willing to drag them to court. And THAT was the first > question i had when we talked about relicensing. > There is a big gap between polite (and easily ignorable) messages and court. Have OSMF ever send a

[OSM-talk-fr] Taguer une fourrière ?

2019-03-02 Thread Cédric Frayssinet
Bonjour à tous, Savez-vous comment taguer une fourrière pour voitures, je n'ai pas trouvé d'infos sur le wiki ? Merci ! Cédric -- Dégooglisé ! - Sociétaire Enercoop , l'énergie militante Sur Mastodon

Re: [OSM-ja] 改定提案 - RFC - Proposed Japan tagging/Road types

2019-03-02 Thread yuu hayashi
hayashiです JapanTaggingから「Implies」欄を削除しました。 これにより「日本においてもImpliesはOSM標準の値が適用されるようにする」という私の提案趣旨がわかりやすくなったことと、 OSM標準側で発生する’Implies’の変更に自動的に追従できるからです。 さて議論進行のスケジュールについてですが、 1) 提案内容が変更になったことと、 2) 「cycleway」と「living_street」の議論が行われている ので、東京開始を延期します

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 08:42:52PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote: > > Am 01.03.2019 um 14:57 schrieb Florian Lohoff: > > ... > > So please either enforce the ODbL or relicense to CC0. > > ... > > It is not a surprise that you are asking that, but just consider what > the world would be like if we

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 1, 2019, 11:25 AM by si...@poole.ch: > > And specifically on the issue with Mapbox customers, one of the results > of the 2014 discussions was this statement by Mapbox > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/lxbarth/diary/21847 >

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] centre info retraite

2019-03-02 Thread Vincent Bergeot
Le 02/03/2019 à 10:51, Brice MALLET a écrit : Bonjour, Le 01/03/2019 à 19:38, Christian Rogel a écrit : Je penche également pour outreach qui convient parfaitement à l’idée d’une information mise au plus près des bénéficiaires et qui est un attribut trop peu connu. Egalement, deux exemples

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] centre info retraite

2019-03-02 Thread Brice MALLET
Bonjour, Le 01/03/2019 à 19:38, Christian Rogel a écrit : Je penche également pour outreach qui convient parfaitement à l’idée d’une information mise au plus près des bénéficiaires et qui est un attribut trop peu connu. Egalement, deux exemples proches :

Re: [OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

2019-03-02 Thread Warin
On 02/03/19 10:39, Simon Poole wrote: Am 01.03.2019 um 23:29 schrieb Stefan Keller: I applaud that the LWG is undertaking an effort to sure up our attribution guidance. IMO the sentence in question MUST be changed from "should" to MUST! The, rather old, issue with that, is that it stops